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SuperLib
We shouldn't forget about the innocents that Canada has killed in the war.
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Good_Jorb
Indeed. It's a shame they are fighting a battle that is not theirs, for the freedom of a people that don't seem want the same type of freedom.
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thundercat
Suberlib, how can we forget something that hasn't happened?
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smithinjapan
SuperLib: "We shouldn't forget about the innocents that Canada has killed in the war."
It's a shame that you would take the deaths of these men as an opportunity to pathetically strike back for justified criticism of your own military's conduct (in a number of cases). It's even more shameful since there are no cases of what you claim... or maybe you know of so much more than we all do. For now, all you've done is proven that there is little legitimacy and validity to your posting.
Canada should get out of there... they didn't start it, and have already lost too many people (including through friendly fire and bombings by US troops), and things are only getting worse.
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SuperLib
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/29/asia/29afghan.php
"KABUL, Afghanistan: Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan opened fire on a speeding car, which they feared was about to attack their convoy, and killed a 2-year-old boy and his 4-year-old sister, officials said Monday."
That took me all of 2 seconds to find.
If you're Canadian you'd know about it, I'm sure. It's not like Canadians walk around with some inflated sense of superiority all because their atrocities are overlooked by the media. That would be absurd.
In short, Canada can't force democracy through the barrel of a gun. When Canadian soldiers kill innocent children they create more terrorists. They went into Afghanistan with guns blazing and naturally people are going to fight back against the invaders.
Wow, this stuff practically writes itself.
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ANOTSUSAGAMI
SuperLib-It's tragic that the kids died, but what does that have to do with these guys in the article? Do you have proof that the Canadian soldiers who died killed those kids? If so, only then would your post be valid. I don't think you do. You don't even know if these particular teams killed ANYONE. By your logic we shouldn't mourn the passing of our troops or police officers because people wearing the same uniforms have killed innocents. "Sorry Officer John, SuperLib says we can't mourn your passing because other officers you've never met or had any control over killed some innocent people." Your post is irrelevant and malicious. Again, its sad the children died, but the car was speeding in the first place. That itself is dangerous, with kids in the car it's just idiotic. I put some of the blame on the driver who should have been more mindful of his/her precious cargo.
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smithinjapan
Anotsusagami: SuperLib is just an angry individual -- he was lied to by his government and bought into it hook, line, and sinker, and still can't admit to this day he was wrong in supporting it. Oddly enough, unlike in cases like Haditha or Blackwater when it's perfectly logical to question the actions of US troops, he for some reason takes the deaths of PEACEKEEPERS to misdirect some deeply ingrained frustrations.
Seriously, SuperLib, your 'argument', which has nothing at all to do with the thread, is very, very pathetic. I could sit here and rip apart every line of your 'argument' but it would be pointless -- you came on a thread about the death of four peace keepers to immaturely snap at people who questioned the action of the US military in cases where they murdered innocents. I mean... do I really need to point out how stupid it is to say 'Canada went into Afghanistan with guns blazing'? All you've accomplished here is to spit on the graves of your own fallen soldiers, my friend.
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SuperLib
I remember when soldiers would die and you'd say that it's time to order a new casket and "Made in China" flags.
Remember that, smith?
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Sarge
"they are fighting a battle that is not theirs"
Of course - a free Afghanistan is of no value to Canada.
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bebert
All I can say is that it is time for Canada to suck it up and send more troops.
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buddha4brains
And apparently it was of no value to the Bush administration either since they essentially left it on the back burner to go start another war.
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smithinjapan
SuperLib: "I remember when soldiers would die and you'd say that it's time to order a new casket and "Made in China" flags."
So what you're saying is that I was right in pointing out that war is futile and the US should not have rushed into Iraq -- for it was in reference to Iraq and not Afghanistan, and the fact that the war in Iraq should never have been launched. Only of course this is very, very different. What's more, you still haven't shown me where, like with the US in Iraq and Afghanistan, Canada went started the wars there. Now you're throwing out references to US coffins draped in flags made in China.
Yeah, I remember making comments along that vein, to point out the folly of your government sending kids off to a war said government created (Iraq) for oil, and having the kids sent home in cheap caskets with foreign made flags, and the media not being able to cover it. Those are all facts. Now, do you have a point? Is my anger at the US rushing into Iraq have something to do with these Canadian peacekeepers being killed by a bomb in Afghanistan? Do you even have a point?
As I said before, you are just angry that you were duped, and still have to defend bush's decisions despite knowing in your heart they were wrong to begin with.
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Sarge
"they essentially left it on the back burner"
Pffft! We've got far more troops in Afghanistan than any other country.
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smithinjapan
Again, it's really sad that some on here feel the need to laugh at four peacekeepers dying, regardless of their nationality, because they somehow feel it is 'getting back' at criticism of the past US administration for messing up in Afghanistan and Iraq. And hell, since they brought it up, those Canadians wouldn't have even been there if the aforementioned administration hadn't gone in and made the mess it did. So, I guess there's a slight link after all.
Anyway, superlib and some other posters are really proving their true and very sad colours on this thread. You've really gone downhill in the past couple of months since Obama took office, 'Lib, and today you proved you have zero credibility left. Congrats.
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Sarge
"those Canadians wouldn't have even been there if the aforementioned administration hadn't gone in and made the mess it did"
Oh, for cryin' out loud, smith, if the aforementioned administration hadn't gone in and liberated the place, Binny would still be prancing around there as he pleased instead of cowering in caves, the Taliban would still be in firm control of 95% of the country and we would have been hit with more terrorist attacks.
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Sarge
smith: "lash out at these dead soldiers? Even for you that's a little sadder than usual."
Q. Have I lashed out at the dead Canadian soldiers? A. No, I have not.
You should apologize.
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SuperLib
It has nothing to do with it at all. It's amazing the MODS even let your off-topic rants stay. Yet, there they are...
Well golly, I'm just pointing out how futile Canada is in Afghanistan. I guess my comments are OK now?
And I think it's important to bring up the civilian causalities at the hands of Canadians. An Afghan life is no more of less important than a Canadian life. Where was the media coverage for the two children killed?
What are you guys doing over there, anyway? 'We got trigger happy fingers, they got wrappings on they heads.. FIRE!"' Yeah, seems to fit into the typical mental retardation of the Canadian army. They could of course try to be more retarded, but every time I talk against the Canadian govn't I get chided on how great they are.
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smithinjapan
sarge: "You should apologize"
Oh, yes... you're right sarge: "Of course - a free Afghanistan is of no value to Canada."
You were clearly honouring the dead with your (off topic) statement above. I'll apologize after you do.
SuperLib: "It has nothing to do with it at all. It's amazing the MODS even let your off-topic rants stay."
That's rich! Just go back and look at any comment you've posted on this thread. You've managed to take the deaths of these men from 'guns blazing' in Iraq to Chinese flags draped on coffins.
"And I think it's important to bring up the civilian causalities at the hands of Canadians. An Afghan life is no more of less important than a Canadian life. Where was the media coverage for the two children killed"
And here you are ON-TOPIC again. In fact, it was your 'on-topic' comments about innocents being killed that brought on this little talk of ours -- errr... wait... this thread is about the deaths of four peacekeepers from a bomb... not at all about the deaths of innocents. Any comments of mine that are off-topic are only in direct answer to your completely off-topic remarks.
"What are you guys doing over there, anyway? 'We got trigger happy fingers, they got wrappings on they heads.. FIRE!"' Yeah, seems to fit into the typical mental retardation of the Canadian army. They could of course try to be more retarded, but every time I talk against the Canadian govn't I get chided on how great they are."
See my comments about your credibility above. You've even dropped to the level of labelling people as 'retarded'. I think I need not say any more. Can credibility actually go into the minus? If so... you've done it! Congrats again.
"Well golly, I'm just pointing out how futile Canada is in Afghanistan"
You're right about that, to an extent, we should never have gone in to clean up your mess, and I'm thankful that our government didn't get suckered into the lies that dragged you into Iraq and have clearly made you upset enough to misdirect said anger onto this post.
And for possibly the fifth time, I find it sad that the deaths of four peacekeepers has come down to calling the government and military 'retards'. These men are driving around trying to keep the peace in a place they should not be in and which is falling apart.
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sailwind
Brave Men....... Words fail on this.
Thank you Canada.
All I can say.
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smithinjapan
All I have to add to this is that my heart goes out to the families. War in all forms is a tragedy, and these people being a part of it also.
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ClassWarUK
More deaths due to American lead aggresion. When will it ever end?
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SuperLib
You don't recognize your own words? From one of your previous posts:
"'We got trigger happy fingers, they got wrappings on they heads.. FIRE!"' Yeah, seems to fit into the typical mental retardation of the US army. They could of course try to be more retarded, but every time I talk against the American govn't I get chided on how great they are."
If you don't like people talking about "Made in China" flags and "retards" in the Army, then perhaps you should refrain from using such words yourself. Looks like you're more than comfortable dishing it out....but not so good at taking it, as they say.
Moderator: Readers, please stop this childish sniping at each other. Focus your comments on the story, not at or about each other.
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thundercat
It is very rare that you have a Canadian citizen coming on a site like this and criticizing an American lose of life but as soon as it's a Canadian there is someone trying to score political points by attacking the Canadian commitment. Well, it's shameful coming from our allies.
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thundercat
These men are heroes. They are putting their lives on the line to defend our freedom and they deserve our respect. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply trying to score political points.
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smithinjapan
SuperLib: "'You don't recognize your own words? From one of your previous posts: "'We got trigger happy fingers, they got wrappings on they heads.. FIRE!"'
Wow... you've outdone yourself. Go back to the thread you obviously needed to dig this up from. Check out my post again... you see how the first part is in quotation marks? That's because I was quoting someone who said EXACTLY that! He said, "We got trigger happy fingers, they got wrappings on they heads.. FIRE!" They remainder of my post was mocking the person for having such an attitude and saying that if he truly thinks that's the way a military should conduct itself, they (the person) truly are 'retarded'. Now, I can't say who the person was because their post was rightfully removed, but I believe it was Nippon5 and the whole thing became a rather ugly 'debate' on bombings into Pakistan and the whole 'all Muslims are terrorists'.
"If you don't like people talking about "Made in China" flags and "retards" in the Army, then perhaps you should refrain from using such words yourself. Looks like you're more than comfortable dishing it out....but not so good at taking it, as they say."
Not it all, but in the case of threads where innocents die at the hands of US forces it's perfectly relevant to discuss whether it's 'right' or not for said incursions and attacks to take place, and when another poster starts on with the 'we should kill all people wearing wrappings on their heads' it's MORE THAN proper to question the person's mentality.
As it is, you have simply come on a post where Canadians died and felt you needed to start some sort of grudge match based on valid criticisms of the past that you simply didn't care for. This is not some 'dish it out but can't take it' logic at all -- the things are not related. If a thread comes up where Canadians kill innocents in a war they started I'll be happy to debate that THEN. As it stands, you have still lost your credibility by throwing out a completely unrelated rant and then not even quoting me properly in your misdirected anger. Well done, again.
Sorry mods... had to address the post wrongly directed at me.
More than anything, I just think it's sad people would come on here and pull out old grudges to criticize people for something COMPLETELY different. As thundercat said: "...ut as soon as it's a Canadian there is someone trying to score political points by attacking the Canadian commitment. Well, it's shameful coming from our allies."
A very good point.
I don't agree with any of the troops being there at all, regardless of nationality. I think war is heinous and any one who justifies it is a person who allows it to exist, and there are far too many of those. I feel sorry for these people, and needless to say I feel sorry for the families of those who died.
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filda
smithinjapan - sorry bud - these men are not in afghanistan as peacekeepers -- they are there very much as a sharp deadly instrument. canada claims the start of the peacekeeping concept, but today we have less than about 50 peacekeepers on missions -- ten years ago we had more than 1100.
we are proud of the men and their sacrifice, but the support for the mission is eroding rather fast...
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SuperLib
Nope. daydream said the part in quotes. Your statement was agreeing with him, not mocking him. And your post was not pulled. Japan Today decided that it was neither rude nor off-topic. Obviously you feel the statement was out of line....now all you have to do is accept the fact that you were the one saying it. Hopefully this has been an eye opening experience for you and hopefully it will help you temper your comments in the future.
Yep. Canada is part of the invasion and they must accept the successes and failures along with the other members. I'm glad at least some Canadians understand that.
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smithinjapan
filda: "we are proud of the men and their sacrifice, but the support for the mission is eroding rather fast..."
Agreed. Support for things in general in Afghanistan are eroding, I would say, and these recent deaths aren't going to help. Had the job been properly finished back when it was started then Canada WOULD be there in a peacekeeping capacity instead of what it's become, I guess, but as things are getting worse in Afghanistan and more and more troops from any given nationality are being killed, it's unlikely there will be too many allies left in the near future.
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teleprompter
We'll never know if these soldiers were targeted by 'insurgents' simply because their government refuses to repatriate Canadians of Muslim faith locked up in Gitmo. The Taliban consider all Muslims their brothers and an injustice suffered by one is suffered by all and must be avenged.
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smithinjapan
Four people have died, and that's sad any way you slice it. They chose to be there and fight in the folly that is war, which makes it sad but not entirely unexpected. But to come on here and start bringing up unrelated elements to try and score political points (you fail at that, though) is saddest yet.
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