Biden says politics impeding cancer cure

Cancer is not a disease, it's an industry.

Joe's looking a cushy job a health care board.

Says one of the biggest proponents of big government that has ever existed and one of the architects of the largest government health care scheme in history, one that will only stifle medical research for decades to come--all of which was done in the interest of "politics." Biden is a clown and fraud.

"Uncle" Joe may, at times, not be so eloquent, but always tells it like it is !

Politics impedes everything. But, it's a democracy. We get what we deserve.....

After his 46-year-old son, Beau Biden, died from brain cancer in May, Biden entered a period of painfully public mourning, followed eventually by his decision not to enter the presidential race.

Can't imagine the pain of losing son or a daughter to cancer.

It takes a very particularly contemptible kind of person to question the motives of a father whose lost his son to cancer.

Stacking adverbs and attaching the character of someone you no nothing about while hiding behind the internet doesn't make your point any more valid.

Whether or not Biden lost his son to cancer is not the point. There are people losing loved ones to cancer and other horrible diseases all over the world, everyday. The point is that Obama, Biden and their liberal cronies rammed through a healthcare scheme against the wishes of the American people. A scheme that they themselves are not subject to and will ultimately do nothing but hinder medical research and make specialized treatments virtually unaffordable to average Americans. Whats good for the goose, right?

Biden is a life-long politician that has done nothing but promote his own interests. And in this case, his motives are purely selfish. Yet, he has the audacity to preach that politics is the problem? He himself is a very large part of the problem.

Stacking adverbs and attaching the character of someone you no nothing about while hiding behind the internet doesn't make your point any more valid.

Hadn't even read your post. Was responding to Fizzbit's. But now that I have...

And in this case, his motives are purely selfish.

So you're a mindreader? You can peer into Biden's soul? You can disagree with a man's politics, take a stab at criticizing his accomplishments (but honestly you're just weakly trotting out the same stale old rightwing talking points) but a modicum of decency might restrain you (or Fizzbit) from impugning the guy's motives because, you know... you don't really know the guy either.

Everything you're attempting to argue can easily be turned around on you. For example:

So you're a mindreader? You can peer into Biden's soul?

Are you? Can you? Do you know him? I'll assume you're not, you can't, and you don't. Thus, you don't really know his motives either, do you? I don't know for sure either, but his career as a politician and the choices he has made, the speeches he has given, and the votes are a matter of public record and thus make it relatively was to discern what he motives might be.

(but honestly you're just weakly trotting out the same stale old rightwing talking points)

Perhaps, but then again you're making the same old stale liberal tactics. If you can't have your way and persuade with logic and reason, you resort to emotional arguments and character assassination. Neither of which win over your opponents or prove your case. I'm not weakly trotting out anything. Rather, I used logic to deduce that Biden is part of the problem and his comments make him a fraud.

You can disagree with a man's politics, take a stab at criticizing his accomplishments

Correct. Because Biden made a conscious choice to be a life-long, career politician and therefore he is fair-game. Decency has nothing to do with it. For decades he has made politics the center of his life and made decisions that effect the lives of others. But he has the audacity to assert politics is the problem? Career politicians and bureaucrats are the core problem he is referring to.

Now that his political career is coming to and end, he's making a bid to remain influential in public policy. In doing so he is grandstanding and using the death of his son to further his political ambitions. I don't find that decent at all. I find it extremely extremely despicable. Especially considering how his used his positions to ram through health care "reform" that is completely counter to promoting medical research and finding cures to horrible disease in illness, which will leave average Americans railroaded while Biden and his ilk will continue to have access to the best and brightest.

I'll reiterate...Biden is a fraud.

He could have done this all along during his career, instead of when he's on the way out and it doesn't cost him any political capital.

Funny you felt the initial post was addressed to you.. That says something. Anyway, be my guest reiterate and trot all you want, matters not a jot, Like you yourself said you don't know the man. Politicians have kids, politicians can feel grief, and politicians like many other human beings have can deal with a tragedy in much the same way. You don't like his politics? You don't like Obamacare. Fine. Good for you. But you're the one ascribing motives (bid to remain influential) when you admit you don't know.

So, decency, you either get it or you don't.

Stacking adverbs and attaching the character of someone you no nothing about

I know what you posted. You don't want a response? Easy, don't post. Otherwise don't whine.

Everything you're attempting to argue can easily be turned around on you.

Actually, no it can't. Not once did gcbel say anything of Biden's character- he merely pointed out that unless you are Biden, while bearing in mind he lost his own son, assert that Biden is just looking for a cushy job, without looking like a worldclass fool. And I agree with him. Its sickening and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Yay! More liberal nonsense and character assassinations.

Actually, no it can't

It can. And was.

he merely pointed out that unless you are Biden, while bearing in mind he lost his own son, assert that Biden is just looking for a cushy job, without looking like a world class fool

This is an absurd statement. What you both are arguing is that simply because Biden lost his son to cancer, he is entitled to a government position made especially for him to find a cure for cancer? Because he lost his son to cancer he is qualified for such a position? Is he some how anointed because he lost his son to cancer? And if I don't quietly acquiesce and bow to demands of the liberal demigods, then I am to be publicly shamed. Ridiculous.

I lost my mother to a heart attack? So, by your rationale, everyone should feel sorry for me, no one can publicly debate my ideas or political motives and I should be given a government position created especially for me to find the cure for heart disease? Of course not! No one in their right mind would agree with such an idea!

The reality is, Biden is not a doctor and has zero background in medicine. He is a career politician, he is good at running his mouth and raising cash. That's it. Just because his son died does not make him in anyway qualified for such a role. After his stint as VP his political career is supposed to be over. Like it not, agree with it not, Biden using his son's death to remain influential in public policy. I find it disgusting and it should be Biden that is ashamed of himself. This is my opinion and as a member of a free society and a man that served my country honorably, I am entitled to it. Just like your entitled to call names and attack the character of individuals you know nothing about while hiding behind the internet.

Then again, I was never even arguing the position itself. I was simply saying that Biden is fraud and pointing out the irony in his comments. And he is a fraud for blaming politics for stifling medical research. Biden has made a career of politics and has made numerous decisions that have aided in hindering medical innovation, and therefore has himself to blame (at least partly). Now Biden is using his influence to remain in politics. If you think otherwise, you are naive. But, in hindsight, perhaps fraud wasn't the correct word. He's a hypocrite.

you should be ashamed of yourself

No. My mind is completely at ease. I never once made Biden's son the center of attention or used him to shame and belittle others. That's what you are doing, which is way more shameful than anything I've said. I am merely arguing the merits of Biden's comment and his politics, both of which are fair-game.

But this is what you liberals do. Because you're unable to apply logic and reason, you resort to emotional arguments and personal attacks to give yourself the moral high ground and feel superior.

Now, if either of you wish to tactfully debate the substance of my comments, I'm game. But, please, for your own sake, leave the sticks and stones out of it.

There's so much irony is claiming to be moral and decent while shaming and belittling others ("Do as I say, not as I do"). Which, I guess, says a lot about the both of you.