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timorborder
Pretty sad story. As with military personnel, my heart always goes out to law enforcement officials who buy the farm in the line of duty. What a job, seeing things that would make weaker folk faint on a daily basis, then you have to also deal with long hours, loonies with guns and excessive strain on personal relationships.
My thoughts go out to the next of kin. RIP
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likeitis
Another awful story about guns in America. More dead cops who were just doing their jobs in a country full of people that insist on making it a far more dangerous profession than it has to be. I am sure plenty of those people will stop by and make a show of sympathy, and then go on to do not one thing or utter one word toward doing the things that could prevent all these repeats of gun murders in the U.S.A. A tear and an R.I.P., and then go wash their hands of it.
But, but, but...they had guns to defend themselves!
I guess its true that a gun is not much of a defense if someone with a gun gets the jump on you, which is 99 percent of the time despite what your hero pulled of in a Hollywood brainwashing film.
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Triumvere
Was cornering the guy at a shooting range really the best idea?
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nandakandamanda
“things got out of hand when he heard enough of her shouting at him,”
Sometimes women shouldn't shout at their partner.
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SuperLib
Who cares about the victims? Let's just debate gun control.
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AlffromWapping
Why so many killings in America. I'll tellk you why, too many bleeding guns and half the country taking drugs. Them poors sheriffs was doing their duty to their community and this happens because of stupid gun laws.
Ban all guns except for the old bill and the armed forces, bosh the murder rate falls straight away, bleeding obvious.
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Badsey
A shove to the face becomes 3 deaths.
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teleprompter
That hasn't been the case in the UK. Why would it magically become reality in America?
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SezWho2
I think that about the only thing we can do for the victims is to come to grips with gun control.
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SezWho2
teleprompter,
I think that when it comes to guns, the UK and the US are not at all comparable. A ban on guns in the US might not reduce the US murder rate. However, the experience of the UK is not very relevant.
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teleprompter
You're probably right.
We need look no further than the fatally counterproductive effect that D.C.'s gun ban had to highlight how disastrous are the misguided efforts by 'liberals' to deprive American citizens of the rights granted them by the 2nd Amendment.
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Helter_Skelter
So true. There was gun ban in Washington D.C. for twenty-plus years, and it had one of the highest gun homicide rate in the country. They just recently rescinded the ban, and I wouldn't be surprised if the homicide rate goes down.
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teleprompter
Yeah, but that is just a boring little fact. And facts are troublesome for the 'reality-based' comunity.
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likeitis
I seem to remember posting a link to those statistics an information not so long ago.
In fact the ban was 32 years old, passed in the mid-seventies. For ten years of the ban murder rates were stable. Then, as crack-cocaine hit the streets in the mid to late 80s, it rose until D.C. became murder capital of America in the 90s. As the crack epidemic subsided, so did murder rates. Nothing much to do with the handgun ban, unless you believe the combination of mass use of crack cocaine plus the mass ownership of handguns would produce a low murder rate. Personally, I am thinking that all the rifles and shotguns in D.C. would be more than adequate to do the job if so. They did not.
The murder rate of D.C. is now back to what it was before crack. And this occured BEFORE the lifting of the ban, so obviously, the trends are not related. So no matter what happens, be surprised.
But I am sure that those who do not care at all about the lives of people, but care very much about their guns, will conveniently forget all that being as their consciences leak like sieves.
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likeitis
A little pre-emptive. At the time of your post, there was no debate.
But, we both knew it was coming. So I say to you that, in fact, the people who truly do not care about the victims are all opposed to gun control. (That is not to say all opposed don't care though.) So look around you. There are some very selfish, fallicious and frankly evil people in the anti-gun control camp. Some here would fit that bill I think.
On the pro-gun control side, the only people who don't care about the victims are concerned about themselves and their families. And they may or may not like guns. The difference is that they are not blindly in love with them.
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SezWho2
We almost always need to look further than a single factoid. The Washington D.C. data is classic post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy absent proof that there is a causal relationship.
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likeitis
It is sad the lies and bullcrap spread on this board have such complicated terms to define them. It only makes it more difficult to identify the lies and the bullcrap.
But thank you SezWho2 for precisely identifying a significant part of that particular stinker.
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teleprompter
Moving from supposedly unrelated "factoids" (hardly isolated, I could furnish examples from the UK) unsettling to proponents of gun control to equally misguided "liberal" efforts called rent control we find the same curious effect - gov't restricting something the market and a free people can much more effectively regulate often produces an outcome completely opposite to the one intended: Among the nation's major metropolises New York and S.F. have the strictest rent control.
And not surprisingly the two cities in the nation with the highest rents have become - New York and San Francisco.
Detecting a pattern yet?
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Helter_Skelter
Likeitis, stricter gun control does not correlate to lower gun homicide rates. Deal with it.
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SezWho2
teleprompter,
The only pattern which I am yet detecting is your tendency to use irrelevant data and to omit a showing of causality for the data you cite.
Your latest foray into rent control entirely neglects why New York and San Fransisco have high rents. Among other reasons you might consider the inflationary effect of foreign capital:
http://dc.urbanturf.com/articles/newstrends/dchas4thhighestmedianrentsincountry/
I get it that you don't like government control. However, it is the function of the federal government to control problems which the states and the people have been unsuccessful in controlling on their own. Of course, if you don't think gun deaths are a problem, then your rejection of federal intervention makes more sense.
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likeitis
Helter_Skelter: Likeitis, stricter gun control does not correlate to lower gun homicide rates.
Where did I say it did?
What I advocate is smarter gun control methods. Unregistered guns in the hands of unlicensed users is STUPID no matter how strict you get about it.
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