4 killed in Pennsylvania health club shooting

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Sarge at 11:28 PM JST - 5th August

Mr. Looney Tunes will never kill anyone again.
smithinjapan at 11:34 PM JST - 5th August

sarge: "Mr. Looney Tunes will never kill anyone again."

Only took a few deaths to crack that joke, eh?
amerijap at 12:25 AM JST - 6th August

The NRA doesn't consider a gun as the weapon but a tool for hunting. They don't care who is possessing a gun, or how a gun is used in the public place. Yeah, they are right. There are always some crazy people hiding in the grass and popping out of nowhere and pulling the trigger. So many local communities are highly vulnerable to the shootings, because there's no specific measure to track down these small number of crazy people who are possessing the guns.
USAkuma at 12:51 AM JST - 6th August

RONANCIANNAN states

"Don't like the gun violence in America? Don't live there. I would rather you change your address than the U.S. Constitution. Want all countries to be the same? I don't. I want to be able to have a choice of diverse countries to live in."

Hmm. Good Point. The gun violence IS one of the reasons I left the states. I lived in Pittsburgh before, and know the general area well enough to know that in general, the people there are decent friendly people.

Now, if Ronanciannan were to say in front of the victims' families that the killer was merely exercising his "choice" to have a diverse country to live in... when he took out his guns and shot their relatives, would they nod and agree with him? Or would those decent, friendly people exercise their "choice" to become savage in a desire for retribution.

I am an American, and I am all FOR gun control. There is a BIG difference between the constitutional right to bear arms in the defense of the land and the desire to create anarchy and death with those same weapons.

Mr. Looney Tunes is only a minor example of gun un-control. Looking around pittsburgh to other areas, and there are plenty of cases where gun violence has caused death and misery. Its not L.A., but there are still drive-by shootings in places like Wilkinsburg, etc.
Fadamor at 03:47 AM JST - 6th August

The U.S. Constitution is DESIGNED to be changed. The Founding Fathers recognized that the document wasn't the "be all to end all" and inserted language that allowed it to be modified. The part of the Constitution that the gun nuts live and breathe by was a CHANGE to the Constitution and it wasn't even the FIRST change! I have no problem with it being changed again.

Anyone who declares the Constitution should not be changed as needed is going directly against the wishes of the people who wrote the thing in the first place. That makes them un-American.

Regarding the story, this guy had multiple semi-automatic handguns and I'm sure the NRA's response will be something moronic like, "Well he wasn't an NRA member... and anyway, if everybody in the gym had been packing heat, this would have never happened."
LastBestHope at 05:51 AM JST - 6th August

I took the trouble to read previous posts (on similar stories) made by some of the contributors here at the top of the thread.It is pretty nauseating to see how much repetition, nasty snark and deep cynicism is evident in the posts of some here.

Do they realize, do they understand that they give the very clear impression that they WAIT for stories like this?

I'd grant some of them the benefit of the doubt but I notice that the outrage about gun ownership only appears when shootings occur in the United States.

Of course, some blame should go to the media feeds which this site (and most) subscribe to. Stories about American citizens exercising their 2nd Amendment rights and successfully defending themselves and their families against armed criminals don't draw the same numbers of eyeballs, not to mention frustrated, envious non-Americans.
Beelzebub at 07:07 AM JST - 6th August

Stories about American citizens exercising their 2nd Amendment rights and successfully defending themselves and their families against armed criminals don't draw the same numbers of eyeballs, not to mention frustrated, envious non-Americans.

Um yeah, whatever. And meanwhile the countdown begins until the NEXT mass slaying at a shopping mall, public school or post office in the US. The 2nd Amendment body count continues to climb. It's over 20,000 a year in the States. Japan, which has tight restrictions on shotguns and rifles and a total ban on handguns had 19 firearms fatalities in 2008.
Sarge at 07:50 AM JST - 6th August

smithinjapan ( 11:34 ) - It wasn't a joke.
Den Den at 10:06 AM JST - 6th August

Ban guns. In the more sensible UK, I hear you are not allowed to carry a knife, but we carry guns?
Triumvere at 11:16 AM JST - 6th August

Fascinating. Turns out the guy was a racist; he wanted to shoot up a bunch of white women, because he was convinced that all the white ladies were out banging black guys while he wasn't getting any. The election of the multi-racial Obama and getting dumped by his last girlfriend started him down the slippery slope to self-immolation. Wonder if his girlfriend left him for a black guy?
smithinjapan at 12:42 PM JST - 6th August

Lastbesthope: "I'd grant some of them the benefit of the doubt but I notice that the outrage about gun ownership only appears when shootings occur in the United States."

You're not really serious, are you? As opposed to shootings in what countries? Germany? Canada? Both had gun rampages within the past few years where people came on and posted, but in those cases there was a whole lot of, "Haha! Told you so!" coming from gun-nutters in the US who claimed strict gun-control laws have nothing to do with the slaughters, and there was a whole lot more sympathy by others. In either case, and related to the US, there is FAR FAR better gun control, and the cases are something like 1:10000 deaths by guns in the US.

None of us WAITS for these articles, my friend, but unlike you we don't hide when they come, or try to sweep them under the rug like SuperLib does, either.

"Stories about American citizens exercising their 2nd Amendment rights and successfully defending themselves and their families against armed criminals don't draw the same numbers of eyeballs"

Show us a single one, please. I'm sorry, but such articles WOULD draw a lot of eyeballs because the gun-nutters and the NRA would use it as fuel for their cause, shoving it down everyone's throats and gloating all the while. I remember ONE case on here where an old lady pulled a gun on a guy purportedly trying to steal her guy. That's it. Instead of that perhaps you were referring to the many, many cases of where family members THOUGHT they were protecting themselves and shot the Japanese guy heading to the Hallowe'en party who had the wrong address? The many cases of kids shooting their parents by accident? Parents shooting their kids by accident simply because they heard a noise in the house? Are those the kind of 'right to protect families' your talking about?

"...not to mention frustrated, envious non-Americans."

Yeah... I don't know about other posters but I sure am envious that it wasn't me, my loved ones, or my country-men who got gunned down by some nut who was exercising his rights! Pfff... where do you guys come up with this 'logic'??
smithinjapan at 12:57 PM JST - 6th August

Lastbesthope: "I notice that the outrage about gun ownership only appears when shootings occur in the United States."

Sorry, just noticed again the absurdity of your statement. You do understand that gun ownership the way it is is ONLY the way it is in the US (at least among nations that are not war-torn or third-world... in other words, 'advanced' nations)?

It's like saying people only ever complain about Kim Jung Il in reference to North Korea.
Noliving at 02:12 PM JST - 6th August

Mods if you claim that all posts that don't refer to the penn. shooting are going to be removed then why are posts such as smithinjapan which are not talking about penn. shooting still up but mine are taken down?

Moderator: We want all readers to get back on topic, irrespective of what was posted before. You may take the lead.
smithinjapan at 07:04 PM JST - 6th August

This shooting is yet another horrible example of why guns need to be banned, or at the very least gun control needs to be souped up. Until then, while I'm not waiting for it, since I know it's going to come I'll see you on the next shooting massacre post.
JoeBigs at 08:34 AM JST - 7th August

Ah just another day in the happy land of guns.......

Topic, the guy was a sick sob who owned a gun legally. He blamed young women for not going to bed with him because they did not find him sexy enough. He then took out his legally owned gun and killed 4 women and wounded 10 others because he could not find love/get laid.

The guy was sick and should of offed himself instead of the women.

BTW 19 years without getting any! Yes nineteen years! Not 19 weeks, not 19 days, no 19 years! This guy could not get any in the States? Man there was something down right strange about this cat! This guy was a bloody freak show and no one noticed? To boot he owned a gun? WTFO?

Guns do not kill people, sick people who legally own guns kill people.

I wonder if the NRA would defend this freaks right to own a gun now?