Al-Qaida's Zawahri says his organization doesn't kill innocents

Thursday 03rd April, 07:18 AM JST

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kinniku at 02:33 PM JST - 4th April

And I guess it is also Osama that is blocking public access to the many confiscated videos showing an object hitting the Pentagon!

How do you know what the videos show if you they have been blocked?

And it must also be Osama who told Bush’s security to keep Bush sitting in that school after the second plane hit, although it was public knowledge that he was there, thus making him (and the kids) an easy target!

Wow! I wasn't aware that any planes were heading for Florida that day. You sure are a fountain of knowledge! (Not!)
sabiwabi at 03:01 PM JST - 4th April

Wow! I wasn't aware that any planes were heading for Florida that day.

How did they know the “bad guys” had only planned to attack with planes? They must have known for sure nothing was going to happen at that school because…. Certainly, if a surprise terrorist attack happened, they would have quickly hidden the president, not leave him in a classroom where everyone expected him to be.

You seem so well informed, and you go through much trouble to get info. But you still appear to believe the official story, all of it. You’re exposing yourself as one of “them”, your making too obvious. At least other posters who share your views could be seen as simply ignorant.
kinniku at 03:09 PM JST - 4th April

That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had changed hands! Funny that you find nothing strange with that.

Yes, buildings being bought and sold is very rare and strange (eyes rolling).

No, what is racism is defending obvious criminals just because they are Jewish, which is what you often (always?) do.

Oops! Guess it is time for you to prove your mistaken post again. Please point out a criminal I have defended. In addition, please point out a criminal I have defend just because they are Jewish. If you cannot one can only assume you enjoy misleading people.

Certainly, if a surprise terrorist attack happened, they would have quickly hidden the president

Really, can you provide any precedence for your opinion? In the bombing attack on the World Trade Center in the early 90's is that what they did? How about Oklahoma?

You’re exposing yourself as one of “them”

I assume you mean one of the good guys, but just in case, what do you mean by "them"?

At least other posters who share your views could be seen as simply ignorant.

That's not very polite.
outhousejt at 04:34 PM JST - 4th April

The video I showed previously is agreed to be fake and the whole story surrounding the viedo tape. The sooner people admit this the better they will look. The video is just as outrageous as how the US government found a will and a Koran and Mohammed Atta's passport among the debris of WTC. The US government wanted us to believe that the so-called super fire which reached an inferno and made the steel frame so hot that it melted the steel and made the WTC crumble. But the passport was found in perfect shape among the debris. And who would bring their will to an airplane knowing that the airplane would blow up? Then an another building which was not hit by an airplane collapses like a stack of cards. Then the hole in the Pentagon. Where is the airplane? One of the most secured buildings on this planet surely can come with some kind of evidence. The airplane took a sharp 270 degree turn on its way to the Pentagon and knocked a couple of light poles from the high way and flew right in without a single scatrch on the lawn. The plane was flown by someone who had never flown a commercial jet before. He must have been quite a pilot. Pilots who have been flying for decades say they could never pull a stunt like that even after years of practice but this guy who could barely fly a cecna must have had special powers.
kinniku at 06:02 PM JST - 4th April

The video I showed previously is agreed to be fake and the whole story surrounding the viedo tape.

Agreed by whom?

The video is just as outrageous as how the US government found a will and a Koran and Mohammed Atta's passport among the debris of WTC.

Again we have that problem with facts, or lack of them it seems. Why is it that you do not feel the need to check this type of information before rushing to your judgement? Atta's Koran and his suicide letter were among the things found in a rental car Atta rented and left parked in Boston.

And who would bring their will to an airplane knowing that the airplane would blow up?

He didn't. See above.

I will finish here by asking why is it some people try to back up their accusations with things that easily find to be untrue? Shouldn't we first think about what we write before we write it?
kinniku at 06:05 PM JST - 4th April

BTW, yes I am aware Atta's passport was found blocks away from the crash site. However, based on what you and sabiwabi provide as the basis for your claims, I find it considerably easier to believe the passport was found where people say it was rather than your claims.

It should not be neccesary to bend the truth to "prove" your claims. They should be able to stand up to the strong light of scrutiny. Neither yours not sabiwabi's do that.
outhousejt at 06:34 PM JST - 4th April

Hello kinniku. Hope you are doing OK on this Friday.

Agreed by whom?

Politicians, scientists, millitary leaders, countries. I wonder who still thinks it is real apart from the Bush administration. It does not look like bin Laden at all. The only resemblence is that they both look like they have Middle Eastern features but the bone structure, the facial features is not even close.

Again we have that problem with facts, or lack of them it seems. Why is it that you do not feel the need to check this type of information before rushing to your judgement? Atta's Koran and his suicide letter were among the things found in a rental car Atta rented and left parked in Boston.

OK. I must have got the facts here mixed up. Thanks for clarifying. Thats the only fact I have been wrong on and I admit a mistake.

BTW, yes I am aware Atta's passport was found blocks away from the crash site

This is taken straight out of a fairy tale. The passport survived the impact the inferno and was thrown 100s of meters away and found in perfect shape.

According to Bush. He got the news that a plane had crashed when he was in the hall way waiting to go into the class room. He has previously said that he was watching TV in the hall way and saw the first plane crash then he went into the class room.

I wonder how he could have seen the first plane crash because as far as I know that was not televised. And if he saw the first plane crash then why did he go into the class room to read My Pet Goat? Then after the 2nd plane crashed he still kept reading My Pet Goat.

Over to you.
kinniku at 07:35 PM JST - 4th April

Good evening, outhousejt.

I hope you are enjoying the increasingly warm weather!

Politicians, scientists, millitary leaders, countries.

Sorry to say that is not very specific. Could you provide a couple of names for each?

This is taken straight out of a fairy tale. The passport survived the impact the inferno and was thrown 100s of meters away and found in perfect shape.

Well, quite frankly, I don't think you or anyone can say that such an occurance is impossible. Just because it is a freak occurance does not automatically make it impossible, right?

I don't have time right now to respond to your Bush comments. However, I would ask if you have actually check if Bush said he saw the first plane on TV and if he meant the first plane and not the second (in other words seeing a tape of a broadcast of the second plane). Personally, I never remember hearing that he said that.

Anyway, have a good night!
sabiwabi at 10:30 PM JST - 4th April

Just because it is a freak occurance does not automatically make it impossible, right?

Right, but when you have so many "freak occurances" (too many to list here, there are many more to add to the ones I and Outhousejt listed) supporting our views and the only thing that supports the official side is the fake video and a "fireproof" passport, well you've got to be completely clued out or dishonest to say that the official story is correct.
SuperLib at 02:13 AM JST - 5th April

May I ask to see your proof, Sabi?
outhousejt at 02:30 AM JST - 5th April

Hello again. kinniku. Having a couple of beers after a long hard week so I am cooking. Anyhow...

Sorry to say that is not very specific. Could you provide a couple of names for each?

I can give you links. And you can see the pictures of the various bin Ladens. Spot the bin Laden?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUiNiB2yVCQ

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1708091.stm

http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/surprise/

I can also be very sincere and say to you. I do not have any person who says the video is fake but I do have politicians, prime ministers, millitary leaders including Americans questioning 9/11. Here is a link.

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

That video is fake. You can't fake videos Bush. Corruption is impossible.

So you do believe that Mohammed Atta's passport survived the impact and the inferno and was found in perfect shape a couple of blocks from WTC? You also believe bin Laden left a very low quality video tape of himself boasting about 9/11 up in the hills in a house in Bora Bora when Americans were looking for him? If he left the low quality video tape why do you think he did that? Was it on purpose or because he was in a rush?

Also.. According to US intelligence bin Laden is left handed so why is bin Laden using his right hand to write his memo? Weird. Maybe he can write with both hands. A secret weapon the US intelligence was not aware of.

Enjoy your weekend.
kinniku at 09:07 AM JST - 5th April

Good morning, outhousejt!

First, I would like to say I respect the fact you are willing to admit mistakes in your posts. It is a pleasure to debate with you.

Now as to some of your points:

I did check on your Bush quote about seeing the first plane on television. As I wrote earlier, I didn't remember him saying that. However, I did check the Whitehouse website and found the press dated December 4th, 2001. Keep in mind, this is almost 3 months after the attacks.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html

Q One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much
you've done for this country. And another thing is that, how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack? (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Jordan. Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my Chief of Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident.

Now, if this were the only time President Bush made a mistake, that be one thing, but he and other politicians constantly make gaffes. Witness Hillary Clinton remembering a hail of bullets in Bosnia, for example.

As fare as Atta's passport is concerned. Certainly you and I have seen much more miraculous things in the news before. For example, people falling from very great heights and not being injured, or being injured only slightly, or people who have huge cranes fall over on and survive when nature tells us they shouldn't have.

"You also believe bin Laden left a very low quality video tape of himself boasting about 9/11 up in the hills in a house in Bora Bora
when Americans were looking for him?"

Why not, he also has left other videos and audio as well and the US is still looking for him.

According to US intelligence...

Well, as you and I both know, US intelligence does not always get everything perfectly. Maybe he can write with both hands or maybe the intelligence service got that part wrong. It certainly would not be the first time.

Have a great day!
redacted at 09:11 AM JST - 8th April

Zawahri is merely stating for his dwindling Muslim audience what many fundamentalists believe: Anyone who is not Muslim is not innocent. Killing infidels is akin to a sacrament in his version of Islam.
Zaphod at 10:59 PM JST - 8th April

Zawahris muslim audience is "dwindling"? With the growing number of jihadist attacks around the world, I very much doubt that.
DanManjt at 01:27 AM JST - 10th April

Al-Qaida's Zawahri says his organization doesn't kill innocents

That's right. They're not terrorists.

They're agrarian reformers.