Biden to Iran: U.S. will talk, but is ready to act
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likeitis
Well, Joe, it seems we have created our own crisis this way. Pre-emptive is great in every way, except militarily when there is no current war.
But glad to see our government backing off Iran a bit, despite all the bullies who will come on here and swear its a sign of weakness from the country that spends SIX TIMES more on their military than any other country on the whole darn planet. I think the U.S. has PLENTY OF ROOM to speak softly (which Biden didn't)
Well that won't help our relationship with Russia any. If access to the base is cut off and we find out it was in any way engineered or encouraged by the Russians, it could be a very, very big problem.
Or perhaps Obama will view it as tit for tat for us supporting Georgia while Russian troops were dying in S. Ossetia.
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tclh
Full mark to Biden, he knows how to talk..the political wheel should be carefully turned teeth by teeth ,not too fast like Obama's statement before.
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Helter_Skelter
The only question here is during what year of the Obama administration with Iran test its first nuke.
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yabits
We know the year and under whose administration North Korea tested its first nuke. We also note under whose administration the most progress has been made to this point by Iran.
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Helter_Skelter
North Korea and Iran's nuclear programs go back even before Bush and Clinton. But I agree they're all equally to blame.
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SuperLib
I'm curious as to what Iran's words and actions will be over the coming months. So far it looks like the fist is still clenched.
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likeitis
I am sure that fist will stay clenched for quite a while. I did not expect a change of the guard and a couple speeches to heal all that bad blood. Iran has far more to be angry at us about than us them. This one is going to take time and patience.
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smithinjapan
Helter_Skelter: "North Korea and Iran's nuclear programs go back even before Bush and Clinton. But I agree they're all equally to blame."
Yes, the programs do date back before bush and Clinton, but your previous comment said, "The only question here is during what year of the Obama administration with Iran test its first nuke", and yabits answered your 'question' by point out a fact for which you did not care to hear (and by the way, the grammar in your first post is atrocious). So, tell us again, under whose administration did NKorea's nuclear weapons test occur?
SuperLib: "I'm curious as to what Iran's words and actions will be over the coming months. So far it looks like the fist is still clenched."
Likeitis' post was bang on; this is nothing new for Iran, and if anything the fact that the fist is still clenched but we're not hearing a whole lot of bombast of late is pretty good, in my opinion. I also think it's going to be a long waiting game with these guys, but I think waiting is far better than an escalation in hostilities, which is all we saw in the past eight years (after the 'Axis of Evil' comment in particular).
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SuperLib
Like I care what you think.
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SuperLib
You boys never miss a chance, do you?
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yabits
I don't have much of a problem with Iran having its fist still clenched towards the United States over the next few years. After all, the process by which the Iranians felt they needed to keep it clenched has lasted generations and led to the Islamic Revolution -- which approaches its 30th anniversary this month. I see more of a problem with Americans doing a month-by-month check to see if the fist is clenched and making snap decisions as a result. This type of short-term thinking reflects an endemic, self-defeating approach by so many of my fellow Americans.
There are a few points that should be considered with Iran. First is the acceptance that liberal democracy is at the opposite end of the spectrum from Islamic theocracy. The concept of the separation of church and state -- a core principle of liberal democracy -- is alien to Islamic hardline thinking. (It is treated with some hostility by religious fundamentalists among the American conservative movement too.)
Second is Iran's difficult balance in keeping the identity of the 1979 revolution intact while slowly opening up to the outside world. Signs of hope in this regard is the 16-year period from 1985 to 2005, when Iran's presidency was held by two men (Rafsanjani and Khatami) who nudged it away from the extreme hard-line approach of the revolution's key ideological founder. The democratic election of the current president is very much a response to a trend that many Iranians felt was going too far too fast.
Third is the realization that nations like Turkey, Malaysia, and China may have a lot more influence over Iran than the US over the next decade. The first two are nations that are predominantly Moslem, but have made great strides in reconciling Islam with modernization. China, because it underwent a revolution that was every much as hardline in its ideology as Iran's, but has demonstrated that close ties with the United States is a key ingredient to economic development and prosperity.
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yabits
This is very true, Likeitis.
US history with Iran follows a classic pattern of undermining the democratic, nationlizing forces within another nation, lending support to an overthrow and eventual takeover by a dictator, forming a close relationship with that dictator in order to gain preferred access to the nation's wealth of resources, and then making good use of the dollars sent to that nation (in exchange for resources) by selling the weaponry and means to keep the dictatorship in power.
This is largely how US policy has created the enemies necessary to keep the military-corporate complex fueled at home.
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likeitis
Well, you did respond to me. That suggests you do.
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VOR
ooooh, joe biden talking tough. did he mention he was from scranton. that will scare the Iranians.
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likeitis
Can you think of anything productive to do, besides "scare the Iranians"? Is that even "productive"?
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VOR
you'll have to ask the kid from scranton.
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Sarge
"the U.S. stands ready to take pre-emptive action against Iran"
Hope! Change!
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likeitis
We are not playing dodgeball today. YOU brought it up. What is your point?
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VOR
i made my point 8 hrs ago. what are you not able to comprehend?
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