16-year-old boy stabs 22 at Pennsylvania school

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    MarkG

    Clearly a deviant can cause mass harm w/o a gun. Fortunately no deaths and sadly alter lives forever.

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    maxjapank

    Wounded, but no deaths. Says a lot about the type of weapon used. But sad to see this happen.

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    Strangerland

    Wow, lucky this kid didn't have a gun - how many would have died? This is essentially the control group that proves guns do kill when used by killers, and that without guns, less people will die.

    Removing access to guns is clearly the only logical solution to create a civilized society. The idea that access to guns is a freedom is propaganda flowing through the mouths of the brainwashed.

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    Pandabelle

    Accidents happen and removing freedoms is not the answer.

    This wasn't an accident. It was an attack, and if he had a gun he could have killed many.

    I'm glad I live in a country where every idiot who wants to go on a rampage can't just grab a gun and cause as much mayhem as possible.

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    Alphaape

    Removing access to guns is clearly the only logical solution to create a civilized society. The idea that access to guns is a freedom is propaganda flowing through the mouths of the brainwashed.

    And if someone like a principal or security guard on the campus would have had a gun, maybe this nut job could have been stopped sooner. Also, you do remember what happened about a month ago in Yunan, China where a muslim seperatist group attacked innoncent people at a train station and killed 29 people just using knives, or a few days after that in Hunan, China where this time a dispute between vendors resulted in 6 people killed from a stabbing spree.

    No matter what the weapon, if people on intent on killing they will kill. Just because this happened in America and the perp didn't use a gun that normally fits the so called "profile" of the violence in America, no need to try to deflect that it is not about the weapon, but the lunatic intent on killing.

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    FightingViking

    @MarkG

    Life is not perfect. Accidents happen and removing freedoms is not the answer

    What do you mean by "removing freedoms" ? Carry knives and/or guns to school is a "freedom" not to be "removed" ?

    You sound like a real pessimist ! If I understand rightly (according to you) to live the longest time without any problems one must be wrapped in cotton wool, maybe even live in a "bubble"... ?

    Just think of all the wonderful things you'd miss ! Life would be utterly boring ! I'm so happy I learned how to ski (I teach it now) ride horses, play tennis... (haven't yet been hit either by a racquet or a tennis ball..) I'm just glad I'm not your wife !

  • -1

    kcjapan

    Somehow, another disturbed child in America found opportunity to express whatever rage lacerating fellow Americans.

    That second amendment crowd is sure gone love this. Another chance to put guns in the hands of children for the NRA's freakish freedom worship.

    America, home of the free to slaughter each other, because the Constitution demands it?

    Or, maybe a vicious industry of weapon manufactures who own the government?

    This time knives, next time, and so many times before, guns.

    Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Another sick child chooses a weapon and twenty two lives are forever changed.

    Americans, they sure have an iron stomach for slaughter and not the guts to protect their children.

  • -3

    FizzBit

    Too much Walking Dead? Some people just snap. The more introverted, the more dangerous.

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    Pandabelle

    China where a muslim seperatist group attacked innoncent people at a train station and killed 29 people just using knives

    You have to go all the way around the globe to find an example of mass killings with a knife, but you can go in any state in the US and find recent examples of mass killings with guns. Heck, a lot of gun homicides don't even make the news in major US cities, they're just too common.

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    Noliving

    Wow, lucky this kid didn't have a gun - how many would have died? This is essentially the control group that proves guns do kill when used by killers, and that without guns, less people will die.

    Who says there would be deaths? Last September 13 people were shot in Chicago in a single incident and no one died, during the mother's day parade last year in New Orleans over 15+ people were shot in a single incident and no one died. Do those shooting incidents act as a control group? All objects can and will kill when used by someone with a murderous intent.

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    Alphaape

    Or, maybe a vicious industry of weapon manufactures who own the government?

    One of the most popular guns glamorized in the so called "gangsta" videos is a Glock 9mm. This gun was designed and named after Mr. Glock who is an Austrian, and Austria is the primary producer of the gun. So much for him owning the US Government.

    You have to go all the way around the globe to find an example of mass killings with a knife, but you can go in any state in the US and find recent examples of mass killings with guns.

    So you prefer people to be massed killed by guns in the USA just to prove your point? I don't. The incidents of mass shootings even though they do make the news are not as common as one believes. However, if you were to study crime reports from various cities, you will see that people are killing each other with a vairety of weapons from knives to fists.

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    bruinfan

    Good thing no one was killed.

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    DaveAllTogether

    No matter what the weapon, if people on intent on killing they will kill. Just because this happened in America and the perp didn't use a gun that normally fits the so called "profile" of the violence in America, no need to try to deflect that it is not about the weapon, but the lunatic intent on killing.

    It is amazing how someone calmly points out a fact that runs contrary to commonly accepted thought and he gets down-voted.

    In the Marines I was taught that deadly force is "That force which a person using which a person knows or should know would create a substantial risk of causing death or serious bodily harm" No where in that definition does it say anything about a gun. Like the Drill Instructor said in Full Metal Jacket it is a hard heart that kills.

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    Triumvere

    Funny. For an article that contains no mention of guns, there sure is a lot of talk about them in the discussion; it's the usual dance, of course - each side coming away as convinced of their own righteousness as they came in.

    Personally, I'm thinking about those sasumata-style mancatchers they keep in the teachers' room at Japanese schools. Always thought they were rather silly... Now I'm thinking I may need to reevaluate that opinion.

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    Alphaape

    This whole incident reminds me of the latest episode of the Fos show "The Following" for season 2. Joe Caroll's cult are going about NYC and other locations on stabbing sprees killing people. I am sure that when they delve into this kids mind, they will try to place some of the blame on this show and it's influence on him. That may be true to a point, but I would also bet that the reason why he felt he may have needed to copy-cat the show was the fact that he probably was on some type of drug for his supposed mental condition. If you peel back the onion on most of the mass killings in the US, you will find that all of them were on some type of anti-depressant or some other mental medication. That is the bigger issue, not so much gun control (since guns were not used in this case) or the effects of TV (the following is in its second season and we have not seen mass stabbings from viewers watching the first season).

    More powerful than the NRA, the big pharmacutecal lobby will try to pin this on TV and not their products.

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    Triumvere

    If you peel back the onion on most of the mass killings in the US, you will find that all of them were on some type of anti-depressant or some other mental medication.

    ...correlation equals causation, then?

    I mean, is it really surprising that mass killers would by in large be drawn from the subset of the population which might require such medication?

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    kcjapan

    Always the same questions: Why did a sixteen year old child slash his classmates? How was it possible for him to imagine such destruction? How long will America be awash in domestic violence they seem unable, unwilling and incomprehensibly powerless to stop?

    Cry gun, cry knife, cry fertilizer bomb the never ending slaughter feeds slaughter and the American seems dominated by political paralysis.

    Another loss, innocent children forever disfigured, their teachers helpless and the international is not surprised that some will urge more guns.

    Comical, destructive and anesthetizing: The sleep of those who cannot wake to their own slaughter because it would be too painful to answer the questions that terrorize their children and the rest of the world, but they have been at it for years, so even death seems normal in their schools.

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    Noliving

    You have to go all the way around the globe to find an example of mass killings with a knife,

    Ah five people were stabbed to death in Brooklyn last October:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/27/justice/new-york-mass-stabbing/

    Plus lets say what you said was true that wouldn't be surprising considering the US really only borders two countries, one of which has a population just above 30 million.

    but you can go in any state in the US and find recent examples of mass killings with guns. Heck, a lot of gun homicides don't even make the news in major US cities, they're just too common.

    In the past ~25 years about 26 states have had a mass killing with any weapon type. So I would say there is an exaggeration there.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listoframpagekillers:Americas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listoframpagekillers:Schoolmassacres http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listoframpagekillers:Workplacekillings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListoffamilicidesintheUnitedStates

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  • 1

    John Galt

    Didn't anyone tell the kid that it was a violence-free zone and that it's illegal to slash, stab, or otherwise assault others?

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    Octagon

    Also, a girl with “an amazing amount of composure” applied pressure to a schoolmate’s wounds and probably kept the victim from bleeding to death, said Dr. Mark Rubino at Forbes Regional Medical Center.

    She has saved her fellow students lives with first aid. Obama daughters are fortunate enough for having security guards at school. However her daddy is not Obama.

    In US, soldier is killing fellow soldiers. Student is killing fellow students. Movie goer is killing fellow movie goers. She is someone special for the land of the mass killing field. She should be honored for her bravery and selflessness.

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    Alphaape

    the Fos show

    Correction, that should be "Fox." But this incident seems eerily similar to what has been going on in the show "The Following." I hope that this will not lead to more people copy catting the show and this kid and start going on stabbing sprees.

    I know people like ot blame the media, it is not all their fault, but they do play a factor. You see the same thing with the types of crimes committed here in Japan from people who follow the magna characters too closely, and some of their crimes committed.

  • 0

    isoducky

    The best thing is they caught him alive. They can question him and try find out why their is a subset of teenagers who feel the need to kill their peers and anyone else.

  • 1

    OldHawk

    @Strangerland:

    This is essentially the control group that proves guns do kill when used by killers, and that without guns, less people will die.

    No, this is the control group that proves those with intent will use any weapon they can get. As I've always said, concentrate on recognizing the type of person that commits these crimes, and you'll never have to worry about weapons among the civilian population again.

    Removing access to guns is clearly the only logical solution to create a civilized society.

    This instigator in this event didn't have access to guns and he wasn't civilized at all, was he?

  • -1

    Strangerland

    this is the control group that proves those with intent will use any weapon they can get.

    Exactly. And this shows that with guns, many die, with knives, many don't. It's nice to see that you agree.

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    John Galt

    OldHawk, the point that those intent on doing harm to others, by any means available, is lost on the willfully blind. Such persons would prefer to live in a fully Orwellian world, and force others to as well.

    This young man had evil intent, and no law nor weapon-free zone designation would stop him.

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    Gem Ofa Person

    The human mind is capable of anything and it is also easy to make it go psychotic under the right conditions. The environment we grow up in including our parents has a big effect on how we turn out. All of the fault is not on the kid but the society at large.

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    Yardley

    There is something deeply, deeply wrong with a society in which this kind of mass attack keeps happening. The challenge is to find out what that is and try to fix it. I know my parents' generation didn't have these kinds of events. I know the answer is complex, and there is not just one thing we can point to and say, "That's it. That's why these things keep happening," but I sure wish there were. It makes me feel sad, sick and a bit hopeless.

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    mukashiyokatta

    Need to check for use of multiple pharmaceutical drugs.

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    bass4funk

    Wounded, but no deaths. Says a lot about the type of weapon used. But sad to see this happen.

    Well, the point is, gun or not, it is completely irrelevant. If a person really wants to do bodily harm, regardless what that weapon is, severe injury is severe injury, it's about the people wielding these weapons.

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    Strangerland

    You really think people are going to die at the same rate in stabbings as in shootings? I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but then again your comments are making that hard.

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    kcjapan

    "it's about the people wielding these weapons."

    Finally, something everyone agrees on. A divergent point seems to be harm at arm's length or harm at 45-60 rpm. A difference some fine irrelevant. The divergence seems on either potential or actual danger and neither point is agreed upon. Hence, all the wasted words.

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    Wolfpack

    What do you mean by "removing freedoms" ? Carry knives and/or guns to school is a "freedom" not to be "removed" ?

    Weapons are already illegal in schools. Banning them everywhere else isn't a rational solution.

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    Strangerland

    It's rational if you're not a barbarian.

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    OldHawk

    No. If that were true, then house to house searches would be being performed to find drugs.

    You're making my point about the irrational and ineffective concept of outright bans.

    No. Most people are law abiding citizens and will follow the law, even if they don't agree with it. And foundries making guns will be like labs making meth - the police will deal with them as they find them.

    But considering that guns would soon become very scarce as law abiding citizens turned in their guns,

    See: Connecticut.

    Also, how would you get law-abiding citizens to turn in their guns if you're not going to do house-to-house searches? (You really think that free people cannot recognize a bad law?)

    Not as long as that society allows everyone to arm themselves it isn't.

    If it weren't for being able to arm myself, I would have died at the hands of a junkie mugger back in '99. How civilized is that?

    Looking at other countries shows this to be incorrect.

    July 22, 2011: Confessed mass killer Anders Behring Breivik kills 77 in Norway in twin attacks: a bombing in downtown Oslo and a shooting massacre at a youth camp outside the capital. The self-styled anti-Muslim militant admitted both attacks.

    April 30, 2009: Farda Gadyrov, 29, enters the prestigious Azerbaijan State Oil Academy in the capital, Baku, armed with an automatic pistol and clips. He kills 12 people before killing himself as police close in.

    Sept. 23, 2008: Matti Saari, 22, walks into a vocational college in Kauhajoki, Finland, and opens fire, killing 10 people and burning their bodies with firebombs before shooting himself fatally in the head.

    Nov. 7, 2007: After revealing plans for his attack in YouTube postings, 18-year-old Pekka-Eric Auvinen fires kills eight people at his high school in Tuusula, Finland.

    April 26, 2002: Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, who had been expelled from school in Erfurt, Germany, kills 13 teachers, two former classmates and policeman, before committing suicide.

    April 28, 1996: Martin Bryant, 29, bursts into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he kills 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned.

    March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and then kills himself.

    Dec. 6, 1989: Marc Lepine, 25, bursts into Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique college, shooting at women he encounters, killing nine and then himself. (That's in Canada eh.)

    Aug. 19, 1987: Michael Ryan, 27, kills 16 people in small market town of Hungerford, England, and then shoots himself dead after being cornered by police.

    You were saying?

    No, trying to justify a populace that can walk around and shoot anyone they want in the face at any time is barbaric

    Strawman. But it's an excellent indicator of your distorted prejudice against legally armed citizens.

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    Castle Doctrine

    Assistant Principal Sam King=hero

    I hope everyone recovers.

    The rampage — which came after decades in which U.S. schools geared much of their emergency planning toward mass shootings, not stabbings

    Cut and paste directly from the article and its there for good reason.

    Yes we need to take knives seriously too, but not go overboard. Recently a high school student was severely disciplined for having a knife in his EMT kit in his car in the parking lot. We need knives to cut things like seat belts, rope and food. Can't really have a cooking course without knives around.

    And I think this is probably a chef's knife or carving knife, not just a kitchen knife, which would include cleavers.

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    Strangerland

    You're making my point about the irrational and ineffective concept of outright bans.

    No I'm not, I'm refuting your point that banning guns would result in house-to-house searches. This is obviously not true, as other illegal items have not resulted in house-to-houses searches.

    See: Connecticut.

    Make your own arguments. If there is something you want me to see, show it.

    Also, how would you get law-abiding citizens to turn in their guns if you're not going to do house-to-house searches? (You really think that free people cannot recognize a bad law?)

    Most people are law abiding citizens, and will choose to do so, even under a law they don't agree with. The huge majority of people would turn in their guns if they became illegal, though they may do so grudgingly. People for the most part want to stay in compliance with the law, and do not want to risk jail time.

    If it weren't for being able to arm myself, I would have died at the hands of a junkie mugger back in '99. How civilized is that?

    And if you weren't allowed to arm yourself, 20 children and 8 adults wouldn't have died at Newton in 2012.

    Looking at other countries shows this to be incorrect.

    July 22, 2011: Confessed mass killer Anders Behring Breivik kills 77 in Norway in twin attacks: a bombing in downtown Oslo and a shooting massacre at a youth camp outside the capital. The self-styled anti-Muslim militant admitted both attacks.

    April 30, 2009: Farda Gadyrov, 29, enters the prestigious Azerbaijan State Oil Academy in the capital, Baku, armed with an automatic pistol and clips. He kills 12 people before killing himself as police close in.

    ...

    So you found a few examples spreading back to 1987. We could find near as many, if not as many, examples in your country alone this year. Compared to a few you found for the rest of the world in the past 27 years. Thank you for proving my point.

    Strawman.

    It's not a strawman. Any of you can be shot in the face at any time by people holding legally armed guns - while shopping, while going to school, while sitting in the park. What you call a strawman is the reality that you would rather bury your head in the sand and ignore than admit.

    But it's an excellent indicator of your distorted prejudice against legally armed citizens.

    I have a prejudice against idiocy when it means that people die. I have a prejudice against people who are too selfish to give up something for the greater good of their people, due to selfish self-delusion that they are more important than the safety of society as a whole. So yes, I do have a prejudice against legally armed citizens, particularly the ones who shoot children in the face.

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    Castle Doctrine

    Weapons are already illegal in schools.

    Hilarious! Pretty much every place around the schools they are legal. That means the ban can have only so much effect. I come from a dry county, so no alcohol sales there. But its surrounded by counties selling alcohol, so guess what? Plenty of alcohol to be found in my county.

    Japan is an island nation with strict weapons laws. Japan is not surrounded by weapons. Its surrounded by water. So guess what? The rules are extremely effective, even the rules on certain kinds of knives. Yes, America shares a long border with Canada, but Canada has strict rules, so not nearly the problems of America and I cannot see Canadian weapons being smuggled into America so much. America also shares a border with Mexico. That is where the real problem will be, but its just one border. The rest is ocean.

    America can and should get its weapons situation under control. It would lower the murder rate by removing the tools of murder. It would also be a good step toward dismantling the culture of glorifying violence, not to mention glorifying the tools of violence. I often hear talk about addressing mental illness. Well guess what? America's violence culture is giving the mentally ill lots of violent ideas!

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    kcjapan

    "America can and should get its weapons situation under control. . . America's violence culture is giving the mentally ill lots of violent ideas!" - entire paragraph says more than the entire string, well done.

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    Noliving

    But its surrounded by counties selling alcohol, so guess what? Plenty of alcohol to be found in my county.

    Considering the people of your county are willing to purchase alcohol than perhaps its time for the county to reconsider its ban.

    America can and should get its weapons situation under control.

    One could argue that it is, homicides are down around 50%, gun homicides are down 50% since 1994 and non-fatal gun assaults are down 69%. Since 2007/8 homicides are down nearly 20%.

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