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Molenir
Did anyone else laugh when they read this? They fired unguided rockets directly at towns. Yet they totally intended to hit military targets. The dancing in the streets filmed after news of Israeli citizen deaths was just incidental... Sorry, just can't help laughing about this.
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dontknockit
Molenir, don't confuse the guy who launched the rockets with the people who heard the news.
The statement is funny because it mirrors the Israeli statement so well and so do the results of the attacks. Its called irony. And to support either side over the other in their military actions is called hypocrisy.
I have no doubt however that Israel did not intend to kill innocents. That would just be unwise policy. When you have a prison uprising, you want to kill the leaders only. Killing innocent prisoners sparks future uprisings. Israel is doing its best to treat the open air prison of Gaza in a way that prevents uprisings, but of course not at the expense of giving the people back their freedom and land, or spending so much that it burdens Israelis. Its a fine balance, and some innocent Gazans will just have to die to maintain it.
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adaydream
Hmmmmmm, Palestine doesn't have planes dropping bombs on known places where women, children, schools, UN warehouses and bomb shelters. Israel does. < :-)
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Sarge
adaydream - There is no Palestine, but if there was, and if it did have planes, it mostly likely would try to drop bombs on known places where women, children and schools and hospitals are.
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SuperLib
Sure, let's get involved in an investigation with a party who makes this their official position. That'll be meaningful.
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Helter_Skelter
The U.N. is a farce. What a waste of time and energy.
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adaydream
Sarge Gaza didn't. Israel did. < :-)
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bushlover
So agree with Helter and Molenir. The UN is as much a farce as is the Palestinians and their position on rocket firing. Two idiots on the world arena.
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guest
Because Palistianian civilians look like terrorists, they also were hit by mistake. Both events are understandable, Whos ready for more?
The Palestinians were dancing in the streets after 911, who really cares what happens to those evil thugs.
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sharky1
Tell you what....if I had a neighbor like the palestinians, I wouldn't use a measured response, but I would use overwhelming force to stop the incessant rocket fire...
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dontknockit
Well, when you fund the jailor maintaining the world's largest open air prison, what do expect? The U.S. is complicit in Israel's crimes against them. When many have picked up spent casing with U.S. markings on them, what did you expect them to do? We sell weapons to Israel that are used on the Palestinians, and often kill women, children and babies. What did they do? They danced in the street after 9/11. And you call them thugs?
Moderator: Readers, 9/11 is not relevant to this discussion.
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dontknockit
You are not normally this nitpicky. If you don't like the name, then why don't you give us another to describe the regions of Gaza strip and West Bank collectively. Or are you trying to say they are mere figments of our imagination?
You got to love this "most likely" crap. No proof at all, and a totally useless supposition. Meanwhile, the Israelis really are dropping bombs on places where women, children and schools are, and whether you think it an accident or not, the Israelis kill far more women and children. And so much of that is either made by us or paid for by us. All the Gazan's have are small unguided rockets while they rot in their concentration camp.
No surprise you choose to focus on imaginary what ifs faced with this ugly reality you keep supporting. I am not fan of the Palestinians either, but if you were in their position, I doubt you would be doing anything differently.
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Sarge
dontknockit: "If you don't like the name ( Palestine ), then why don't you gibve us another to describe the regions of Gaza strip and West Bank collectively"
Since Israel controls the West Bank, how about just Gaza - ready? - a cesspool.
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bushlover
[when you fund the jailor maintaining the world's largest open air prison, what do expect?]
I love the words a liberal will use. The worlds largest open air prison? These "people" have been there for years but still can't seem to make the place productive and they still want handouts from the country they celebrated an attack on. I say screw these idiots that can't seem to start to help themselves. Why are they the responsibility of the world now? Sometime they just have to get off their collective @sses and try to make the place they live in a bit better. Using it as a base to attack a neighbor in my books is pretty STUPID in a word. Especially one that bites back. It's asking to get yourselves targeted. How dumb can these people be?
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SuperLib
Perhaps they should put more time and money into things other than "small unguided rockets." My guess is that they'd be closer to a peace deal.
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dontknockit
This is like saying the U.S. war of Independence was completely unnecessary and all the colonists had to do was take whatever deal the British offered to have peace. They did not actually need independence! What is confusing you about this situation? The Israelis quite literally have these people walled in. They took their lands, including rich farmland and orchards, and packed them into Gaza strip. The people there have no real passports. They cannot exit the Israeli blockade except to work in Israel for a lucky few prisoners but then they have to go back at night, just like many prisons have worked. Sometimes (like once a month if they have the money) they can go to Egypt but they also have to go back from there. Usually if they want potato chips, they have to dig a tunnel out to Egypt. I am not joking. The place is a friggen prison. Its a concentration camp. Not a death camp mind you, but a concentration camp. What peace do you suggest? Maybe the kind of peace like the American south had in the early 1800s, where the Palestinians become the black slaves to Israeli white plantation owner? Because that might actually be a step up from the situation they are in now!
You really just don't get it. You don't seem to want to get it. Those rockets are all they have to hit back with. They are a small hope, and a small token of self-respect. And you expect them to given them up and have no hope and no self-respect? I don't know if you are more ignorant of the situation in Gaza or just of human psychology!
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dontknockit
This is so typical coming from an American. The Israelis did to the Palestinians the same as the Americans did to the Native Americans, and ask themselves stupid questions and make up stupid crap to make the Native Americans look like the ones who are wrong.
I cannot tell you how much I would love to drag you from your home and throw you on a patch of ground in Arizona, throw you a few dollars every month and see how you go. I will have armed guards making sure you stay there, and if you so much as throw a rock my brute squad will smash your face. And every time I visit I will remind you how lucky you are for my handouts and to have your patch of dusty ground. Then I will admonish you and ask what you have been doing all this time and why you don't have a garden full of lush vegetable and why you insist on living in a shack!
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dontknockit
Israel controls both West Bank and Gaza strip. Whatever control has been given to Gaza Strip is an illusion, same as the teachers setting up a student council. They have no power.
If you wish to call it cesspool, that is fine with me. Its fine because it shows just what sort of person you are Sarge. You are the same kind as the Israelis. Rather than ask a people what they want to be called, you imperiously name them. I wish this board would let me imperiously name you, because then I know you would do what so many expect the Palestinians to do: just sit there and take it. Yeah, right!
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Sarge
dontknockit - Israel does not control Gaza, Hamas does.
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SuperLib
Except for the southern border, which is controlled by Egypt. I'm waiting for dontknockit's scathing attack on the Egyptians next, but I won't hold my breath.
Actually, I do get it. What I've seen is 50+ years of the utter failure from the Palestinians to militarily erase Israel from the planet. So, what's your solution? More war? Sure....it's worked wonders so far.
The only solution for the Palestinians is non-violent resistance. They undercut their credibility with every terrorist attack they carry out, but, unfortunately, it seems that they know no other way and there are plenty of people in Western nations cheering on the failed war effort such as yourself. I can promise you that there is a solution for Palestine but I guarantee that it doesn't include bigger weapons, no matter how much you want them. So far the Palestinians have been counterproductive to their cause and I have a half-century of proof to back it up.
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dontknockit
You guys are such a headache. A border has two sides, and Israel controls all exits and entrances from the Gazan side...except when tunnels are dug to Egypt. Then the Palestinians can get potato chips.
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dontknockit
I was describing the situation, not the solution.
Why do you assume I support the fighting? All I am saying is that I understand why they keep fighting.
I don't want them. But there are reasons why it keeps going that way.
Yeah. It worked for Jews for 2000 years. Then they got back Israel with non-violent resistance! Uh-huh.
On the other hand, if they just sat down and shut up, they would be forgotten.
You know, its interesting that you have so many suggestions for the Palestinians, but nothing to say about the Israelis. Surely any solution is going require both parties to change? What you don't seem to realize is that the Israelis are not interested in giving the Palestinians any sort of autonomy unless the Israelis can control it, which is not autonomy at all! Both sides suck. The first major difference is that the Palestinians have excuses. The second is that the Palestinians have crap for weapons.
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Gombei424Canada
dontknockit:"Those rockets are all they have to hit back with. They are a small hope, and a small token of self-respect."
Yahtze! You are back to your usual fine form, my compadre.Your attacks on Osama and Noam yesterday had me worried YOU were batting for the other team, but with the extremely withering sillogisms you use to highlight the INJUSTICE in Gaza you are putting the haters and the pro-israel rightists in their place, and how!
The rockets ARE a source of self-esteem and self-respect.You are bang-on correct (no pun intended ahahahaha!) with that one. Said rockets give those who fire them the satisfaction of knowing that they CAN get back at their oppresssors.(Growing up in the open air prison of Kingston,Ontario, I knew the feeling.)
Well, anyways my many friends, The Israelis knew darned well they would get mortared when they moved into the walled off ghetto known as the Gaza Strip. If their solution to getting mortared is to in return, mortar a school area they know darn well is loaded with civilian CHILDREN, then they should have moved further back from the wall, out of rocket range, instead.It's THAT simple!
If they do not have the heart suffer a bit of mortar fire and take the time to snipe militants or send soldiers in direct pursuit, then they are not getting any support, much less sympathy, from me.And that's just the way I roll, dammit! They put themselves in harm's way. And they have killed way more than those supped up hobby rockets.
After reading dontknockit7s heartbreaking account of how Palestinians can even GET snack foods without endangering their lives I think the new rallying cry really will become "Let the Children of Gaza have some potato chips!!!"
Peace.
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Helter_Skelter
...and weapons, illicit drugs, alcohol, laundered currency, human tafficking, etc.
More like "Let the Children of Gaza have some AK-47's!!!"
"the cost of smuggling a person from Egypt into the Gaza strip is $1,000. A Kalashnikov rifle in the Gaza Strip can cost up to $1,000 compared with 2,000 Egyptian pounds ($320) across the border. A single bullet used to cost $3 in Gaza compared with $0.08 in Egypt, but since the Hamas coup, and the subsequent capture of the Fatah weapons' storage, the prices have dropped.
As of May 19, 2004, Strela 2 shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles, 9K11 Malyutka anti-tank missiles, and other long-range rockets are reported[who?] to be stored on the Egyptian side of the border waiting to be smuggled through tunnels into the Gaza Strip. [5] 40 tons of explosives have been smuggled."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GazaStripsmuggling_tunnels
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