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Arabs see hope in Obama

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    smithinjapan

    This is an excellent thing, despite knowing SOME posters will come on here and undoubtedly signal that being friendly with an Arab means giving in to terrorism or some equally ridiculous nonsense. Cleaning up bush's mess of sullying the US's reputation is going to be one of Obama's great hallmarks, and it'll help prove that the US is indeed a world leader, and not just the world police they try to be.

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    Helter_Skelter

    Iran’s hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad offered his congratulations to Obama on Thursday

    Isn't this beautiful. I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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    skipthesong

    “Look, I know America will always put Israel first, I’m not naive ... But at least with Obama, I feel he will throw us a bone.”" Look, I know the entire Muslim world always put Israel in the devil's place, but at least with Obama, I feel he will try to put things in a better perspective. Hope he lets Israel live through the next decade.

    "throw us a bone"? Man, if I said something to that effect, smitty would be all over me...

    convinced many that the United States was an anti-Arab, anti-Muslim bully. A feeling of despair and hopelessness became widespread and few believed U.S. policies would ever change." I can not say American's are anti-Arab in the sense of ethnicity but anti-Muslim maybe after, aren't so many of them anti-infidel? What is going to be interesting now is seeing how the New Left deals with such a right wing people that is so large.... At least the Vatican has put its hands out, still we need to wait and see how they make their offerings

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    skipthesong

    being friendly with an Arab means giving in to terrorism"

    I never said Arabs = Muslims. I know Arabs who are not Muslims, I even know one who is Jewish.

    Just like the lawyers defending that nutty polygammy group in Texas doesn't make them nutty polygammist, being an Arab doesn't make you a Muslim terrorist.

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    WilliB

    The Arab muslims hope that Barack Hussein will weaken Israel, and they have good reason to do so.

    People wanted "change", now they get it. I wouldn´t want to be in Israel now.

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    sabiwabi

    Look, do you see that? That will end! It will get better!” blurted Ayman al-Sawi, caught up in the Obama enthusiasm.

    If someone informs Ayman al-Sawi about Obama's pick for chief of staff, all enthusiasm will vanish immediately!

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    skipthesong

    sabi,

    Who would have been a better pick and at the same time be unbiased? Wouldn't you think that Obama would lean to the Muslims and this other guy lean towards Israel?

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    romulus3

    In Israel, however, many fear Obama will make concessions that will open the way for Tehran to build a nuclear weapon, and some Arab governments are wary of anything that could allow rival Iran to strengthen its foothold in the region

    and the fact that the republicans will be back in power one day makes that a nasty proposition. Their world agenda has just been put on ice, not scrapped.

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    sabiwabi

    skip, What makes you think that "Obama would lean to the Muslims". Has he ever expressed concern about the suffering of the Palestinians, did he vote against the Iraq war.

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    SuperLib

    There probably won't be much progress on Middle East peace anytime soon. I remember Carter saying it takes large blocks of time that US Presidents don't have when there are domestic and other international problems that need immediate solving.

    But here's to hoping anyway...

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    moonbeams

    Skip, what makes you think that Muslim = terrorist?

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    smithinjapan

    skip: ""throw us a bone"? Man, if I said something to that effect, smitty would be all over me..."

    Why on earth do you say that? It depends entirely on the context and what follows.

    "I never said Arabs = Muslims. I know Arabs who are not Muslims, I even know one who is Jewish."

    Skip, bud, I wasn't in the least bit addressing you in my comment, so chill out. I was addressing the fools who think that electing Obama is a victory for terrorism, and that Iran wanting peace, etc., as do many Arabs, is akin to the US becoming a socialist/terrorist paradise.

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    ImperiumMundi

    "An Arab news network blared U.S. election coverage in a Cairo hair salon, and the barbers and beauticians watched the images of Barack Obama’s victory in amazement."

    you could easily remove cairo and substitute ottawa, canberra, wellington, london, paris, berlin, rome, madrid etc and this would still apply.

    they are all decades, centuries actually, behind the United States of America.

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    bebert

    I guess I'm the first one to point this out, but Obama has just selected Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff. Emanuel is, among other things, a Jewish Zionist and a former volunteer for the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces). Chances are Obama will pick similar characters for Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense. This means a repeat of the Clinton administration's Middle East policy, which was not friendly to Arabs.

    The Arabs saw hope in Bush (after Clinton) and they were proven wrong. Now they have hope for Obama (after Bush) and they are about to be proven wrong again.

    At the end of the day, Obama is just going to be another face on a recruiting poster for Hamas, Al Quaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc.

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    kinniku

    "sabiwabi",

    Don't read much, huh?

    "Several Jewish conferencegoers said they were concerned by Mr. Obama’s remark Sunday in Iowa where, in a reference to the Middle East, he said, “Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people.”"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/14/us/14aipac.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

    In addition, welcome to the 21st Century! Barak Obama opposed the Iraq War from the beginning in 2002.

    bebert,

    There has been an ongoing discussion about Emanuel in the related thread for some time now. He organized the handshake between Arafat and Rabin.

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    ImperiumMundi

    in addition, welcome to the 21st Century! Barak Obama opposed the Iraq War from the beginning in 2002.

    from the safety and obscurity of the illinois legislature.

    by 2004 he was saying his position was the same as bush's.changed again in 06 when it looked like civil war.

    he says whatever it takes.

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    kinniku

    ImperiumMundi,

    I don't see anything particulary strange in that. Many people all over the world have changed their minds (in both directions and, in some cases, a few times over) about the Iraq War. Rethinking one's position can be and usually is a healthy thing. I think you should consider giving Obama a chance.

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    kinniku

    Sarge,

    I agree with romulus3. I think you are trying to hard to dislike Obama.

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    skipthesong

    skip, What makes you think that "Obama would lean to the Muslims". Has he ever expressed concern about the suffering of the Palestinians, did he vote against the Iraq war." Because Obama rolled with Farrakhan, got a lot of support from NOI, just thought it'd make sense he would lean that way. And, I believe he did vote against going to war with Iraq.

    Sarge, his aunt thing is really nothing to get on. Giuliani had a lot of issues which were not even family. Least you not forgot, the whole illegal immigration flood gates were basically opened by McCain.

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    smithinjapan

    Imperium: "they are all decades, centuries actually, behind the United States of America."

    Hahaha... not even close, especially since much of American technology is borrowed from Japan and hardly created in its own country. As for attitude, logic, and way of thinking, you prove that many Americans have been left in the Stone Age. Try to pick up the slack a little, eh? We know you're bitter about the recent loss, and lashing out, and we forgive you for it, but c'mon; it's a new day and age, and the times of tired old bush and the politics of hate are over.

    skip: Voting against the Iraq war was one of the things that got him some support. The Iraq war, in case you've forgotten, has proven to be a debacle and utter waste of money, lives, and resources. What's more, it was all based on lies from your current and soon-to-be forgotten (except in the annals of the worst president ever!) president.

    While I wasn't making the case an argument pointed at you at all before, I will restate it again for your benefit (funny how you thought I was singling you out): Arabs wanting to talk and sort things out, as well as Muslims (if said Arabs are not), and anyone else for that matter, is a GOOD thing. Wanting NOT to sort things out and having war is BAD.

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    ImperiumMundi

    "Arabs see hope in Obama"

    poor smithinjapan thinks the thread is about technology:"Hahaha... not even close, especially since much of American technology is borrowed from Japan and hardly created in its own country."

    it will be centuries before canada, australia, england, germany or france elect an obama-like figure to lead their nations.

    thus, the arab world still looks to America and beseeches its new president to help undo the wrongs europe did them.

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    Everton2

    It is a know fact that the Palestinians are suffering and some how if you reveal that fact you are branded anti Jew. If Obama did in fact say that they are suffering then I cant really see the problem with that.

    The Jews need to look within their own society first before accusing others of being anti Jew. In their own society they openly discriminate against the Ethiopian Jews who represent no threat to the Jewish State.

    I do hope President Obama will take a more balanced view of the Palestinian issue, which for years have tilted too heavily in favor of those land grabbers. That the Palestinian have a right to statehood is no different from the aspirations of the Jews after world war 2.

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    Helter_Skelter

    It is a know fact that the Palestinians are suffering

    It's true. The "Palestinians" love their misery.

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    smithinjapan

    Imperium: "it will be centuries before canada, australia, england, germany or france elect an obama-like figure to lead their nations."

    Ah, well, I didn't expect you of all people to admit how great Obama is. In that respect, then, while I don't know if it'll be 'centuries' as you say, since Obama basically popped up out of nowhere to become president when there were really no choices that would set the US apart from anywhere else before. There are, however, no such leaders in said countries today -- and no one who looks decent as a future choice that would be allowed to get to the front lines; Japan included.

    As for the 'Palestinians love misery' comment, that is better directed at people who hate Obama simply because he was not their choice for president. You guys are the ones who REALLY love to be upset and miserable. Good luck with that. Clearly the Palestinians want to CHANGE the way things are right now, or they wouldn't be saying it's a good thing Obama was elected (for the sake of change!).

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    smithinjapan

    The 'Palestinians love their misery' part, by the way, was directed at Helter_skelter; not Imperium.

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    SuperLib

    thus, the arab world still looks to America and beseeches its new president to help undo the wrongs europe did them.

    Very well said.

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    SuperLib

    In all reality we don't know what Obama's policy is regarding the Palestinians. We'll just have to wait and see. Anything said at this point is pure speculation.

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    Sarge

    "In all reality we don't know what Obama's policy is regarding the Palestinians"

    Heck, we don't really know what Obama's policy is regarding anything. However, his record as the most liberal senator in the Senate gives us an idea...

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    adaydream

    Most people agree. The posters here don't. < :-)

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    Helter_Skelter

    his record as the most liberal senator in the Senate gives us an idea.

    And the terrorist group Hamas supported him, so that's another indicator.

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    Good_Jorb

    And the terrorist group Hamas supported him, so that's another indicator.

    Yes and Obama certainly showed how much he supports Hamas, when he appointed Rahm Emanuel. Points to you though for pointing out Hamas supporting him.

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    Helter_Skelter

    Obama certainly showed how much he supports Hamas, when he appointed Rahm Emanuel.

    Don't be naive. Emanuel is a leftist Jew who lives in the same fantasy world as all the other leftists. What could be more telling than this event with master terrorist Yasser Arafat:

    Emanuel directed the details of the ceremony...of the famous handshake between Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and PLO leader Yasser Arafat.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

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    Good_Jorb

    What could be more telling than this event with master terrorist Yasser Arafat:

    He directed a ceremony where Rabin and Arafat shock hands, how nefarious. The Prime Minister of Israel, as well as all those high ranking Israeli officals that were there most have been in on it to. I pretty weak claim to show Rahm being pro-muslim.

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    ImperiumMundi

    smithinjapan:" ...while I don't know if it'll be 'centuries' as you say, since Obama basically popped up out of nowhere to become president..."

    don't forget - the left (and not a few of the old upper crust republican snobs) also said that sarah palin had come out of nowhere and was dangerously close to becoming our president.

    heh. i do believe the youth of America are getting a positively radical message:

    this is America. anyone of you can grow up to become president of this great country.

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