Ahmadinejad opponents shout protests from rooftops
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Den Den
Suddenly the western media is jumping on this story. He won the democratic election, what more do we want? To change the results of Irans elections? We should be congratulating him and condemning the violence.
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Sarge
Long live Islamic extremism!
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some14some
...but Western Media is shouting from miles away...That's funny !
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teleprompter
"Potemkin", like I said.
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tkoind2
You have to look at this from the point of view of poor and working class Iranians. This guy seems like "Every Man" to them. He speaks his mind, shows behavior that is coloquial at best, and stands up to nations that try to push Iran around. In many ways he is the same kind of character that George Bush was, a two time winner that left most of the rest of the planet wondering if Americans had lost their collective minds.
So althought I don't like this guy, I get why he was elected again. And I suspect it was a legit election as masses of poor, working class and uneducated people came out for him. While the intellectual urban elite had hoped he would be sent packing.
What Iran needs now is their own "Yes We Can" guy so that they too can escape rule by their own "Every Man".
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teleprompter
We must all be patient and wait til Dear Leader Obama tells us if the fist is yet clenched.
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tkoind2
teleprompter, more time looking for solutions, less time clenching things. We need a rational approach if we are to resolve issues with Iran. Poking them with a stick won't help anything. Neither will clenching various body parts.
Listening, interacting and engaging are far more likely solutions that have any hope of working. The last thing we need is another idiotic war to fight. We have our hands full in Afghanistan from now one. One disaster at a time. Less clenching required.
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Bgood41
No international observers during the election were allowed, and now Iran kicks out the press as well. It was set up from the beginning, even the dear supreme leader said it was divine will! Well these are the things Iran wants to export, I hope the world would not buy them. Still many folks out there are willing to ignore the dictatorships across the world. They have no principle to stand on no clue how to deal with it, only wishing upon the stars....It is so called liberalism of 21th century.
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teleprompter
Ajad's clenched fist versus the students and their Facebook Revolution.
Which side will Obama endorse?
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nedinjapan
Ahmadi-nejad is a clown and a puppet to the religious leader, Khamnei. There was huge fraud in re-electing him. The actual vote count is known. It has even been verbally announced. Mousavi got 21.3 million, Ahmadi-nejad 10.5, the other two, 2.7 and 2.2 million. There were 0.6 million invalid votes. But the announcements from national TV-Radio were pre-fabricated. This was a cou by the religious leader and his gang to get the control of everything in their hands.
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teleprompter
Contrast Bush and Obama ~
Bush, last year:
"We have great respect for the people, and we've got problems with the government. We have problems with the government because the government has been threatening, has made decisions that - and statements that - really have isolated the people of Iran.
"My message to the young in Iran is that someday your society will be free. And it will be a blessed time for you. My message to the women of Iran is that the women of America share your deep desire for children to grow up in a hopeful society and to live in peace."
Here is Obama's response to the Potemkin elections and violence in Iran:
"This is a debate among Iranians about Iran's future."
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SezWho2
teleprompter:
Mousavi's paper's website reported this. Did you forget to add that?
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SezWho2
Documentation?
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skipthesong
well, if AJ has indeed won, I guess his supporters here at JT have something to celebrate... yeah for Iran having nukes, yeah for someone who has his eyes on ridding the world of jews, yeah for women's rights and while in the states the debate on whether gays can marry or not, I guess they can say yeah for gays existing in Iran (he did say there are no gays in Iran).
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SezWho2
skipthesong,
You seem to be on an initial basis with Ahmadinejad. Sounds cozy.
I don't think Ahmadinejad has supporters here as much as he has people who smell a hate-fest when it is brewing. My guess is that, more likely than not, those same people would be willing to take Ahmadinejad on when he gets wound up in his theories about the Holocaust and what have you.
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SuperLib
Well there are different levels of support, skip. Some people here will stand with anyone who criticizes the US regardless of what his/her policies are. For them the door is open to anyone. Others are more single issue supporters, people like Sabi and Den Den, meaning as long as he hurts the Jews he'll get support regardless of what he does otherwise.
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skipthesong
sez: I don't catch what you are implying here?
What i was trying to say is that if you think back over the past few years here, people who call themselves left have virtually given him a lot of support (remember when he went to NY?).
I still find it hard to understand for those who claim to be left throw support behind the guy. I always thought those on the left were opposed to nukes (even for energy purposes), supported his call to wipe Israel off the map and of course the translation of that statement (I know Iranians who said that is a correct translation and I know others who said it wasn't...).
I personally was hoping he would have lost.
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SezWho2
skip,
I don't quite catch what you are trying to say either. In my imperfect memory, those people who others call "left", "leftist" or "the Left" very, very seldom refer to themselves in those terms.
Yes, I remember the faux outrage when he went to NY. Those who "supported" him--as I recall it--supported mainly his effort to go to New York and his effort to speak in a hostile forum. I don't think they support Ahmadinejad or his goals (in whosotever's representation of them) as they deplore a condemnation of him which shuts off listening.
It's kind of like saying that those posters may well disapprove of the bulk of what Ahmadinejad is saying but other posters who do not defend Ahmadinejad's right to say it very seldom give them the space to say that without charging them with inconsistency, hypocrisy, waffling, fence-sitting or any other of the litany of pejoratives which dismiss with prejudice.
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yabits
Of course, there is a great difference between Bush's platitudes regarding Iranians being free "someday," and President Obama's actions.
Because of the overtures to Iran over the first hundred days, culminating with the Cairo speech, many millions of Iranians responded by aligning themselves behind the candidate they felt would best reciprocate and improve relations between Iran and the West.
Weeks ago, the election looked to be a shoe-in for Ahmadinejad and Mousavi was essentially nowhere. What a difference the new American policy has made in energizing the Iranian opposition to Ahmadinejad.
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goodDonkey
Accusing people on the left of supporting Ahmadinejad. That is rich. Of course that led to allegations of America hating and racism toward the Jews. These people who seem to act like America is perfect often accuse us of blind liberal support. I have never seen such blanket support of America by some of these individuals and others never take a stance on anything. They have no beliefs they just want to be popular. I know, I and many friends of mine have much more respect for individuals on the right who at least form opinions based on their own value system. I do know many in the middle who have firm opinions but they are not the prognosticators that you see here on JT that spend all there time explaining others opinions without ever giving or extremely, rarely giving any firm opinion of their own that can be potentially thwarted. And as for those that constantly attack Muslims for their own personal gain or stature development I rarely even have the time of day for them. But I did want to take this moment to say those that accuse anyone of supporting Ahmadinejad better have some proof or the intelligent readers of these comments on JT will not hasten to dismiss them as they have so many times in the past.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is definitely in a pickle. He had to order a probe or face a continuing threat to Iran’s theocracy. If Mousavi were to obtain the office of the presidency, which I find extremely unlikely, it would offer the most stability for the theocracy. Mousavi's supporters would line up behind him and both parties would more or less go back to supporting the theocracy. However, if Mousavi does not get some form of legitimate power his supporters will fraction and some will inevitably coalesce into a group calling for the end of the theocracy. I believe it is a win-win situation for the U.S. However I do not want to see people hurt or killed by such actions. Revolutions are messy though; it is quite premature to even mention the word but I still hope that others can share my freedoms.
The opposition is in a position to receive a ground swell of support if they play this correctly
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