Al-Qaida criticizes Obama's upcoming Cairo speech

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SushiSake3 at 04:43 PM JST - 3rd June

Sailwind - "Here's a little context for you. George Bush was sworn in as President on 20 January 2001. He was barely in office for 8 months when Sept 11 2001 happened."

Sail, do you expect us to pull out the Kleenex and start sobbing that bush had such bad luck that 9/11 happened on his watch?

**You might just want to read this: **

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/29/AR2009052901560.html

**Here's an excerpt - **

"Yes, Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice may have been surprised by the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 -- **but it was because they had not listened. **And their surprise led them to adopt extreme counterterrorism techniques -- but it was because they rejected, without analysis, the tactics the Clinton administration had used. The measures they uncritically adopted, which they simply assumed were the best available, were in fact unnecessary and counterproductive."

and

"The Bush administration's response actually undermined the principles and values America has always stood for in the world, values that should have survived this traumatic event. **The White House thought that 9/11 changed everything. It may have changed many things, but it did not change the Constitution, which the vice president, the national security adviser and all of us who were in the White House that tragic day had pledged to protect and preserve." **

Unfortunately, Sailwind, you bought the whole pack of lies, hook, line and sinker.

Sailwind - "The only beef that you really have with Bush is that he invaded Iraq to get rid of Saddam. It always boils down to that with you."

- and the majority of your countryfolk. Sail, you are the one in the minority in this argument.

Sailwind - "You don't think he wouldn't muster all our military resources and declare a real War on Terrorism, just as Bush did?"

Sailwind, Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was pushing plans to invade Iraq **while the Pentagon was still burning **and a top level meeting on the subject was held just 3 days after 9/11.

Did Rumsfeld, Bush or Cheney have any proof at all that Iraq or Saddam was behind 9/11??

No.

Sailwind, it wasn't just the the rash decision-making that was a major part of the problem, it was also how Bush and co. ignored CIA data that repeatedly said Saddam was not behind 9/11, trumped up claims of WMD and then actually invaded the WRONG country.

But you fell for all of it.

Just incredible.....
SushiSake3 at 04:51 PM JST - 3rd June

Sailwind - "Because as far as everything else he did in fighting the war on terror he and Obama are on exactly the same page."

Except both Presidents are focusing on different countries, using different tactics, chasing different goals while the former president ignored diplomacy, the current President embraces it.

But if you say they Bush "and Obama are on exactly the same page" then you must be right - in your world, at least. :-)
sailwind at 04:53 PM JST - 3rd June

Al-Qaida criticizes Obama's upcoming Cairo speech

Don't see Bush anywhere in the article once again. Boy, some folks just really miss that guy.
sailwind at 04:57 PM JST - 3rd June

using different tactics, Surge

chasing different goals Free and Democratic Afghanistan

while the former president ignored diplomacy, Two State Solution between the Palistinians and Israelis

the current President embraces it. Two State solution between the Palistinians and Israelis

I guess 'my world' is pretty skewed after all in their foreign policy conduct.
Madverts at 04:58 PM JST - 3rd June

Sail,

So what was your 04:27 PM in aid of?
SushiSake3 at 05:12 PM JST - 3rd June

Madverts, I'm wondering too - Sail first implies the article isn't about bush and then posts about.....bush.
sailwind at 05:20 PM JST - 3rd June

Sail,

So what was your 04:27 PM in aid of?

Madverts,

If you actually think rationally and not start frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of the 'B' word. I'll be more than happy to expand my point. After 9/11 the United States and yes the entire world had to confront a new enemy that we have all never really faced before. Terrorism has always been a tactic used by groups to further their radical political causes but until that day it was mostly considered and confined to regional problems and never went 'Global' as it did on 9/11. We all as a planet had a new threat that endagers us all. The ability that now A.Q or some other group bent on killing us could also obtain weapons of mass destruction, is the reality of our world today. We should take every pre-caution that these devices never reach into their hands.

There was no script for Bush to follow after 9/11, there was no precedence on how to conduct this war on terror. There was no history that really could be followed and studied to make the best decisions.

You want it in a nutshell....We're still struggling with what to do with the prisoners we have in GITMO. We still haven't really figured that one yet, and neither has Obama. That should at least give you and the rest of the 'B' obssessed some pause to actually do a little rational thinking on the subject for once. This ain't easy and it still ain't, Obama discovered has discovered that also, or our basic policies really would have changed, and they haven't.

The point is Bush had to conduct the Global War on Terror, with-out a net. You and Sushi and others who are just obsessed with the guy, really do forgot that the world really did change after that day and it was uncharted waters for all of us from that day forward.

As far as Iraq, I'm glad we took Saddam out, I fault Bush for trying to do it on the cheap and not putting enough troops on the ground the first time, to get the job done right. And yes Madverts, Iraq and the global war on terror are two entirely different things, I got that a long time ago, thanks for asking, but I never said they were ever related in the first place, you know that to be true after all the years I've been posting here.
Madverts at 05:42 PM JST - 3rd June

I don't consider myself Bush obsessed, but if that helps your argument then hey-ho buddy! I'm merely pointing out your lamenting of other people mentioning Bush when you've been physicaly posting abut him yourself on the same thread seems a little odd.

"And yes Madverts, Iraq and the global war on terror are two entirely different things"

But Bush (heh, the obsession...the froth!) didn't sell it that way - quite the opposite in fact, and I'm sure you're personally flip-flopping right now in saying so.

Back on topic, I think what's really getting your goat is that "Al-Qaida has repeatedly lashed out at Obama since he was elected, a move some analysts believe indicates the terrorist organization is worried he will be effective in improving the U.S. image in the Muslim world."

The fact that 'Qaida are panicking that Obama will be further marginalzing them (hey without invading anybody!) by reaching out to moderate muslims goes to show what a smart statesman he is going to be.

This would never have been possible had McCain been given the top job, and of course, the roots to your own personal nemesis.
teleprompter at 06:07 PM JST - 3rd June

The fact that 'Qaida are panicking that Obama will be further marginalzing them (hey without invading anybody!) by reaching out to moderate muslims goes to show what a smart statesman he is going to be.

And of course the fact that "bu$hco" - unlike certain infidel powers that blundered into Messopotamia - never "stoled all a duh oil frum Iraqi people!"
didn't change a single mind in the ME, did it.
Madverts at 06:14 PM JST - 3rd June

Goog contribution old friend. What would JT be like without you?
yabits at 07:53 PM JST - 3rd June

Don't see Bush anywhere in the article once again. Boy, some folks just really miss that guy.

You can find him under the category: "Mistakes of the past for which the United States must apologize to the world."
yabits at 07:59 PM JST - 3rd June

There was no script for Bush to follow after 9/11, there was no precedence on how to conduct this war on terror.

There actually was a script: Al-Qaida's plan to entice the United States to both pull troops out of Saudi Arabia as well as to embroil it in a long, costly war of attrition in the area. Bush followed that plan to a "T."
Den Den at 12:46 AM JST - 4th June

Yabits is right. A nutter trying to push christian soldiers out of his lands has been made into a conquering force. And the worse thing is, if you remove the bias, this idiot may actually have a few valid points. A "real" change will starve this malaria.
JoeBigs at 11:06 AM JST - 4th June

teleprompter at 01:08 PM JST - 3rd June Pretty sure Rush Limbaugh and his far right wing gang are applauding what Al-Qaida is saying. Feel free to post the transcript.

Sorry it took so long for me to respond to your request, but I did not see it.

Here is just a few of your boy Rush going off against our President....

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_060309/content/01125106.guest.html

How traitorous of Rush to join in with Al-Qaida in attacking our President. He is so un-American.LOL

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_060209/content/01125106.guest.html

We should really think about sending Rush to Gitmo.....Oh wait that is what the far right would do...
Madverts at 04:32 PM JST - 4th June

"He is so un-American.LOL"

Damned right. Hell, their red-eyed partisanship can't even bring themselves to pick a side when it's a choice between the POTUS and 'Qaida.