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51 bodies found at northern Mexico dumping ground

World Jul. 25, 2010 - 06:10AM JST ( 16 )

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BeelzebubJul. 24, 2010 - 08:01AM JST

This news stories about the bloodthirsty exploits of the drug gangs need to be replaced with a digital indicator that counts down from Mexico's current population.
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rajakumarJul. 24, 2010 - 02:57PM JST

News like these,will prevent tourists from going to Mexico.
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rajakumarJul. 24, 2010 - 03:09PM JST

Tourist visitors to Mexico, has dropped from 22.6 million in 2008 to 21.5 million in 2009,due to bad news like these.
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jruaustraliaJul. 24, 2010 - 06:32PM JST

Tourist visitors to Mexico, has dropped from 22.6 million in 2008 to 21.5 million in 2009,due to bad news like these

I don't think they care now ./sigh I reckon they're earning more money dumping drugs across the border, and the State Dep't don't mind pouring money to Mexico for the sake of a phony drug war. It really is a win/win situation :)
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elbudamexicanoJul. 24, 2010 - 10:46PM JST

Places like Acapulco before mostly living on tourism, now Mexico has so much money from DRUGS, the mafias could care less if the country has less tourists. Sadly, regular, hard working Mexicans are hurt by less tourists, while the mafias are making money hand over fist to try and satisfy the American drug appetite.
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jruaustraliaJul. 24, 2010 - 11:22PM JST

Places like Acapulco before mostly living on tourism, now Mexico has so much money from DRUGS, the mafias could care less if the country has less tourists.

Agree, elbud, would you believe the State Dep't has now appealed to the Australian (and Philippino) people to help fight Mexican drug-traffickers.... Yep, it's rather sad that in the 21st century illegal narcotics-- not trade-- resurrected the Manila-Acapulco route :(
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BeelzebubJul. 25, 2010 - 08:37AM JST

I'm beginning to believe that el Diablo has actually taken control of Mexico. These drug gangs are becoming the Khmer Rouge of Latin America.
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ScroteJul. 25, 2010 - 11:24AM JST

The only solution is for western governments to provide free or cheap drugs to addicts. This will remove most of the money from the gangs, making the drug business far less attractive. Penalties for trafficking and dealing can remain the same, or be increased, tipping the risk/reward balance in favour of the state.

Free access to drugs also stops addicts committing crimes to fund their habits, leading to savings in prison and policing budgets.

It amazes me that so many governments still have their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge that they cannot win the drugs "war" with the occasional drugs bust. Meanwhile, all the nasty swines are getting rich and destabilising countries around the world.
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YongYangJul. 25, 2010 - 11:50AM JST

What a travesty for Mexico. Civil War, essentially. Get everyone 'good' out, send the army in.
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TheQuestionJul. 25, 2010 - 12:27PM JST

The only solution is for western governments to provide free or cheap drugs to addicts.

Only solution? Hardly. There are a variety of things one can do to mitigate the drug problem. Most officials simply don't have the stomach for it.
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jruaustraliaJul. 26, 2010 - 12:32AM JST

There are a variety of things one can do to mitigate the drug problem. Most officials simply don't have the stomach for it.

So what's your alternative?
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TheQuestionJul. 26, 2010 - 03:43AM JST

So what's your alternative?

You could make drug use a capital offence, the drugs could be legalized and taxed, the U.S could charge through drug producing countries and destroy the drug crops themselves (via fungus or chemical agents), sanctions could be levied against nations that produce drugs until they handle the problem, I could also make a case for intentionally tainting the drugs to kill. All you'd need to do is capture a large shipment of cocaine or heroin, lace it with cyanide or chlorine, and allow it to be distributed as normal. Nips the addict problem in the bud and reduces demand for the product substantially.
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jruaustraliaJul. 26, 2010 - 05:36AM JST

You could make drug use a capital offence, the drugs could be legalized and taxed, the U.S could charge through drug producing countries and destroy the drug crops themselves (via fungus or chemical agents), sanctions could be levied against nations that produce drugs until they handle the problem

First off, I'm against legalization of drugs, full stop.

Going back to the topic-- there's no possible way that the cartels themselves are sustaining the economies of violence-affected areas, yet we're hearing reports that the cartels have effectively taken over some parts of Mexico's north...

This clearly shows despondency on the part of Calderon's drug war. And as you know in the past few months, Mexican drugs have found its way into Asian shores-- from the ports of Taiwan to the suburbs of Sydney :(

So their problem will ultimately be our region's problem too in the coming years.

As for solutions, I'd start with a comprehensive agrarian reform for Mexico's landless poor. (As I see it-- there really is no difference between multi-million dollar cartels and maoist-type private armies).

I'd hit 'em where it hurts and that's public support.

I could also make a case for intentionally tainting the drugs to kill. All you'd need to do is capture a large shipment of cocaine or heroin, lace it with cyanide or chlorine, and allow it to be distributed as normal. Nips the addict problem in the bud and reduces demand for the product substantially.

That as you know is called murder, but I wouldn't be surprise if they're actually doing that now by intentionally causing d.o. to users :(
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TheQuestionJul. 26, 2010 - 01:15PM JST

First off, I'm against legalization of drugs, full stop.

Why? While I live under the impression that those addicted to drugs become less than human and deserve no pity and even less support I wouldn't dream of depriving a person of the option of becoming an emotionless wretch of an addict.

As for solutions, I'd start with a comprehensive agrarian reform for Mexico's landless poor.

Two problems. First off, where the Mexican government is going to get the funds necessary to buy the land to give to the landless poor? Because there are precious few nations with the funds to sustain themselves let alone fund another countries agricultural experiment. Second, what makes you think these people will even want to farm? If all they wanted to do was make a living they probably would have jumped the fence over to the states like all the other illegal’s.

That as you know is called murder

You asked for alternatives, you didn't say they had to be within the realm of conventional legality and morality.
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jruaustraliaJul. 27, 2010 - 03:06AM JST

First off, where the Mexican government is going to get the funds necessary to buy the land to give to the landless poor?

No I don't see this as a problem. ('lemme guess you're an American more worried about sending your taxpayer's money elsewhere, no?)

Just in case you're forgetting the biggest IPO in history had been set this year by a rural bank so I'm not so pessimistic over funding. There would be some private monies eager to tap into Latin America's agricultural sector I'm sure, so I don' think this should be a question of public funding alone.

The biggest problem of course would be political will-- and as you know Calderon being a conservative, it'll be a huge political risk for the guy.... and he'd be alienating some of his own base if he'll move to the direction I'm advocating. But who knows?!

Second, what makes you think these people will even want to farm? If all they wanted to do was make a living they probably would have jumped the fence over to the states like all the other illegal’s.

mmmm... a hint of ignorance in my opinion considering most illegal workers from Mexico do work in agriculture. But consider this, if you're a Mexican with stable capital of your own--would you really want to go to the US illegally and work in some American farm?! MORE SO would communities still support the cartels, and risk their own lives, when a much decent alternative is on the card?

Again, I'd hit 'em where it hurts and that's public support.