Al-Qaida threatens more attacks on Christians in Iraq
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tkoind2
Religion continues to make people crazy. Jewish, Muslim, Christian. All branches off the same violent and repressive tree. The world would be better off without all three.
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nandakandamanda
Now someone is going to say that Mossad and the US are behind this latest threat.
The true nature of those in charge of Al-Qaeda is now being revealed. They are thuggish bullies.
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kokorocloud
More disturbing, sad news, but not surprising. As we already know, everyone who is not under their umbrella is automatically an enemy, they're just taking out the minority for now while they have the chance, or rather, now that they have an "excuse" to do it.
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thetruthhurts
One, there are more than three religions in the world.
Two, being religious does not make one crazy. Crazy people are crazy.
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sabiwabi
If all people were capable of critical thinking and could distinguish between right and wrong, the world would indeed be better off without religions, all of them.
However, I strongly believe that the worst crimes committed in the name of religion are in fact committed by bad people who PRETEND to belong to a particular religion. I am convinced that Al-Qaida is not lead by Muslims.
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tkoind2
Religion has justified more violence in history than can even be tallied. Do you want a list of historic examples?
Sure there are more than three religions. And some suffer from the same hostility towards other belief systems as these three. But without doubt, these three have been responsible for more religious based violence in the last several hundred years than the entirety of the other faiths combined during the same time period.
Read you history if you doubt the capacity of religion to inspire war, segregation, repression and outright violence.
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thetruthhurts
I am convinced that al-Qaida leaders believe they are Muslims. I am also convinced that it is not a matter of them pretending they are Muslims if they truly believe they are Muslims themselves. Whether they are 'good' Muslims or not is a truly different matter. I would vote with the side that says they are not. However, would agree that they are not the poster-children for the faith however, as should any true believer.
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thetruthhurts
ETA: The last however was obviously not necessary.
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goddog
Hindu can get pretty violent too, as well as Buddhists. Best religion in the world in my opinion is Shintoism. It is based on one big giant party.
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sabiwabi
No, people have abused religion to justify violence. The religion itself does not justify it.
Read the New Testament, and you'll see that it teaches things like turning the other cheek, and being a good samaritan.
Read the Old Testament, and you'll see that it... describes very deceptive people...
You mean people like Adam Pearlman (grandson of an ADL board member) and Joseph Cohen?
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thetruthhurts
Yes, if Al-Qaida leadership consider themselves members of the Muslim faith and the Muslim faith consider them Muslims, I think it is reasonable that they are considered Muslims. BTW, the vast majority of Al-Qaida leadership were born to Muslim families and raised Muslim. Sorry if reality is too much for you.
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thetruthhurts
BTW, what is with the Old Testament comment?
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nandakandamanda
Beware of religionists who get a strange shine in their eyes.
All that glisters is not gold. That way madness lies.
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asahi_man
Why does this not surprise anybody.....................
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nandakandamanda
Good post, OneForAll.
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TimRussert
Where are the moderate Muslims we are told are absolutely appalled by this?
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asahi_man
The moderate muslims are hiding in fear as they know that when al-qaida have finished with the christians they will be next!!
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WilliB
Al Quaida terrorist in Iraq threatening to murder Christians on behalf of muslims in Egypt.... can one wish for a better way to demonstrate the international nature of islamic teaching?
Incidentally, it is sad how misleading the issue of forced conversions is presented in the article:
This makes it sound as if both Copts and muslims were equally guilty of this. Fact is, what typicall happens is that Coptic girls are abducted and forcibly converted to islam... while the authorities turn a blind eye.
The already beleagered and threatened 5% Coptic minority in Egypt would hardly dare to do the same, unless they are suicidal.
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nandakandamanda
asahi_man, you spak sooth. And therein lieth the rub. Moderate Muslims mutter among themselves, but they do not know what to do. Speaking out means potentially becoming a target and suffering possible recrimination.
Fear is Al-Qaeda's weapon. Not the fear of God/Allah, which is different, but fear of a bunch of cynical thugs, hiding, yes, hiding behind the name of a Supreme Being they do not even know.
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sabiwabi
The MSM only show us the Muslims, real or not, who appear violent. The do not show us the many decent ones, that is part of the "game" they play.
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thetruthhurts
This is a complete misrepresentation. I see Muslims every day in the news that are not and do not appear to be violent. My question is, what are you looking at?
BTW, what game are you playing?
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nandakandamanda
sabiwabi, do you think the mainstream media play a game? If they do, it is a very dangerous one.
I think the majority of decent people in the world understand that the majority of Muslims are decent, but apart from the rare raised voice, the majority of Muslims are oddly silent in the mainstream press. In other words, it appears more important to the majority of Muslims that they should express themselves internally rather than externally. Again a requirement of the community, I suspect.
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tkoind2
The problem is that religion does two things for the extremists. 1. It gives moral justification for violence. (remember that religion is subject to interpretation. You can find many people of the same religion who will read very different things from a scripture.) 2. It allows people to dehumanize others by placing people who do not share their beliefs in the "other" category where they can be quickly seen as lesser people. History is absolutely full of this as are the Koran, Bible and Talmud with statements that back this separate thinking.
I still say the the real problem is religion. Religion sounds good in concept, but in historic practice it rarely manifests itself as a good thing. More often it manifests itself in competition, repression, hatred and violence.
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TumbleDry
TimRussert: Where are the moderate Muslims we are told are absolutely appalled by this?
You don't listen to them. Especially, on they never appear on Fox.
Other than that, this is exactly like the killings in Mexico. The people committing those insane killing are doing it for the power. Until people just bend over.
If the fundamentalist view of the Koran was so great, they, Muslims, would have all adopted it already. They don't want it. All people rejecting it are targets. Don't get me wrong. The fundamentalists should be dealt with.
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nandakandamanda
For understanding 'good' people and 'bad' people of the same religion, I recommend Kingdom of Heaven, even if it was not a mainstream smash hit.
In the movie you can clearly see both good Christians and good Muslims, and you can respect both as good human beings. The baddies, the trouble-stirrers, are on the other hand, instantly recognizable! hahaha....
Hoping the Mods will not say this is 'off-topic'. My feeling is that if the world can see this central premise properly, we still have a chance for the future.
Let's hope common sense prevails.
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sabiwabi
I agree. But I think it is not because they do not express themselves or they do not exist, instead it is because their moderate or peaceful views are not put on air.
The MSM is always beating the war drums. Their board members are also board members in the MIC, so the last thing they want is peace. They don't want to put on the air a Muslim that will disrupt their propaganda campaign.
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TumbleDry
sabiwabi: oh no! we agree on something.
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thetruthhurts
Could please give me some examples of such people refused air-time to air their views?
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nandakandamanda
OK I worked out that MSM means mainstream media, but MIC? Military Industrial Complex? Does it have 'board members'? Waging war is profitable for these corporations, yes, but is anyone even thinking of waging war against Muslims? I highly doubt it.
Perhaps some crazy individuals, but certainly not any one whole company or organization.
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71077345
Yeah, I am with Sabi too.
And seven years of chaos in Iraq, but how many attacks on Christians can you count? How many on Muslims? Of course, that assumes you have an idea of counting, and many posters here do not (though they will swear they did well in math!)
BTW, when attacking a church, one loser militant claimed it was retribution for Koran burning. Got to wonder if that was about that idiot in America who threatened to burn Korans but didn't in the end. Too bad someone did not tell that idiot militant. And also too bad that idiot militant did not go after the American idiot instead of unrelated Iraqi Christians.
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sabiwabi
Iraq, Afghanistan, and next Iran. And Israel attacking Gaza and Hezbollah. So you think its just a few crazy individuals who are behind these unwarranted attacks?
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asahi_man
Nutters without morals
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Sarge
"Al-Qaida threatens more attacks"
So what else is new?
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thetruthhurts
I believe the answer is that the religion of the people killed is not important. It is the sad and tragic fact people have been killed. You do realize that the Muslims killed have been killed in Muslim on Muslim violence, right? Does that mitigate anything? No, just as the religions of the victims does not mitigate it. No one that I have seen has suggested that the killing of Christians is a worse crime than the killing of a Muslim. Suggesting such a thing would be off-base.
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thetruthhurts
I don't think is it one giant borg with a "board of directors", that is for sure.
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nandakandamanda
sabiwabi, the argument has got twisted, and asahi man thinks you are talking about Al-Qaeda. ("Nutters without morals") You say: "Iraq, Afghanistan, and next Iran. And Israel attacking Gaza and Hezbollah. So you think its just a few crazy individuals who are behind these unwarranted attacks?"
OK, if you want to talk about attacks by the West, please be crystal clear that in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran there were inhumane political parties there that were destabilizing to the region and distasteful to the West, and possibly to Israel. Absolutely no attack was made on Muslims specifically. In Iraq, Kosovo and Afghanistan it was to help people, in many cases Muslims. Many of the people in Iraq's administration were from many different backgrounds. The West has never singled out Muslims for attack, at least not in the last century, and it never will. Why should they? There wouldn't be any reason to.
As to Israel, they have their own agenda, and I dislike it, but even so they don't see their enemy as Muslims. They have quite a few Muslim friends in the area. Many Muslims do see their enemy as Israel though.
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thetruthhurts
ETA: is being called the 'mainstream media'.
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Madverts
Ah well, dead Iraqis pale into insignificance when tiny minds have Chuck Norris fantasies to fulfil....
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