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5 people shot after Chicago high school basketball game

World Jan. 10, 2009 - 02:18PM JST ( 24 )

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elbudamexicanoJan. 10, 2009 - 05:20PM JST

Hey, Chicago is a rough town in a rough country, why can't we be more civilized like our northern neigbors, the cheese heads across the border?
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AlfGarnettJan. 10, 2009 - 05:44PM JST

More bloody viloence in America involving guns. Strewth, aint you heard yet the wild west finished ages ok.

With all these murders and millions in prison, America shows itself for what it is, a bleeding violence filled facist state.

Is this called living the "American dream"?
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MadvertsJan. 10, 2009 - 07:03PM JST

"Is this called living the "American dream"?"

It's bleedin' genocide, alf.
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smithinjapanJan. 10, 2009 - 07:30PM JST

It's hardly worth commenting on shootings in the US anymore... they are far too frequent. And yet, some will say that that has nothing at all to do with the lack of US gun control or the 'right' to bear arms.
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WayneRooney10Jan. 10, 2009 - 07:41PM JST

Say no to racism, gangs, guns and all that. Choose Life! Get the WHAM t-shirt. Be somebody!
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AlfGarnettJan. 10, 2009 - 09:59PM JST

Madverts: Strewth maybe we is agreeing on somethink at last!!

They is wiping themseleves out, so bleeding thick , that they is committing genocide on themselves innit.

I reckon they should ban all gun in America like, to stop repititions like this. Them lot obviously aint sophisticated enough to be trusted with fire arms.
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bebertJan. 10, 2009 - 10:49PM JST

More bloody viloence in America involving guns.

Wrong. More bloody violence in America involving "minorities." In some states, like Arizona, you can carry a pistol in public without a permit -just as long as it is visible- and you don't see this kind of ignorant crime going on there. Not among the non-criminal element anyway. A wider ownership of firearms by decent citizens keeps the animals at bay until they can be safely housed in a prison or labor camp.
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VORJan. 10, 2009 - 11:17PM JST

horrible, just horrible. why do guns go around killing people? they are much worse than knives and alot more worse than blunt objects. it seems like guns are out killing people everyday when knives and blunt objects are out there minding their own business.
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SezWho2Jan. 10, 2009 - 11:18PM JST

What is a "decent citizen"?
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smithinjapanJan. 11, 2009 - 12:01AM JST

bebert: "A wider ownership of firearms by decent citizens keeps the animals at bay until they can be safely housed in a prison or labor camp."

Stupidest statement of the day. Sorry, bud... but we've seen half a dozen cases in the past two months of people who get a bit frustrated, have simple access to a gun, and the result is that people die. I know, I know... you said 'decent citizens', right? But with your criterion for owning guns, they could well be decent until a fit of rage makes them murderers. Of course AFTER the fact they are not decent.

Don't believe me? How about the shopping mall shootings at Christmas time because the people were upset? The guy who was shot for helping another guy's wife? Maybe the 9-year-old kid who shot himself at the gun fair was not decent citizen by your standard. The kid who shot his dad and dad's friend? How about the four year old who shot his 18 year old baby sitter the other day? he not a decent citizen? Is he an ethnic minority?

This is about ease of access to guns, or if this case is not, your comment is. Everyone having access to guns is the reason why there are 1000 times more gun deaths in the US a year. Bottom line.
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smithinjapanJan. 11, 2009 - 12:24AM JST

"...but we've seen half a dozen cases in the past two months of people who get a bit frustrated, have simple access to a gun, and the result is that people die"

Damn... I meant half a dozen cases in the past two weeks.
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VORJan. 11, 2009 - 01:02AM JST

smith, thank god the media tells the whole story eh? rarely, if ever do they cover any stories about how guns deter or fought off criminals. When they do its usually in an accusatory way leaving an impression that the homeowner used his weapon inappropriately.

when I see posts from canadians painting an extremely inaccurate picture of the United States, the image of that guy getting hacked to death and his head severed on that Greyhound bus on a desolate canadian highway immediately comes to mind.

bad stuff happens everywhere and its not always a gun that is used to commit the horrible act. on the flip side, there are a lot of instances where a weapon in a responsible citizens hands could have made a difference. that guy on the Greyhound bus did not have to die such a horrible death if his fellow canadians citizens had the right to carry.

not all sides of the story are being told. seeing the world through the media prism has to be god awful.
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donkusaiJan. 11, 2009 - 01:17AM JST

Easy solution: Give everyone in the country a gun, take the police off the streets and make murder a crime only if you were the first to start shooting. Apart from that, it should be everyone for themselves. Now that's what I call civilised! Yeee-haw!
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Suzu1Jan. 11, 2009 - 01:51AM JST

It is so frustrating that these gangbangers don't comply with Chicago's strict gun control laws.
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HawkeyeJan. 11, 2009 - 04:48AM JST

Hey, don't you guys know what "shooting some hoops" means!
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SezWho2Jan. 11, 2009 - 05:40AM JST

Yes, and it's equally frustrating that the gun laws cannot be made more strict.
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Suzu1Jan. 11, 2009 - 06:59AM JST

How more strict can its gun laws be? Handguns are banned in Chicago. These gangbangers just won't follow the rules.
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SezWho2Jan. 11, 2009 - 07:19AM JST

Handguns may be (for now) banned in Chicago, however the ban does not ban all handguns--although it certainly should apply in the case of young people whose weapons could not be grandfathered . Furthermore that doesn't mean that the ban is enforced or that regulations have even been passed which would allow for strict enforcement of the laws that exist.

How easily, for example, can police get a warrant when they have probable cause to suspect the existence of a handgun? What kind of program exists to elicit information concerning persons who might have illegal weapons? What kinds of penalties apply to downstate or out-of-state vendors who supply weapons to Chicago residents?

An armed populace would have done little to nothing to stop this shooting and could, conceivably, have made it much worse with no one being certain who was firing at whom. Chicago's gun laws cannot be looked at in isolation.
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AlfGarnettJan. 11, 2009 - 10:50AM JST

The gunlaws in America is working really well innit.

The countrybis so safe, hardly anyone inside.

If vguns are available like sweets then this high school shooting wouldn't happen, comman sense innit!
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smithinjapanJan. 11, 2009 - 01:12PM JST

VOR: "bad stuff happens everywhere and its not always a gun that is used to commit the horrible act."

Agree with you on that point, but it doesn't at all subtract from the fact that a horrible act is a whole lot easier with a trigger at your fingertips.

"...on the flip side, there are a lot of instances where a weapon in a responsible citizens hands could have made a difference."

Give me an example. Even if you can, I can give you at least about 100 where guns were used to commit crimes, including murder. What's more, you guys LOVE to go on about 'if guns are in the hands of responsible citizens'! Well, I've news for you, in nearly ALL cases involving guns, the citizens who commit crimes are responsible UNTIL they carry out the crimes. Of course, after that they are considered irresponsible, but until the act they are just your everyday Joes in most cases. Was the Santa Claus killer an irresponsible guy until he shotgunned a young girl in the face? Arguably, yes, but you could never go back in time and say the guy is irresponsible before the crime wave. In fact, you guys would come on here arguing in favour of the guy having guns.

"That guy on the Greyhound bus did not have to die such a horrible death if his fellow canadians citizens had the right to carry"

While you can prove the guy had a knife and brutally killed the man beside him, it can be posited that had he had a gun he could have killed MANY more people with ease. Your defense of guns is the strongest argument against you.

If all the 'responsible' people in the world had guns, in almost any given crime scene you would increase the body count from one or a few to possibly 10 times as many. That's not hysteria, that's fact. If someone has a gun and sees another pull one out, they have the right to shoot that first person, according to the logic of the 'if responsible citizens had guns they could stop crime' logic; well, what if someone else only sees the SECOND person pull a gun and thinks he/she is committing a crime, pulling THEIR gun. A fourth sees that and shoots at number three, who thinks perhaps number four is an accomplice of number two, who shoots number one, who happens to be an undercover cop, etc.

Get the picture? You have the end of Reservoir Dogs, without any of the criminals -- just a whole lot of dead 'responsible' citizens.