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“The findings of our comprehensive, thorough and independent investigation, coupled with the medical examiner’s determination that Mr Gray’s death was a homicide ... have led us to believe that we have probable cause to file criminal charges,” Mosby said.

Predicted this last night, when it came to light that the cops had made a third "previously unreported" stop -- so it became evident they were trying to hide something.

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Probably the fact that it took them longer to get medical care for Mr. Grey then previously disclosed but I am still doubtful any of these will get to trial.

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Severed his own spine, huh? Yeah, sure.

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“We believe the actions taken today by the state’s attorney are an egregious rush to judgment and grave concerns about the fairness in prosecution of our officers,” said Michael Davey, the union’s lawyer.

Translation: "We're disappointed that the police union hasn't had the time to assert the usual political pressure/coersion in the dirrection of this young prosecutor in order to get a more positive result for the officers who were just having a bit of fun with Mr. Grey."

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Also, "It's unfortunate we weren't able to uncover enough dirt on the dead guy for us to slip to Fox News and get white people to blame him for his own demise."

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@Lizz, join the debate and tell us about your position that this case shouldn't go to trial. Do you predict a plea bargain to try to shave some time off their sentences?

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Good news! The best part is that when some of these guys are charged, guess where they will end up? Oh boy is karma going to be a bad, bad thing for them.

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And the lynch mob sets forth!

Let the investigation determine the facts. Interesting to note the manslaughter charge is on a black man.

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On top of the prosecutors many conflicts of interests and prejudicial statements there is no way these indictments are going to stand on legal grounds. There has to be a theory as to how each of these officers contributed to the death in a specific way by what he was or was not supposed to do. There has to be intent, and there has to be specific actions that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what each of these individuals did or didn’t do was a direct cause of what happened. The police are going to bring in a room full of experts that their procedures were standard, that many suspects make false claims about being in pain, unable to breath, request medical assistance, etc.

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The police vans have seat belts for prisoners but they don't put them on people who resist arrest or otherwise give them a hard time. The benches are metal, as is the inside of the van. They then drive around crazily, weaving side to side and jamming the brakes on and throw the prisoner around the back of the van. Three people have been paid by the City of Baltimore after being paralyzed this way in a police van.

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Those guys are going down- big time. With the whole country watching and law enforcement under the microscope, expect most of those cops to get convicted.

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I don't expect that Wc626. With the trickle of information some true and some fabricated it way to early to tell.

The prosecutor is taking a chance on these charges that will make or break her career.

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@Lizz and MarkG, it seems you are speaking about prosecutor Marilyn Mosby, who said in a press conference:

"I come from five generations of police officers. I know the sacrifices police officers make day in and day out away from their families and risking their lives."

Yes, her husband is on the City Council, too. And Gray's lawyer supported her politically. Does that cover your concerns?

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With the whole country watching and law enforcement under the microscope, expect most of those cops to get convicted.

Police are pretty much never convicted in the US in these cases.

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in reality only two are truly at fault and they are the police in charge of the van, they have pulled everyone- from the arresting officers, through the officers at the other scenes to the final officers at the jail.

that is why the union is a bit upset, the charges are for the crowd - not for what happened and who was at fault.

if you go on a witch hunt you will always find a witch

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I dunno, (in this case) a guys spine snapped under suspicious circumstances, look for some of them to go down.

When under arrest, the police assume full responsibility for the individual till the time of release. These cops screwed themselves.

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I'm not sure police assume full responsibility of arrested/detained indivuals until release. Some detained commit suicide or self mutilation. Also if held together with othe suspects may get beat up in holding by other detainees.

Police try their best to keep the streets safe. Where I live now they try their best to raise tax revenue through traffic citations since real crimes are minimal. Where I came from they kept the streets safe. They did profile and it was justified with results. They did beat you down if you resisted and that's a choice to resist. Don't resist and you not beat. That's the way it was in my time. Today more and more police have less and less options to arrest. I'll say the same for schools. When I attended school teachers could hit you. Today they get punched out! ....and no suspension! It is a reversal.

Will these six be convicted? Reports are equally opposing. We'll have to wait for the full truth to surface and not the speculation to convict. Lynch mobs arrested, tried, convicted and executed on the spot. Not unlike the mainstream media today.

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MarkG: "Lynch mobs arrested, tried, convicted and executed on the spot."

Says the guy who in the same paragraph says "We'll have to wait for the full truth to surface and not the speculation to convict" in defense of murderers.

"When I attended school teachers could hit you."

It shows.

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American citizens, how much longer do you let yourself being trampled upon and your basic human rights being completely ignored by officials? Reading through the details of how the suspect was treated by police makes me want to throw up! The police in the U.S. can basically stop and arrest you anywhere with a slightest trace of suspicion and then treat you like garbage.

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Also, "It's unfortunate we weren't able to uncover enough dirt on the dead guy for us to slip to Fox News and get white people to blame him for his own demise."

Commodore -- spot on. You should see the hatchet job FOX News is doing on Mosby, the mayor and Gray tonight. Ignoring, of course, the fact that two of the officers charged, including the driver of the van, are black. makes me sick to my stomach.

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Would like to see the evidence but think these defendants are guilty as charged. They took him into their custody and killed him. When I heard about the "fact" he was trying to hurt himself all doubt left me. I do not see any possible police defense. They need to go to prison for a long time.

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Police are pretty much never convicted in the US in these cases.

False. Watch what happens to the policeman in South Carolina. In my opinion this looks really bad for the Baltimore policemen. But the same was said about officer Wilson and he turned out to be completely innocent.

This is another case where the cops have been convicted by the professional protestors, the media dominated by the MSNBC Left wing clones, and President Obama. No trial is necessary as far as they are concerned. You would think they would have learned their lesson after Michael Brown's assault on the Ferguson police officer. Remember 'hands up don't shoot'? It was a lie. The Left has to lie because they are unwilling to blame the inner city black culture that makes these types of incidents a near certainty. The reason for the dysfunction always comes down to race even when it is obviously not true.

After Ferguson, the blame was placed on the white power structure in that city. Well, the power structure in Baltimore has virtually no white members and yet here we are with another racially charged incident. The problems of blacks in America today has nothing to do with white people. This is completely obvious when it comes to the situation in Baltimore. I've noticed that the media never mentions the race of the Baltimore police officers involved in the incident. I suspect it is because not all of the cops are white. So instead of quickly blaming a white cop as they did in Ferguson, they try to ignore race when someone other than white person can be to blame. But they will find some white person to be responsible regardless of how much they have to stretch logic and common sense. The Left feels that it is their responsibility to shield black Americans from the consequences of their actions. It is a sick pathology that does black folks terrible harm.

It shows.

Yeah - MarkG has common sense.

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Some questions to all the neuvo Freddie Gray supporters .....

Gray had a lengthy rap sheet of criminal behavior. Where were you and what did you do to help Freddie steer clear from a life as a drug pusher? Are you now reaching out to help all the other "Freddies" out there who might end up dead because of the poor choices they make?

Time to stop your complaining, protesting, and finger pointing and focus your efforts on helping the next Freddie Gray to choose a better path. Absent that, all of you are a bunch of hypocrites.

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Police are pretty much never convicted in the US in these cases.

False.

Really? Please provide some examples of police getting convicted for these types of cases.

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"the power structure in Baltimore has virtually no white members" said MarkG. That's only when discounting the POLICE, who are two thirds white in Baltimore. That is seen even in the small sample of the Gray case.

@Texas A&M Aggie, if you have the addresses of a few Texan Freddie Gray's, we could mail them some pamphlets with healthy living tips. Better yet, just copy the advice Walmart put in their handbook for their thousands of laid off employees: Stay away from chocolate, tobacco, alcohol and caffeine to reduce stress. Am I on the right track?

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Some questions to all the neuvo Freddie Gray supporters .....

I don't think anyone is really a Gray supporter per se, more they are objectors to police brutality.

Gray had a lengthy rap sheet of criminal behavior. Where were you and what did you do to help Freddie steer clear from a life as a drug pusher? Are you now reaching out to help all the other "Freddies" out there who might end up dead because of the poor choices they make?

The police are supposed to be the enforcement side of the law. Not the penal side of the law. It is not their place to enact punishment, only to police crime. The fact that this guy ended up dead means there is a possibility that they went beyond the scope of their duties. Gray's past has nothing to do with this. The police aren't there to determine guilt, or to enact punishment. They are there to arrest those suspected of a crime.

Time to stop your complaining, protesting, and finger pointing and focus your efforts on helping the next Freddie Gray to choose a better path. Absent that, all of you are a bunch of hypocrites.

That's a separate issue to this.

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@Strangerland, the issue seems to be gratuitous guilt tripping. I highly doubt most Texans are going to start lifting a finger to rehabilitate the wayward gangsters of Japan. What are they going to do, take away the bosozoku's keys until they promise to get their mufflers fixed?

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@Strangerland

Well said, all the way. I'd like to get involved in this debate myself, but I find the anti-black rhetoric, however cunningly disguised, impossible to deal with. Some people, unbelievably, still judge a person's character by skin colour. And then get all upset and self-righteous when this is pointed out.

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Every time the news come on all I see is over Zealous, gun shooting US cops, they have got to have some more training, this bad attitude has got to change.

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It is not enough that we respect the law enforcement officers. We must also BE respected by the law enforcement officers !

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It's up to the courts now.

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Wolfpack

This is another case where the cops have been convicted by the professional protestors, the media dominated by the MSNBC Left wing clones, and President Obama.

They've not been convicted, they've been charged. And for pretty apparent reason.

Is it standard procedure to shackle a non-violent suspect (who shouldn't have been arrested in the first place) and not buckle him in while in a moving vehicle? After kneeing him in the back? And then driving around for half an hour?

The 'professional protestors', 'MSNBC Left wing clones', and your very evil President Obama have nothing to do with these charges. The officers in this case did wrong, pure and simple. They screwed up, for whatever reason.

Left feels that it is their responsibility to shield black Americans from the consequences of their actions. It is a sick pathology that does black folks terrible harm.

Who's shielding who here?

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Good Bad smithinjapanMAY. 02, 2015 - 09:17AM JST Good news! The best part is that when some of these guys are charged, guess where they will end up? Oh boy is karma going to be a bad, bad thing for them.

So Smith, you suggest the officers if incarcerated could be beaten and killed in prison is good news! So far much speculation and few facts on this case have surfaced. You convicted these officers already as well as many others have (lynch mob). As lost rune says above "it's up to the courts now" and not you or any other poster or news outlet. I hope justice is served but keep in mind inaccuracies have been prevalent lately.

And just for you Smith I would invite you to stroll through the warzones USA where the desperation exists in daily life. Do you have the courage? Maybe your eyes will open. You can see what law enforcement needs to deal with. It's not pretty.

These areas need to change. The drug money and risks outweigh the job attraction. One need not know how to read well to sell drugs. The public schools have failed. The home supports for the young students is weak. The product produced has little or no chance to pick themselves up and out of poverty. And you criticize! The avenue to success is education, self discipline, and hard work.

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CGB SpenderMay. 02, 2015 - 12:44PM JST American citizens, how much longer do you let yourself being trampled upon and your basic human rights being completely ignored by officials? Reading through the details of how the suspect was treated by police makes me want to throw up! The police in the U.S. can basically stop and arrest you anywhere with a slightest trace of suspicion and then treat you like garbage.

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head. The victim's race isn't the issue. It is the routine abuses of power in the U.S. that are so worrying, from the police to the President.

When the police can execute anyone they, then like the system is so badly messed up that the only answer is to tear it down and start again.

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The police in the U.S. can basically stop and arrest you anywhere with a slightest trace of suspicion and then treat you like garbage.

But they obviously can't keep you in jail even with over 18 arrests on destruction of property charges and several drug related convictions.......

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The drug money and risks outweigh the job attraction

Not all African Americans who were butchered were drug addicts. The root cause of Blacks Anger is injustice. Not because of the poverty. They have been enslaved since before US was founded in 1776. They are still second class citizens even some blacks have become successful. Not all blacks will become Michale Jordan, Obama and Oprah Winfrey. In the real world, there will be losers and winners.

The product produced has little or no chance to pick themselves up and out of poverty.

The poor in US still have better living standard comparing with Nepal, Pakistan, Cambodia, Philippines and India. In Nepal, disaster victims still get on well with police even Police hit with them with cane for maintaining order. They have not shot anyone for stealing a pack of biscuit even under current circumstances . Some of US policemen are heavy handed, trigger happy maniac and inhumane. Even Obama and Hillary Clinton admitted police have to be change the way they are treating blacks.

There are not much news about Unemployed and unarmed white person was shot and killed by US police. Law enforcement is not for bullying someone with excessive force.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/blacks-are-killed-at-a-higher-rate-in-south-carolina-and-the-u-s/

http://gawker.com/unarmed-people-of-color-killed-by-police-1999-2014-1666672349

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/no-sharp-rise-seen-in-police-killings-though-increased-focus-may-suggest-otherwise.html?_r=0

The avenue to success is education, self discipline, and hard work.

The avenue to success is equal justice, fair and well trained law enforcement officials and orderly civic society. In US desperately needs racial harmony because it still have hates, mistrusts and rumors between black and white.

If Marin Luther King is still alive, he will still actively struggle for civil rights and anti discrimination.

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@TorafusuTorasan

the power structure in Baltimore has virtually no white members" said MarkG. That's only when discounting the POLICE, who are two thirds white in Baltimore. That is seen even in the small sample of the Gray case.

No, Wolfpack wrote that - and it is true. The mayor, district attorney, and police chief are all black. It has been this way for decades. These people are responsible for hiring the police. The racial makeup of the force is their responsibility. In the Baltimore incident, three are white and three are black. Hardly a white supremacist cabal.

@Strangerland

Really? Please provide some examples of police getting convicted for these types of cases.

Use any search engine and you can find many. I did it, so can you.

@Plastic

They've not been convicted, they've been charged. And for pretty apparent reason.

Tell that to the Baltimore district attorney, MSNBC and Al Sharpton.

The officers in this case did wrong, pure and simple. They screwed up, for whatever reason.

So you are the judge and jury? You stated that they haven't been convicted - but are ready to say the white and black police did wrong anyway. Reminds me of the Duke rape case where the verdict was preordained because of the race of the alleged victim.

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When I attended school teachers could hit you.

Followed by:

Don't resist and you not beat.

Enough said.

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When the police can execute anyone they, then like the system is so badly messed up that the only answer is to tear it down and start again.

The police can't execute anyone actually, they haven't even been able to restrain suspects in a seatbelt until recently, primarily out of fear the guys couldn't escape with handcuffs in case of a fire.

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I guess the majority of posts here are in line with Michael Moore and his comments. Do you want to see real riots! Follow his advice. The cities would be a in such a state of lawlessness and destruction. Common sense is severely lacking.

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LizzMay. 02, 2015 - 11:20PM JST The police can't execute anyone actually, they haven't even been able to restrain suspects in a seatbelt until recently, primarily out of fear the guys couldn't escape with handcuffs in case of a fire.

I think you're confusing "rules" with "reality". Does the name "Rodney King" ring any bells, or Kelly Thomas, or a hundred other similar cases? Or is White American suffering from another convenient case of collective amnesia?

The US tops the world rankings for extrajudicial killings.

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Would that be per capita Frungy? I'll find that hard to believe if so. Far from it I will add. What about the hundreds of police assaulted annually? Their lives don't matter. Fact is all lives matter, allowing news media to feed and program your thinking doesn't make it reality. Please be cautious where your stats come from. Statistics are a funny thing. If they are not accurately collected they mean nothing.

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Body worn video cameras are going to modify everyone's psychology enormously once they are fully implemented -- the places that have tried it like Riato CA show a more than 60% reduction in use of force instances and in officer complaints.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/what-happens-when-police-officers-wear-body-cameras-1408320244

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MarkGMay. 03, 2015 - 12:56AM JST Would that be per capita Frungy? I'll find that hard to believe if so. Far from it I will add. What about the hundreds of police assaulted annually? Their lives don't matter. Fact is all lives matter, allowing news media to feed and program your thinking doesn't make it reality. Please be cautious where your stats come from. Statistics are a funny thing. If they are not accurately collected they mean nothing.

I didn't cite any statistics. Neither did I in any way state that police also weren't due courtesy. In fact your post has NOTHING to do with what I wrote. Why did you refer to me then?

However there are many statistics on police abuses of power, collected by sources such as the FBI, and they all point to a growing problem in the U.S.

LizzMay. 03, 2015 - 01:27AM JST Body worn video cameras are going to modify everyone's psychology enormously once they are fully implemented -- the places that have tried it like Riato CA show a more than 60% reduction in use of force instances and in officer complaints.

All this shows is the extent of police abuses. A 60% reduction shows that in areas without body cameras the police are using force unnecessarily and excessively. And most places in the U.S. do NOT have body cameras.

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Just what is unnecessary and excessive force? Do you know what the police are up against? Tell the Five NYPD officers who were shot in 2015 so far and their families they were to forceful. If they were nicer they wouldn't have beet shot!

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Police are pretty much never convicted in the US in these cases.

False.

Really? Please provide some examples of police getting convicted for these types of cases.

Use any search engine and you can find many. I did it, so can you.

I just searched, and didn't find anything. So all I can conclude is that your comment to use the search engine was your attempt to deflect attention from the fact that you were wrong in your claim that my statement was false.

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This is another case where the cops have been convicted by the professional protestors, the media dominated by the MSNBC Left wing clones, and President Obama. No trial is necessary as far as they are concerned.

pffff.... the usual hysterical Obama-obsessed rubbish... Here's what Obama actually had to say about Baltimore.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/04/28/president-obamas-comments-on-baltimore-violence-video-transcript/

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All this shows is the extent of police abuses. A 60% reduction shows that in areas without body cameras the police are using force unnecessarily and excessively. And most places in the U.S. do NOT have body cameras.

Baltimore's city council approved a bill last year that would have required police to wear camera. However, the measure was vetoed by Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake over questions about funding and whether the council had authority. Maybe they will be applying for a DOJ grant now.

Cameras convey the straightforward, pragmatic message that we are all being watched, videotaped and expected to follow the rules. They also possibly deter cops from getting involved in potentially risky situations or slow them down or make them not do something that they're obligated to do. It also has a de-escalating effect on suspect behavior, especially among perpetrators that were making false or frivolous accusations or attempting to frame officers for wrongdoing. The knowledge that events are being recorded combined with the warning creates self-awareness in ALL participants during police interactions.

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This is another case where the cops have been convicted by... President Obama.

pffff.... the usual hysterical Obama-obsessed rubbish... Here's what Obama actually had to say about Baltimore.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/04/28/president-obamas-comments-on-baltimore-violence-video-transcript/

From that video, Obama's comments:

DOJ has opened an investigation. It is working with local law enforcement to find out exactly what happened, and I think there should be full transparency and accountability.

This comment is pretty much the polar opposite of the claim made by Wolfpack. You can't blame him too much though, he's just repeating the Fox News rhetoric.

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StrangerlandMay. 03, 2015 - 01:55PM JST I just searched, and didn't find anything. So all I can conclude is that your comment to use the search engine was your attempt to deflect attention from the fact that you were wrong in your claim that my statement was false.

I did a quick google since I was interested in what percentage of police were convicted and then waded through a lot of statistics.

The baseline rate (from the BOJ) for assault is that about 75% of assault complaints result in charges being files, and where charges are files the conviction rate is about 70% (68% last year, about 73% the year before, and so forth). The average sentence was about 49 months.

For on-duty police officers (from the NPMSRP) only about 30% of charges result in charges. The conviction rate for on-duty police officers (from the NPMSRP) is about 35%. That 35% also includes plea bargains, which means that only 10% of those charges with assault actually did any prison time, with an average sentence of about 35 months.

The bottom line is that on-duty police officers are about 4 times as likely to get away with an assault as a member of the general public, and in those cases where they do get convicted their sentences are shorter and served with special concessions, like not being placed in the prison's general population.

Interestingly the conviction rate for off-duty police officers is almost exactly the same as the general public (71%).

I hope these statistics are helpful in advancing the discussion.

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StrangerlandMay. 03, 2015 - 07:13PM JST Interesting numbers. But a little different from what my original claim

Fair enough. The number of police killings is hard to quantify though as a result of the way murder is handled in the U.S. The differences between 1st, 2nd, 3rd and involuntary manslaughter are areas of difficulty because of the different definitions applied from state to state, and that certain classifications (such as 1st degree murder, which carries a much longer sentence) are only applied in cases that tend to exclude police officers and result in any comparison between sentence lengths being invalid. There's also the issue of a very small number of police convictions making it difficult to draw statistically valid conclusions.

I did have a look at the statistics on police murders, but my personal conclusion was that the question was impossible to answer in a fair an unbiased way given the confusion.

I think your initial statement may be a little too strong, but there's definite support for the statement that there is significant statistical proof showing juristic bias in the U.S. in favor of the police, and that this has contributed to the problem of police violence in the U.S.

The problem is bigger than just a lack of convictions though. There's a business angle, from corporate prisons that actively seek to increase the prison population and minimise rehabilitation to the domestic gun industry that promotes easy access to firearms and a culture of fear.

All in all the problem is too complex to paint in shades of black and white (and I'm not just referring to race here), but is rather a complex socio-economic phenomenon that the U.S. has to come to grips with, but has shown very little willingness to confront as it would require almost every American citizen to admit that, to some degree, they are culpable in this phenomenon.

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@Strangerland

I just searched, and didn't find anything. So all I can conclude is that your comment to use the search engine was your attempt to deflect attention from the fact that you were wrong in your claim that my statement was false.

I found this case in less than two minutes.

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/07/white_officer_convicted_in_tra.html

Policemen who commit crimes in the line of duty are convicted. Yes, they are human too. Are there bad cops? Yes. Any profession filled by a human beings will have bad apples. Most police killings are justified. Some are not. In such cases, the policemen are sent to prison. Do you have any proof otherwise?

If you can figure out that Google thing I am sure that you can find many more instances of policemen being convicted of murder and sundry other crimes.

Since I could so easily find a case in mere minutes it seems you are simply deflecting attention from the fact that you were wrong.

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I found this case in less than two minutes.

And as I said, it rarely happens. You found one example. Read the articles I linked to in my last post that give some actual numbers, and you will see that I was correct in my assertion.

Policemen who commit crimes in the line of duty are convicted.

Rarely.

Most police killings are justified

Well I think that if you apply American logic, you are actually probably correct with this. But it's amazing how civilized countries can get by with so few police killings. If you compare the US to these civilized countries, then I would say most police killings are unjustified, as they could get by without killing so many suspects if they wanted to.

Since I could so easily find a case in mere minutes it seems you are simply deflecting attention from the fact that you were wrong.

Except that I already posted a bunch of links that show I'm right. Here they are again:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/baltimore-police-officers-charged-freddie-gray/

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/179-nypd-involved-deaths-3-indicted-exclusive-article-1.2037357

http://www.wsj.com/articles/police-rarely-criminally-charged-for-on-duty-shootings-1416874955

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/14/1377509/-New-study-reveals-that-for-every-1-000-people-killed-by-police-1-officer-is-convicted-of-a-crime

I could post so many more too. I just grabbed a random smattering.

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Well, well, well... After three weeks of racially motivated unrest, it turns out half of the cops charged in career criminal Freddie Gray's death were black. What's more, the one with the most charges against him -- the only one charged with second degree murder -- was black.

Heh, the heads of white progressives around the world are exploding because they discovered the death of Gray is just another black-on-black crime; something they don't waste their time with since that is a daily occurance across America.

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Are you under the impression that black police can't be prejudiced against black suspects?

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6 police men are arrested. Now Prosecution attorneys will handle them in criminal court. One at a time. Prosecution attorneys usually declare harsh charge in case defendant's attorney will come up to negotiate plea bargain. If defendants can not afford defence attorneys, public defence attorneys are assigned to each defendants. On the stand, defendants can say :"I refuse to answer ...it might incriminate me...." If indicted, bond decision argument between prosecutor and defence attorney.

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Now has come the time for law enforcement everywhere to be prosecuted for their overkill brutality. Respect human dignity and the right's of all human being's. This is just the beginning...

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@Strangerland

Well I think that if you apply American logic, you are actually probably correct with this. But it's amazing how civilized countries can get by with so few police killings.

So your whole way of looking at the issue is based on your belief that American's are 'not civilized'? Not a very logical argument. There are many dictatorships in the world that kill their own people in large numbers but I supposed these are the civilized nations that America is so unlike.

Are you under the impression that black police can't be prejudiced against black suspects?

Given that most white American Liberals have no problem discriminating against lower/working class white Americans via the institutionalized racism known as affirmative action I believe you are right. It is certainly possible for people to be racially prejudiced against members of their own race. But it's wrong all the same.

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So your whole way of looking at the issue is based on your belief that American's are 'not civilized'? Not a very logical argument. There are many dictatorships in the world that kill their own people in large numbers but I supposed these are the civilized nations that America is so unlike.

Um, no, I'd put them in the same uncivilized group as America.

Given that most white American Liberals have no problem discriminating against lower/working class white Americans via the institutionalized racism known as affirmative action I believe you are right. It is certainly possible for people to be racially prejudiced against members of their own race. But it's wrong all the same.

I agree, which is why these officers should face justice if they have done something wrong.

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Looks like Marilyn Mosby might be heading for prison instead.

Her case against the two arresting officers rests upon an “illegal” arrest. She says the knife that Gray was carrying was legal.

But according to the Baltimore Sun, the police task force examined it and said the officers were indeed correct; the knife was spring-assisted and therefore prohibited. If so, it was Mosby who made the “illegal” arrest, and could be charged under her own theory of “false imprisonment.” And sued to boot, since she forfeited her immunity from civil action by doing the charging herself.

Not to mention defamation of character. If I were one of those LEOs, I'd sue her into the next century; especially if it turns out to be true that the knife (no matter how small) is spring-assisted, and she lied about it being legal when she issued her arrest on the two police officers.

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If that ends up being true, they'd have to prove that she knew it wasn't spring-loaded, for her to have lied about it. If she had been told by the people who should know that it was a legal knife, it wouldn't have been a lie, it would have been her being misinformed.

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Mossy responded too swiftly. I thought that then and with more facts presented she may have regrets. Possibly she desired to settle the protests at the moment which will only arise when charged are downgraded or even dropped.

Facts are often elusive and not as present in mainstream media as in the past. It could be the electronic age with competitive reporting or pushing the liberal agenda. Perhaps both!

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Um, no, I'd put them in the same uncivilized group as America.

Well perhaps when America has a president who refrains from ordering the killing of his fellow citizens via remote control the American people can move out of your uncivilized purgatory.

I agree, which is why these officers should face justice if they have done something wrong.

Well that is obvious to everyone regardless of race.

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