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  BlackOut at 07:07 PM JST - 15th September

  “Muslims be stoned to death for adultery.”

  I give it full support. Why now start with the retard promoted the bill, next the people voted for it!

  So they all will be save from going to hell! lol

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  grafton at 07:50 PM JST - 15th September

  If a religion needs such extreme forms of punishment to ensure compliance with it’s doctrines it proves the doctrines to be wrong. They are “saving people from hell” by creating hell on earth. The ignorance that is embedded within the Islamic “faith” never fails to amaze me. What kind of mad man can sit down calmly & advocate such barbarity in the 21st. century? Every day we are given one reason to oppose the spread of this inane so called religion.

  I do agree with the idea of religious tolerance up to the point that the religion itself becomes so intolerant that it becomes impossible to ignore its inhuman actions.

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  ca1ic0cat at 09:26 PM JST - 15th September

  Very well said grafton. No need for me to comment further.

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  HonestDictator at 10:01 PM JST - 15th September

  Agreed grafton. Islam proves continuously to be a forced religious doctrine, completely devoid of any common sense for humanity. Keep it up folks, just show us how wonderful it is to go around victimizing and even murdering people under the guise of "saving souls".

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  Good_Jorb at 10:43 PM JST - 15th September

  Last week, the National Commission for Human Rights expressed opposition to the sharia legislation, saying it may violate human rights.

  Good to know that the National Commission for Human Rights thinks stoning an adultery to death might violate ones humans rights. Why even have a commission for human rights?

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  Molenir at 01:51 AM JST - 16th September

  I agree with what Grafton said as well. "‘‘We want to save people from going to hell,’’" This comment also struck me as absurd. The idea of saving people by murdering them is just to idiotic for words.

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  30061015 at 02:37 AM JST - 16th September

  He who is without sin cast the first stone.

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  bobbafett at 03:26 AM JST - 16th September

  He who is without sin cast the first stone

  where does it say that in the Koran?

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  HonestDictator at 04:16 AM JST - 16th September

  It doesn't bobba lol. Just like its missing, "Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord" xD Islam hijacked Judaism and Christianity but made it into a very warped Persian version.

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  bushlover at 10:44 AM JST - 16th September

  Moral enforcement via terrorism. What else can we expect from the religion of peace?

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  Wakarimasen at 10:49 AM JST - 16th September

  All religions are dubious, but Islam really is the one that shows us God's love and compassion.

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  LFRAgain at 02:32 PM JST - 16th September

  "Moral enforcement via terrorism. What else can we expect from the religion of peace?"

  Y'know, I thought almost the exact same thing every time an abortion clinic was bombed or an abortion doctor was murdered in the US over the past two decades. Who says we can't agree on some things? :-)

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  bushlover at 05:00 PM JST - 16th September

  I also agree with that LFR. But good thing they kept it small scale. The latter is more of on a world scale.

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  HonestDictator at 06:51 AM JST - 17th September

  LFRAgain I'd look at it by scale and condemnation by the whole not just the actions of a few. Aside from the occasional freak show that bombs clinics from a religion that condemns such acts of violence by crazy people, and a freak show organization that consantly kills anyone not like them from a religion that barely condemns anything and just stays quiet. I'm sure you can see you're balancing the scales using a marble vs a boulder.

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  LFRAgain at 12:45 PM JST - 17th September

  HonestDictator,

  I am looking at it by scale. I’m looking at the United States, for example, where for the better part of its history, wholly embraced the “peculiar institution” of slavery, then went on to institutionalize “separate but equal” laws into the civil code to accommodate the wishes of a very large segment of the population that believed not only that blacks were an inferior “race,” but also that God and Jesus agreed. The Klu Klux Klan had in the 1920s a total membership of 15% of all eligible males in the US (between 4 and 5 million), and justified their hatred with the “Word of God,” finding validation in the Bible's story of God's curse on Noah's son, Ham. His darkened skin was viewed as a clear sign of not only racial inferiority, but also low standing in the eyes of God. While using the terrifying image of a burning cross to rally their members and threaten their enemies, they engaged in a rampage of terror, abuse, and murder across the south, with the blessings of local authorities and voting constituencies.

  Only as recently as today, we can find a laundry list of Christian-based hate groups who use violence and terror to achieve their goals: Aryan Nations, Aryan Republican Army, Phineas Priesthood, and The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord.

  And we don’t have to try that hard to separate the willingness of people to realign and rationalize the support for what rational people would otherwise view as terrorism. Do recall that Sarah Palin, former vice-presidential candidate and self-avowed Christian, proclaimed that people who bomb abortion clinics are not technically terrorists, which places people like Eric Robert Rudolph, who killed two and injured at least 150 with his “guerrilla campaign against abortion and the ‘homosexual agenda’” squarely on her Good Guy list. One does not have to look too far or too deeply to see the startling degree of popular support hold these groups and fringe “freak shows” enjoy from mainstream fundamentalist Christians. The implied message is and has always been, “While I would never do such a thing (rape, beat, murder, bomb) myself, I can appreciate the sentiment behind it.”

  Don’t get me wrong. I agree entirely that this radical Sharia law stands in stark and irreconcilable contradiction with Western notions of liberty and equality. I also believe to my core that Western secular ideals regarding the preservation of human dignity, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, political affiliation, or how you like your toast in the morning, are incontrovertibly correct, particularly in contrast with what most non-Muslims perceive as barbarism allowed to flourish under radical Islam.

  But then again, I also have the great advantage of being able to develop then preach my particular brand of Liberalism in a society that preached those same qualities to me, and was in turn influence by its forbearers. Most living in Islamic societies don’t have that luxury, and hadn’t for the better part of 2000 years. They have nothing to compare their current way of life to, having come to the present on the back of a long series of hereditary monarchies and oligarchies, with nary a hint of the democratic enlightenments and reforms that the West owes it’s present society to. The birthplace of Islam never experienced its Age of Enlightenment. And so, Islamic nations remain steeped in arguable primitive and irrational religious dogma that, IMO, serves to assuage fears and apprehensions regarding their economic and social futures.

  As it is with all religions.

  It’s been said time and time again that Islam itself is not the root cause of radical action, but rather social and economic conditions in the regions where stories like the one above arise. But so very few seem willing to accept this truth, the reason being an insistence upon perpetuating the falsehood that their own religion, be it Protestantism, Catholicism, or Fundamentalist Christianity, are somehow markedly more reasonable and peaceful, akin to a marble versus a boulder – and I’m trying to point out that the historical record show this is simply not the case.

  Non-Violent, you say? Spanish Inquisition, anyone? The Crusades? Abortion clinic attacks? Israeli armed colonization of a populated Palestine?

  Let’s talk about bizarre legislation. Even in our supposedly enlightened and civilized society, we still see attempts to legislate morality and religious belief on a national level: Creationism. The Ten Commandments in public schools. Constitutional amendments to define marriage. The only difference between the province of Aceh and, say, the United States, is that these attempts to force the populace to adhere to a specific religious viewpoint are defeated in the legal process in the States. But don’t place solace in that fact. Some do sneak past the Separation of Church and State litmus test and continue to impose a subtle, but no less noticeable message to American citizens that, “You’re in our house, and this house is Christian” – The Pledge of Allegiance. And some only avoid becoming law by the thinnest of margins – like bans against gay marriage.

  So, before we rest on our laurels, and sit back in smug satisfaction that things are so much better here, it would do us some good to be a little more introspective and realize we might not be all that different from the zealots who believe blowing themselves up with other innocents is somehow effective in effecting change. We aren’t very different at all and I think even you would be amazed at how little it would take to tip the scales towards radicalizing Christians right here in America.

  Finally, I’d like to add something I came across while thinking about this. Professor Mark Juergensmeyer of the University of Santa Barbara observed, “ . . . religion is not innocent. But it does not ordinarily lead to violence. That happens only with the coalescence of a peculiar set of circumstances -- political, social, and ideological -- when religion becomes fused with violent expressions of social aspirations, personal pride, and movements for political change.”

  This is probably the truest thing I’ve ever read on the subject. Essentially, the kind of nuttiness in the article above can -- and does happen – everywhere, with the right conditions. “Islam” is just a convenient label we apply to the madness to make it easier to navigate the countless other more likely causes for radicalism than just religion alone.

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