Amnesty accuses Israel of war crimes in Gaza

Thursday 02nd July, 02:03 PM JST

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sabiwabi at 01:04 PM JST - 3rd July

I don't think you get my point. My point was that hamas needs to end the violence and so do the palestinians because it isn't getting them a single result.

NOTHING will get them the desired result. The Israelis want it all. They (and many posters here) accuse the Palestinians for the lack of peace, but it is the Israelis who do everything to avoid peace.

Just these last few days, the Israelis seized a humanitarian ship headed for Gaza. They keep the Gazans imprisoned under terrible conditions, murder them, terrorize them, and they prevent the world from helping them.
skipthesong at 01:32 PM JST - 3rd July

sabi,

They are after all enemies, aren't they. You are asking them to help the very people that want them destroyed. This is beyond right and wrong now. If the shoe was on the other foot, and as it once was for the most part, do you think the Palestinians wouldn't do the same?
adaydream at 01:32 PM JST - 3rd July

Den Den at 07:31 AM JST - 3rd July

Hamas is only looking after the people. If they didn't exist, every single Palestinian would be either dead or living in camps in Jordan

I agree with your statement. Israel has continued a process of killing Palestineans in the most effective manner. Bombing safehavens for women/ children and other innocents. Bombing schools. Hamas' mission is to protect their citizens. < :-)
skipthesong at 02:22 PM JST - 3rd July

Hamas' mission is to protect their citizens." And the IDF is there to protect their citizens.. looks like we got a problem.
SuperLib at 02:47 PM JST - 3rd July

The Palestinians cannot reach their goal through military means. It really is that simple. They need to learn more from MLK and Gandhi and less from Iran and Syria.
SuperLib at 02:49 PM JST - 3rd July

daydream: Hamas' mission is to protect their citizens

I'm assuming you're talking about the citizens that they aren't busy killing themselves.
skipthesong at 02:53 PM JST - 3rd July

Super, good point, but one should not forget that the Israelis/Jews were the ones that were beaten down to being with.

Anyways, given the amount of anti-Semitism and Anti-Israeli right to exist I see here on JT and a lot of other places; I mean both the right wing and the left wingers are against them, I predict Israel and the rest of the Jews world wide will be wiped out in a matter of a few more years. Aday and Sabi will probably smoke cigars!
smithinjapan at 12:28 AM JST - 4th July

Skip: "smith: your post is good, but I still think you do hold a bit of bias towards Israel. Is it because the Palestinians are poor and the Israelis affluent?"

Not at all; it's because Israel plays the victim card constantly and uses it as an excuse to attack, without remorse, those who cannot fight back. That's not an issue of affluence. What's more, if you DO want to get down to affluence Israel did not get to where it is on its own -- it got there through the support of other nations, an in particular the US. Such support is fine, and in fact I think it was necessary given what happened to the Jews, but they should NOT be supported in committing the same or similar indiscriminate killings that have been visited on them. I do not condone violence by either side, but I only see Israel claiming to be the victim of violence they've committed themselves, and telling those who object they are simply anti-semitic.

"Are many of you in support of this under the impression that Israel should do nothing when they feel threatened?"

Not at all. Fire a rocket, made of small scraps, back in a random trajectory -- except that the Palestinians are walled into the biggest ghetto in history. Sending in the troops to fire shells at schools, and white phosphorous shells, killing more than a thousand? 'Overkill' doesn't even come close to covering a word to describe what is not 'doing something when they feel threatened'. Do you honestly think Israel feels threatened by a few hobby-rockets which have killed next to no one (and no one directly leading up to the Israeli campaign), skip? Are they that weak? Or is it they just wanted to subject a little more oppression on some enemies, for whatever reason?
Madverts at 12:41 AM JST - 4th July

"So... a bunch of lame repetitions about bumper stickers... Should we be more specific about what kind of car we think you'll choose next, or is Madverts right that you just really have no point at all?"

Smith - when they're heading up Rant creek without a paddle, irrefutable points are always jibes at the posters nationality, or the Commonwealth, or Obama is a disater, ecetera. Here we're supposed to be discussing alleged Israeli war crimes in Gaza. By the time it runs out of irrefutable points, it'll be back with trump card number one and blaming the problem on British colonial past.
SuperLib at 01:40 AM JST - 4th July

smithinjapan: That's not an issue of affluence.

It's an issue of affluence.
Madverts at 02:57 AM JST - 4th July

"Israel plays the victim card constantly and uses it as an excuse to attack, without remorse, those who cannot fight back"

They do fight back - and often attack, albiet in a less affluent manner. But it's equally vicious.

I remain with splinters in my ass from being sat on the fence on this issue. I support neither faction untill they stop the decades of stupidity.
Noliving at 10:02 AM JST - 4th July

Do you honestly think Israel feels threatened by a few hobby-rockets which have killed next to no one (and no one directly leading up to the Israeli campaign), skip? Are they that weak? Or is it they just wanted to subject a little more oppression on some enemies, for whatever reason?

Yes they do feel threatend by those hobby rockets, if you read my post you would know just how dangerous those rockets are, you would also know why Israeli casualties have been so low. Since those rockets are so harmless as you claim you wouldn't mind having your house being hit by one of them would you? You are also forgetting that over the past decade those rockets range have tripled and there warhead payload has atleast doubled and they are now the equivalent, or atleast the most powerful version of them are, of a hell fire missile. From the Israeli point of view, the question is this, your enemy is refining and increasing the range and destructive power of those rockets and are firing them off in increasing numbers, do you wait until they really pose a threat in that they really do have the possibility of being able to defeat you or do you strike before they become that reality. Lets say your mall security, the doors are locked but people are trying to break by throwing rocks at the windows. As time goes on the crowd outside begins to throw larger and larger rocks and more too. Do you wait for that crowd to get a rock large enough and in enough number to break the window or do you strike before they are able to break the window. Remember they will eventually be able break the window if you do nothing. This isn't a defense of Israel saying what they did was ok, this is just one way to look at the Israeli point of view.
WilliB at 04:47 AM JST - 8th July

There is no surprise with that amnesty report. All intention firmly concentrated on Israel.

Will they ever get around to accuse Hamas of any crimes in regard to the ongoing firing of rockets into Israeli towns? For the abduction and (by now pretty sure) murder of Galid Shilad?

Don´t hold your breath.
WilliB at 04:50 AM JST - 8th July

Smith:

If the Katsushas and Quassams are not all that accurate, that is not by design of their builders. And it is no consolation for the residents of Sideroth, who have to live under the 24-hour threat of incoming missiles. Would you like to live like that?

Here is a nice graphic representation of the cycle of life in Gaza:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY3Z5B0Mv84
zurcronium at 05:54 AM JST - 8th July

willib,

when the palestinians invade israel, kill at least 1300 people including kids at UN hospitals and then barricade the entire country, then AI can investigate.

I am always amazed at how one sided the pro-israel, pro-apartheid wingers are. 1300 deaths and mass destruction versus handmade rockets that have killed less that 10 people in years and years.