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  rjd_jr at 10:43 AM JST - 7th July

  Thing is adaydream and sarge, every year they keep saying the same thing, 'training the Iraqi's will take more time.....' What blows me away is how they seem to explain away everything with these simple few words, 'takes more time.'

  As I have been saying since the beginning, what exactly is so earth shatteringly hard about training these Iraqi's that it takes over 5 years and counting? The average American recruit straight off the street takes 14 weeks of training (infantry) to report to their unit, and in these times straight to the battle front where they are ready to patrol, do security ops, raids, etc. etc. etc.

  Come on people, this is not quantum physics, I think any ordinary person would question why it takes so darned long (and continues to take so darned long) for these Iraqi's to get with the program. Infantry tactics and security operations does not require a phD to master, nor does it take decades to learn. It is obvious that if it is taking this long and counting for the Iraqi forces to get with the program, they are either: a. mentally incompetent, b. incredibly unmotivated. My bet is with b.

  Now, unfortunately what has happened is that these Iraqi forces know that American troops' hands are tied, and they are stuck for a while in this mess. Therefore, they are content to collect their paychecks and do the minimal, which is basically nothing. What these unmotivated forces need is a shock and a kick in the pants, basically, for American troops to withdraw. This is the ONLY way they will understand the gravity of the situation and be forced to get with the program or else, no more handouts, no more backup.

  It's their country, let them fight and die for it.

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  USARonin at 11:00 AM JST - 7th July

  A.D.D., for several years now I've believed that someday a freer Iraq should build a tremendous monument akin to my nation's USMC Memorial dedicated to all the Iraqi police and police recruits who have been murdered while tryin' to stabilize their own country.

  They get murdered - very frequently execution-style - and still more come because they believe in a better post-Saddam Iraq.

  They deserve as much recognition as any of the Allied troops but I've never stumbled across any one or any piece that gives them the posthumous respect due them.

  Go ahead, A.D.D. At least you're free to ridicule them some more.

  USAR

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  adaydream at 12:43 PM JST - 7th July

  You got your war USARonin. You believed in your wonderful president and the lies he told you. Then he, in his onipotant wisdom, fired or jailed all the cops and soldiers. The very ones that could have helped in calming the masses.

  You want to justify more killings. Then be my guest.

  Now we're in the way. We're the occupiers. We're the ones who march down their streets, bombing their wedding parties and being as much the reason for not becoming good little boy and girl Iraqis like you thought they'd be.

  Oh maybe you like John McCain's plank of staying in Iraq you 100 years if somebody thinks we should. In this belief, the republicans will want to continue to be there more than 100 years. < :-)

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  USARonin at 12:58 PM JST - 7th July

  A.D.D., maybe I believed these guys:

  http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-Iraq.wmv

  Ya can't make this stuff up, A.D.D.

  But apparently you can dramatically make up this stuff: "We're the ones who march down their streets, bombing their wedding parties and being as much the reason for not becoming good little boy and girl Iraqis like you thought they'd be."

  A.D.D., you have to hate your country a whole lot to say stuff like this. -Which of course you're quite free to do.

  If there's any confusion, A.D.D., I'm not a member of any political party. I've so tee-totally pissed off the Republican Party in my state that they've told me to break off any contact with them. My local Dems don't like me any better.

  Good times all around, I'd say.

  USAR

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  Madverts at 09:08 PM JST - 7th July

  "Nearly over"

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  Madverts at 01:04 AM JST - 8th July

  And another 9 dead..."good times" indeed ramen.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7493782.stm

  I suppose they're just trying to influence US politics again.

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  adaydream at 02:36 AM JST - 8th July

  USARonin - I've seen your video before. There is only one little bitty problem. Some democrats may have believe in the WMD stuff. They didn't attack Iraq on guesses, lies, fabrications or photoshop pictures.

  But george bush did and the results were, NO WMD, NO NUCLEAR PROGRAM, NO YELLOWCAKE, NO SARIN GAS, NO DUAL USE VEHICLES. Nothing behind the claims. Find me where ther found anything USARonin.

  But we still occupy their land. We still walk their streets with armed weapons. We still are a target to insurgents. We still are a constant reminder to the Iraqi people that we put together lies upon lies to attack them.

  I'm glad you believed the video.

  I'm ashamed of the warrentless war actions of this country to attack and kill 100,000s of Iraqis for nothing. < :-)

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  USARonin at 03:06 AM JST - 8th July

  A.D.D., I think it's entirely appropriate and indicates your character when you can say, "I'm ashamed of the warrentless war actions of this country to attack and kill 100,000s of Iraqis for nothing. < :-)", and then add a smiley face with a dunce cap over it.

  It's hard to top what you do to yourself, mi amiga.

  USAR

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  adaydream at 03:53 AM JST - 8th July

  I guess you are very proud of the attack on Iraq.

  You still failed to tell me what was found. Of the lies told, what was found USARonin?

  Your response justifies my comment.

  I'm ashamed of the warrentless war actions of this country to attack and kill 100,000s of Iraqis for nothing.

  And your response of what they found.

  Don't disappoint me with some other republican dribble.

  What did they find USARonin? < :-)

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  peacetoismailha at 05:46 AM JST - 8th July

  US has two options. To continue its war and go bankrrupt or run home with its tails between their legs.

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  USARonin at 05:50 AM JST - 8th July

  PTM, there is no end to this "war on terror".

  It will go on, beyond your life and mine.

  Bankrupt? Heh, heh... not to worry.

  USAR

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  yabits at 06:00 AM JST - 8th July

  rjd jr writes:

  As I have been saying since the beginning, what exactly is so earth shatteringly hard about training these Iraqi's that it takes over 5 years and counting? The average American recruit straight off the street takes 14 weeks of training (infantry) to report to their unit, and in these times straight to the battle front where they are ready to patrol, do security ops, raids, etc. etc. etc.

  We note that Sarge was unable to respond to your impeccable logic.

  A July 3 article in the Christian Science Monitor (link below) interviewed a number of US troops in Iraq, all members of 1st Battalion, 64th Armor Regiment, and they are very doubtful if the Iraqis will ever want to step up in the numbers required to maintain stability. This is turning into a tragic farce. All people like this Sarge want to do is maintain their face and either pour money and lives down a rathole, or put the blame for the mess on someone else as we try to extract ourselves from it.

  http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0703/p01s04-wome.html

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  Sarge at 07:24 AM JST - 8th July

  "What exactly is so earth shatteringly hard about training these Iraqis that it takes over 5 years..."

  You really don't know, do you? Well, for one thing, Iraqis are divided mainly into Shiites and Sunnis and they've hated each other for a thousand years and they still don't get along... we got the Iranians giving aid and confort to the extremist wackos... Look it up.

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  RepublicofTexas at 11:13 AM JST - 8th July

  I agree, a lack of solidarity amongst Iraqis is contributing to the whole problem.

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  yabits at 07:11 PM JST - 8th July

  Sarge writes:

  You really don't know, do you? Well, for one thing, Iraqis are divided mainly into Shiites and Sunnis and they've hated each other for a thousand years and they still don't get along...

  And a few years under an American occupation and Shiite-run government is going to change all that? Wow. Just how dumb and downright deluded can some Americans be?

  we got the Iranians giving aid and confort to the extremist wackos.

  The problem is more of witnessing wackos giving aid and comfort to the Bush regime.

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