Afghan teacher wants acid thrown on her attackers

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ca1ic0cat at 03:47 AM JST - 27th November

You didn't notice that I was speaking of the Taliban in general, not just the acid throwers, did you? You can't show mercy to a group that will stop at nothing to gain power. These guys don't negotiate. Your calls for mercy are foolish at best.
usaexpat at 05:02 AM JST - 27th November

eye for an eye baby I like the teacher's request. Don't hang em too soon though wait for the acid to do its job. Before anyone calls me inhumane do a little research on what these attacks do to the human body and then tell me these rats don't deserve a little taste of the fear and pain they've peddled.
usaexpat at 05:04 AM JST - 27th November

By the way, pacifists and forgivers of all stripes, ponder if it was your own daughter for a few minutes and see how merciful you would be feeling.
Helter_Skelter at 05:21 AM JST - 27th November

smithinjapan

So tell me how 'the punishment fits them crime'

Throwing acid on the face of a young schoolgirl can disfigure and even blind that girl for the rest of her life. It can completely destroy a life. It's not that difficult to understand. So the death penalty for these attackers hardly seems unreasonable. Again, the leftists have demonstrated on this thread that their concerns are always with the perpetrator, never the victim.

I notice Helter_Skelter and others haven't been able to get back to me

Some of us have lives outside of JT. Obviously you don't.
Nippon5 at 08:52 AM JST - 27th November

Smith

You do realize your on a Japanese sight and not Canada Tech College sight anymore right? People here are not coming for a cafe english lesson, and dont care if you find their english wrong or not.. LMAO

as far as understanding my point you had no problem understanding it, but to make yourself feel like you could be better you try to insult someone everytime, its so childish and shows your colors all too well.. So try not to be a donkey all the time and respond like an adult with a set and not a internet geek once and awhile.

As for who.. that person is you and others on this very board... You praise the control of the country Saddam had and his control was based only on killing.. Thats a simple statement with simple meaning. When you justify a leaders stability and say he was a stable leader then you must consider his way of leading stable.. and in Iraq that was killing people who dont follow his rule... Also known as capital punishment..

I didnt thing the statement Singapore has very low crime and they have capital punishment was hard to follow. Sezwho2 stated... and I quote "Burying people in a pit and stoning them hasn't stopped infidelity. Public hangings have not ended crime. Throwing acid on these miscreants would likely only make future attackers more careful.

Revenge is understandable. But state-enabled revenge is not the way to a more civil society"

So I think you have to include Singapore in that blanket statement , since in Singapore it does work... I think that answers your flailing attempt to question me...

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smithinjapan at 12:41 PM JST - 27th November
Helter_skelter: "Throwing acid on the face of a young schoolgirl can disfigure and even blind that girl for the rest of her life. It can completely destroy a life. It's not that difficult to understand. So the death penalty for these attackers hardly seems unreasonable. Again, the leftists have demonstrated on this thread that their concerns are always with the perpetrator, never the victim."

Your jumping to the conclusion that I have no concern for the victim because I am against handing out death penalties is what is no surpise, my friend. It's the kind of logic that lost the Republicans the White House and both Congress and the Senate. You yourself have made very illogical statements that, "Yes, if you don't support bush you support Al-Qaida" immediately on the heels of saying that you do NOT support Al-Qaida and also do not support Obama -- yet the thread was about threats to Obama BY AQ! What's more, bush has the lowest approval rate in the history of presidents, so by your logic it means AQ has the highest approval rating by Americans of all time. Argol, your selective reasoning proved without a doubt that you have zero credibility, and there really is no point debating your supposed 'logic'. But just for fun, by your own logic let me point out that those you have illegally incarcerated in Gitmo/Guantamo etc. who have done nothing and had their lives destroyed now have the right to go out and kill their jailors. Also let me point out, for the record:
- I do not sympathize with nor support the actions of the Taliban and/or these men; they are cowards who committed heinous acts. While I don't believe murdering them is at all 'justified' or 'not unreasonable', I do hope they are locked up for life.
- I do indeed, on the other hand, sympathize with the young women who have been disfigured and had their lives ruined by the aforementioned cowards. I hope they gain SOME satisfaction, however small, in the knowledge that these men (some, anyway) have been caught and will face criminal charges and harsh punishment.
There, you see? Not supporting the open calls of death for these men does NOT mean I support them, and you're literally a fool if you think it does (much like you are for saying people who don't like bush like AQ, but those who don't like Obama DON'T like AQ). Likewise it does not mean I am not concerned for the victims -- ie. the young women (since I have to spell that out for you).
smithinjapan at 12:51 PM JST - 27th November

Nippon5: "You do realize your on a Japanese sight and not Canada Tech College sight anymore right? People here are not coming for a cafe english lesson, and dont care if you find their english wrong or not.. LMAO"

I've never been on a Canada Tech College sight, but thanks for telling me what they're like, in your experience. Furthermore, I would never go to one of those sites (not 'sights') expecting to teach English. Why would I? As for here, I'm not trying to teach English at all, but in your case you really ought to be concerned about the language you use because half the time it makes zero sense whatsoever, and the other half of the time it is so full of mistakes you contradict yourself. Just look at your post today on the 'Karzai admits failure of US, UN' article; you said that you think the Afghan government 'should get back on track' but then say you were clearly referring to said governments need to START getting on track when someone asked you when it was ever on track (hence, you cannot possibly say 'BACK on track' and 'START being on track' and mean the same thing).

"as far as understanding my point you had no problem understanding it, but to make yourself feel like you could be better you try to insult someone everytime, its so childish and shows your colors all too well.. So try not to be a donkey all the time and respond like an adult with a set and not a internet geek once and awhile."

This makes a lot more sense, though is still riddled with errors and contradictions. It's still wrong, though.

"As for who.. that person is you and others on this very board... You praise the control of the country Saddam had and his control was based only on killing.. Thats a simple statement with simple meaning. When you justify a leaders stability and say he was a stable leader then you must consider his way of leading stable.. and in Iraq that was killing people who dont follow his rule... Also known as capital punishment.."

Wow... you've really fallen off the wagon on this one. NO, since I have to point it out to you AGAIN, talking about the instability of the current government does not at all mean I support the former government under Saddam. When are you guys ever going to learn that this kind of black and white 'logic' never works and is the kind of thing that lost you guys the recent US election?

Do I really have to spell out what 'capital punishment' is, or are you going to continue to contradict yourself and prove my point. I said I am 100% against capital punishment; you say that Saddam's murdering was capital punishment, when it was not -- capital punishment is a sentence meted out by law against the people who have been found guilty of crime. Simply murdering someone is not at all 'capital punishment'. What's more, the ironic part of this all is that by saying you agree with capital punishment, and that Saddam insisted on 'capital punishment' for people who disagreed with him, then you are guilty of agreeing with his methods (you are for the death penalty) and I would be one of the people sentenced to said punishment for disagreeing! HAHA!

Man... again, you needn't be concerned about little English errors and/or typos here and there, but with YOUR posts... you ought to at least proof read several times and think about what it is you really want to say instead of all the paradoxical statements and contradictions.
smithinjapan at 12:55 PM JST - 27th November

Nippon5: "Revenge is understandable. But state-enabled revenge is not the way to a more civil society"

Again you contract yourself! You say the death penalty for these men is 'reasonable', and then you say that state-enabled revenge is not the way to a more civil society. Contradictions, contradictions!

"So I think you have to include Singapore in that blanket statement , since in Singapore it does work... I think that answers your flailing attempt to question me..."

Again, you make ZERO sense here. How can being against the death penalty, and Singapore having a low crime rate, mean I am for the death penalty in Singapore and Iraq? This is so unrelated you cannot even talk about non-sequitors!

Anyway, as the mods said, the article is about Afghanistan. And since you have clearly voiced your concern about the death penalty in other nations, you should not support it in Afghanistan either. I am against it in all countries, and all forms. This incident in Afghanistan and the punishment for these men is no exception.
FreeInJapan at 02:31 PM JST - 27th November

@smithinjapan - First off, I never stated they did something to me personally, but am going to assume you mean to speak of the person doing the actual hanging never having something done to them by the CRIMINALS being hanged.

I find it funny how you stick to they "eye for an eye" reference instead of referring to it as justice. In reference to your statement of "If you, for example, were to hang them, then who gets to hang you?" - If I were to apply your warped logic to all criminal acts, well, then I would have to ask myself "Well, if he puts this person in prison then who gets to put HIM in prison?" That kind of logic, I actually do have a problem understanding. I do however, agree with you on one point... the victims SHOULD have the first chance at throwing the acid. It's totally their right.

Personally, I fully believe that the throwing of the acid would help to set an example and the hangings would serve to remove at least SOME of the radical lunatics running around and make the world just that little bit safer. I believe that, using this route, justice would indeed be served and have yet to see anything from you that remotely comes close to changing my mind (and I'm apparently not alone). Realize this, there's a battle going on between one side that does not have rules, and the other side that is restricted by rules. I'm not by any means saying that we should throw out all laws, but I personally don't believe it's the wrong way to go if we start using an escalation of force and dole out some harsh punishments as deterents. It would in no way resolve things quickly, and would most definitely get ugly, but it's already ugly and getting worse. Sometimes the Ends justifies the Means.

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smithinjapan at 04:18 PM JST - 27th November

I don't agree with the idea of hanging the men at all, and I have clarified that. I do not think my thoughts are the law in the least, and welcome anyone who wishes to discuss things rationally and thoughtfully. I am against the 'eye-for-an-eye' punishment when it comes to the death penalty, yes, because ultimately it involves a person taking the life of another human being, and as such technically that person is also a murderer. Whether or not it is considered 'justice' when it comes to capital punishment, the fact remains that there are special people hired to do the job (push the button, swing the axe, etc.), often masked in old days, because most people know they are committing a form of murder when they carry out the sentence, and don't want it on their souls and/or conscience. In the case of these criminals, they did not murder anyone, so it cannot possibly be an eye-for-an-eye by the very definition of what the term implies. So you have people going ABOVE what these criminals did. Imagine if a young woman who was raped could dictate that the perpetrator die for doing so.... I would sympathize with her case, agree that the man deserves 10 years or so in prison as well as having to somehow compensate the victim, and I could empathize as much as possible with her anger, but murder is not at all the same thing.

When it comes to prosecuting and carrying out sentencing of other crimes, there is nothing at all comparable to the death penalty. Swinging an axe to cut off the head of someone who killed someone else is not at all like putting someone in jail who mugged a person. Of course I believe in justice, I just don't believe taking another's life is justified, in any case. When I said, "Well who's going to murder you for murdering the murderer" I was merely pointing out the flawed logic of the death penalty, which I touched on above. I knew it was extreme, and would elicit the kind of response it did from people who glorify the idea of these men hanging.

So, once again, I don't agree that these men deserve death -- I DO agree they deserve to never see the light of day for a long, long time. If you want to come back and discuss it, great. Looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree, which is fine too. But don't come back here and say that I support rape or cheer on the criminals or support child murderers and then complain when you don't like my reply.
FreeInJapan at 05:23 PM JST - 27th November

As for punishment fitting the crime, I pose this argument: These men went after CHILDREN, for the simple fact that they were supposedly paid to do it by people who didn't agree with a woman's right to receive an education. Just the fact that they are willing to carry out such an attack on a child, let alone do it for MONEY, tells me that they are too dangerous to be allowed to carry out the remainder of their lives (be it in or out of Prison). They will not show remorse, they will not repent, as a matter of fact I propose that should they wind up only going to Prison the likely scenario will be they will then have the chance to possibly spread their hate to other willing minds (i.e. other inmates) who may or may not be getting out of that prison and carry on the cycle. Not to mention the COST of feeding and clothing them, health care and such, the burden of which falls to the taxpayers of that country. insert sarcasm Sounds like a fair deal to me! Maim and kill, and then retire on the public's bill!! end sarcasm

As a father, I cannot see any excuse for mercy to be shown to any individual that harms a child, be it my child or someone else's. Doesn't matter what country, it's a heinous act that deserves a harsh punishment. In this man's mind, there is no defense nor reason to have mercy on such an animal. If someone defends that person's right to live, then they feel the way about same about child murderers and such. If you can live with that, great for you, sweet dreams.
Nippon5 at 05:32 PM JST - 27th November

The death penalty is not an "eye for an eye". The orgin of an EYE for an EYE is in the Bible "The phrase "an eye for an eye", (Hebrew: עין תחת עין‎ ayin takhat ayin) is a quotation from Exodus 21:23–27 in which a person who has taken the eye of another in a fight is instructed to give his own eye in compensation. Since that doesnt apply to justice people have modified it to their own usage. In justice those for capital punishment say if a man murders he should be killed.. No where does it state he should be killed by the one who killed him. That is just a lame arguement when you cant find a true reason to say it isnt right.

The logic of jail time is flawed, what right do you have to confine someone that you dont have to kill that person ? Didnt you judge the person either way? didnt you decide their fate either way? Atleast when you do the death sentence they dont have to suffer in the horrid liofe of prison... So maybe the death sentence isnt as bad as jail time for life, maybe its a welcome relief for the criminal in the end, many have said that before they had been executed...

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smithinjapan at 06:18 PM JST - 27th November

I have said plenty of reasons why the death penalty is not right, and have said even MORE reasons why the death penalty for these criminals is not right, especially because it doesn't follow the 'eye for an eye' argument either in the bible or according to justice. These people killed no one, and as such I'm getting tired of pointing out how that renders the arguments of those who say 'death is the punishment equivalent to what they did' moot, since they are nothing alike. AGAIN, if the girls want to throw acid on these criminals, THAT is an eye for an eye, and nothing I can do there (I still don't want the girls to have to suffer more by committing such an act, but hey).

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smithinjapan at 11:16 PM JST - 27th November

These criminals should not be given the death penalty, and it is not befitting to their crimes. They should be locked up for good in an Afghan prison. They will not be martyred, and their lives will be as miserable as the girls they disfigured. Period.
tyciol at 09:26 AM JST - 16th December

I don't much like the 'eye for an eye' type treatment. Someone throwing acid has problems, rather than cause more, let's treat those.