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Molenir
I don't see what the big deal is. The Pal position, that would bring millions of non Israelis into Israel is simply not going to happen. Being rational people, they realize that they may as well demand that Israelis prostitute their daughters to the Pals, it would be about as likely to happen. So, scaling back their demand, to something that Israel might actually be willing to go along with, is part of the process of negotiation. Finding a reasonable compromise isn't treason, unless you label any negotiation at all as treasonous. Just another example that while the PA is not good, Hamas is monstrous.
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SuperLib
Too be Abbas will be left to hang in the wind for actually being realistic about the situation.
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atamant
Ahhh, but Hamas is not particularly rational.
Yup.
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sabiwabi
These revelations confirm what I have been saying for years, that Abbas is a traitor.
That is the Israelis' fault. They got greedy and stole too much land, expelling its people, now they MUST take them back. Why does the world tolerate this, a group of people making a large piece of land racially pure by expelling its inhabitants.
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atamant
sabiwabi,
You are wrong. Compromise is the Palestinians' only salvation. Abbas is correct.
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skipthesong
Why does the world tolerate this, a group of people making a large piece of land racially pure by expelling its inhabitants" I'm sure my ancestors felt that why about Europeans.....
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skipthesong
correction: that why to that way....
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sabiwabi
atamant,
Actually, compromise is something the Israelis should start considering. More and more countries are coming out to officially recognize an independent Palestinian state with the pre-1967 borders. If the Israelis do not move back to the pre-1967 borders quick, they risk losing everything.
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atamant
Yes, Israel should compromise as well. However, that does not mean what I wrote was incorrect. Abbas is correct about compromise and so am I about it being the Palestinians' only salvation.
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Molenir
Compromise? Really? You mean land for peace type compromise that they've been going along with? Turning all of Gaza over to the Pals, thats not compromise? Agreeing in principle to turn over most of the West Bank, thats not compromise? Come on Sabi, I know you're nuts on the issue, but at least put forward an argument that anyone who isn't a hyper partisan jew hating moron could find rational. If all you've got is a default position, that Israel should be destroyed, that the Jews should die, then where is the room for compromise? Abbas is being realistic, you and your Hamas brethren obviously aren't. Compromise works with 2 parties, its not just all give, but give and take. Israel gets peace, Pals get a state, everyone wins. If your result is the destruction of Israel, then only those who hate the Jews win, and that simply won't fly, regardless of the anti-semitic UN pronouncements.
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sabiwabi
atamant,
but if you look at the leaked documents, you see that Abbas compromised soo much, and Israel still refused.
After having so much stolen from it, Palestine should not settle for a few symbolic crumbs; especially now that the world's public opinion seems to go in Palestine's favor. Palestine should get everything that is legally theirs and be compensated for what it lost. The Israelis MUST give up what is not theirs.
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atamant
sabiwabi,
We obviously are not looking at this the same way. I do not think getting their own country is settling for a few symbolic crumbs. I am assuming that is Abbas' goal. I get the feeling when you suggest the Israelis must give up what is not theirs that you mean the entire country of Israel. Am I correct? That hardly sounds like compromise.
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sabiwabi
atamant, I stated in my previous post that more and more countries are coming out to officially recognize an independent Palestinian state with the pre-1967 borders and that the Israelis should move back to the pre-1967 borders quick. You see, the Palestinians do have their state, its called Palestine.
Practically the entire world population, the International Court of Justice, the UN, the EU foreign affairs council and other qualified groups all say that the land beyond the pre-1967 borders belongs to the Palestinians and that all settlements, including in East Jerusalem, are illegal under international law and an obstacle to peace.
Abbas was willing to give all of that up for a few symbolic crumbs. That is not right; he is a traitor.
The Israelis' actions are THE obstacle to peace, they do not want peace, they never have, and likely never will want peace. Not only must the Israelis freeze settlement construction (i.e, theft), they must get out of all Occupied Palestinian Territories, it does not belong to them, it is Palestine.
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Molenir
Getting 97% of what you're demanding is a few crumbs? Wow, talk about nuts! So much for debate, or compromise.
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atamant
sabiwabi,
Have a cup of tea. Relax. You seem to be taking this awfully personally. Any particular reason why that is? I remember another Middle Eastern gentleman, Rabin, who suggested compromise between Israel and the Palestinians and was assassinated as a traitor. I agreed with Rabin and I think I agree with Abbas now. You are mistaken. Although you certainly seem to be suggesting he has, Abbas has never suggested he is willing to give up the West Bank or Gaza. You suggest that the Palestinians already have a state. The only state they have is the sad state they find themselves in.
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manfromamerica
The settlements are totally legal. What Israel is offering the "Palestinians" is extremely kind. No other Arab country has offered it to them.
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