Monday May 28, 2012

GOP, Democrats ready rival emergency debt plans

WASHINGTON —

With bipartisan debt-limit talks deadlocked, House Republicans and Senate Democrats readied rival emergency fallback plans Sunday in hopes of reassuring world financial markets the U.S. government will avoid an unprecedented default.

In a conference call, Speaker John Boehner summoned his conservative rank and file to swing behind a “new measure” that could clear both houses of Congress.

“It won’t be ‘Cut, Cap and Balance’ as we passed it,” he said, referring to a measure — killed in the Senate on Friday — that would have required spending cuts of an estimated $6 trillion as well as congressional approval of a constitutional balanced budget amendment for ratification by the states.

The new approach is “going to require some of you to make some sacrifices,” he added, according to a person familiar with his remarks.

Separately, President Barack Obama invited the two top congressional Democrats to a highly unusual White House meeting Sunday evening.

One of them, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, was at work on a Democratic fallback measure, too.

Without congressional action by Aug 2, the Treasury will be unable to pay all its bills, risking a default that could have severe consequences for the U.S. economy and the world’s, too.

Details of the rival plans were sketchy.

Republican officials said Boehner envisioned an increase in the nation’s debt limit by $1 trillion and slightly more than that in federal spending cuts, with the promise of additional progress on both sides of the ledger if Congress could agree.

Democratic officials said Reid was at work on legislation to raise the government’s debt limit by $2.4 trillion — enough to assure no recurrence of the current crisis until 2013 — and reduce spending by slightly more.

They said that plan envisioned no higher taxes.

Administration officials have stopped just short of promising to veto the approach Boehner outlined. Obama has also said for months any bill must include higher revenue.

The White House was largely consigned to a spectator’s role on a weekend that began with Boehner’s decision to call off talks with Obama.

But the president in the early evening began talks with Reid, House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and Vice President Joe Biden in the Oval Office.

Asked earlier what the administration’s plan was to avoid default, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said, “Our plan is to get Congress to raise the debt ceiling on time.”

The state of play veered between bipartisanship and brinkmanship on an issue of immense economic consequences.

Despite hours of compromise talks in the Capitol, lawmakers’ aides had so far been unable to agree on a two-step plan that would satisfy Obama’s demand for a large enough increase in the debt limit to tide the Treasury over until after the 2012 elections.

Interviewed on Fox, Boehner said, “I would prefer to have a bipartisan approach to solve this problem. If that is not possible, I and my Republican colleagues in the House are prepared to move on our own.”

He arranged to brief the Republican rank and file on a conference call late in the day.

It was unclear when Reid would disclose details of his own plan.

The officials who described the rival fallback plans spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the issue.

Boehner’s plan, still under negotiation on Capitol Hill, is intended to get the nation beyond this crisis and snag enough votes from House Republicans who won’t raise the debt limit without spending cuts, too.

Deeper and more complex reductions in the nation’s deficits would be part of the deal, but under later timelines.

White House chief of staff William Daley said Obama was insisting that any package must expand the debt ceiling beyond the next presidential and congressional elections and into 2013 to provide economic certainty. Daley said anything short of that would be a gimmick and prompt the world to say: “These people just can’t get their act together.”

White House and congressional leaders talked past each other on the Sunday TV shows as negotiations unfolded in secrecy.

“There will be a two-stage process. It’s just not physically possible to do all of this in one step,” Boehner said. “I know the president is worried about his next election. But, my God, shouldn’t he be worried about the country?”

Republican leaders called their rank and file back to Washington earlier than expected for the new work week and set a mid-afternoon Monday meeting to go over the debt-limit legislation.

With an eye on the financial markets, Geithner insisted anew the United States would not default.

“It’s just unthinkable,” Geithner said. “We never do that. It’s not going to happen.”

The debt deal-making has consumed Washington for weeks and has put on display a government that at times risks utter dysfunction.

Even after talks about between Obama and Boehner broke down in spectacular fashion Friday, Geithner said the two men were still negotiating.

He also suggested the ambitious framework the two leaders had discussed, targeting a deficit reduction of $4 trillion, remained under consideration.

“I don’t know. It may be pretty hard to put Humpty Dumpty back together again,” Boehner said of that grand plan. “But my last offer is still out there. I have never taken my last offer off of the table and they never agreed to my last offer.”

That last offer included $800 billion in new tax revenues as part of a broad overhaul that would lower tax rates. Obama wanted $400 billion more in tax revenue for deficit reduction to help balance out the spending cuts. Or, if not that, a reduction in some of the proposed cuts being discussed to entitlement programs such as Medicare.

The talks halted primarily over that issue and over how to ensure that both parties kept their reform promises in the months ahead.

Any plan must get through the Democratic-run Senate, where Majority Leader Reid has called a short-term debt limit expansion unacceptable.

Obama’s role looms, too.

Asked if Obama would veto a plan that did not extend the government’s borrowing authority into 2013, Daley said, “Yes.”

Under any scenario, Washington’s leaders have run themselves almost out of time.

It will take days to move legislation through Congress. A default could cause catastrophic damage to the standing and the economy of the United States.

Daley said, in fact, the consequences are already taking hold.

“I don’t think there’s any question there’s been enormous damage done to our creditworthiness around the world,” Daley said.

Boehner appeared on “Fox News Sunday.” Geithner was on Fox, ABC’s “This Week” and CNN’s “State of the Union.” Daley and Coburn spoke on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” and Daley also appeared on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

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  • 1

    Triumvere

    I am thunderstruck here. I usually don't go in for hysterical doomsday predictions, but defaulting will serious be a financial armaggeddon. We often talk about the decline of the US on the world stage, but if we default the process will be massively accelerated. We will become a second rate power. Our credit system will collapse. It's already hard enough to find a job, it will be impossible after a default. On a personal level, I - who am looking at taking out loans to go back to school - will see my future ruined. It is absolutely shocking that Congress is playing chicken with the debt ceiling. Yes, we need to cut spending. Yes, we can't go on borrowing forever. Yes, we are putting our childrens' future at risk. But if we default there is no future - or rather, the future is a second great depression which will make the current economic crisis look like a joke. Any reasonable person can see that we A) need to cut spending and B) need to raise taxes. That's all there is to it. The idea that you can get away with out doing one, or worse, both is a total fantasy. But more and more, people kowtow to strict, unchanging, ideologies and refuse to live in the real world. If the politicians don't get their heads out of their assess soon, our country is doomed.

  • 0

    BreitbartVictorious

    Obama is AWOL. Soros had a stroke?

  • 0

    Serrano

    "Our credit system will collapse"

    Maybe then people will stop buying stuff before they have the money to buy the stuff, lol.

  • 2

    chewitup

    The U.S. seems to be run by children.

  • 0

    TumbleDry

    This is a great chicken game and the road is the 2012 election.

  • 1

    tkoind2

    Serrano, Triumvere isn't talking about personal credit. He is talking about the credit system that enables the government and economy to keep money moving around for everything.

    I don't think people realize how close to a global great depression we came in 2008-2009. Or how precarious things have remained despite a modest recovery. People are still out of work and business is still unstable. This default would potentially throw the entire economy off its feet for real this time. Resulting in a second Great Depression that could make the first one look like a fun filled few years of unrestricted partying.

    We have to start looking at hard decisions. 1. Raise taxes. 2. Cut spending. But at the same time we need to shift other spending to help create a 21st century New Deal to get business moving, people working and help build a stronger base of tax paying working families.

    Failure here could mean far greater pain than having to worry about a few taxes.

  • 0

    Wolfpack

    Boehner: GOP ready to act alone on debt deal

    I hope so - President Obama doesn't have a clue much less a plan.

  • 0

    tkoind2

    Wolfpack. To be 100% fair. Neither party in the US has a clue! Both are hopelessly entrenched in backwards ideologies and both fail to deal with the needs of the American people.

  • 0

    paulinusa

    "The new approach is “going to require some of you to make some sacrifices,” he added, according to a person familiar with his remarks"

    Interesting. We'll see what these "sacrifices" will amount to.

  • 0

    Virtuoso

    All three branches of the US government have let the people down. Nothing short of a huge mob with burning torches and pitchforks is going to have any effect on the gridlock in Washington. The solution would be to erect several guillotines on the mall in front of the Lincoln Memorial and issue an 48-hour ultimatum to all elected officials that if they allow the US to default, their heads will be taken in collateral.

  • -3

    BreitbartVictorious

    tkoind

    To be 100% fair. Neither party in the US has a clue! Both are hopelessly entrenched in backwards ideologies and both fail to deal with the needs of the American people.

    Don't stop there. Tell us what you think the present system should be replaced with. I'm guessing it involves central planning, by an elite, and re-education for those who won't go along.

  • -1

    smithinjapan

    The more I look at this and politics here in Japan the more I think 'democracy' simply doesn't work. It's a good idea, but once the politicians are in office all they do is go against each other and nothing moves. Of course I don't think a totalitarian government, dictatorship, or autocracy are better alternatives, but this is getting more and more ridiculous by the year.

  • -5

    BreitbartVictorious

    Latest reports are that both parties got the petulant little brat out of the room and onto the golf course while they put together something for the weary American public.

  • 0

    BreitbartVictorious

    smithinjapan:

    The more I look at this and politics here in Japan the more I think 'democracy' simply doesn't work.

    The word 'democracy' does not appear in the US Constitution.

  • 0

    Laguna

    So Boehner says the new approach is “going to require some of you to make some sacrifices” - "you" meaning his caucus who giggle and give him the finger whenever he tries to get them to cooperate. Good luck with that, big boy.

    "The White House was largely consigned to a spectator’s role on a weekend that began with Boehner’s decision to call off talks with Obama." Some on this board don't seem to understand that it is Congress that must pass legislation, not the president. If the Republicans refuse to talk with the president, there is not much he can do.

    “I know the president is worried about his next election. But, my God, shouldn’t he be worried about the country?” whines Boehner - this coming from the party that declares certainty in the business community is required for economic recovery. Consistency is not a characteristic of the current Republican party. Having this exact same debate in the middle of a presidential election would be, to put it mildly, imprudent.

    Poor little Boehner. I can imagine him crying himself to bed on his pillow each night, knowing that his caucus doesn't pay attention to him and he's making people mad. In the end, it'll work out like healthcare: the Republicans have demanded 100% and will get nothing. Fools, but dangerous ones.

  • 0

    bass4funk

    @Breitbart

    Obama is AWOL. Soros had a stroke?

    Good one!

  • 0

    BreitbartVictorious

    Poor little Boehner. I can imagine him crying himself to bed on his pillow each night, knowing that his caucus doesn't pay attention to him and he's making people mad.

    Latest CNN poll - not Fox - has Boehner as the most 'popular' player in this. Obama's unfavorable rating has hit its highest - 54 percent. And those are results from CNN viewers. It ain't Boehner who's crying.

  • 0

    zurcronium

    This manufactured crisis is now spiraling out of control. The republicans are using weapons of financial destruction against their own country, attacking it like OBL did on 9-11. It is criminal, but really nothing new as criminality is the essence of the republican party. Example A is the illegal Iraq war. This is all about keeping the Kenyan President to one term so the inmates can run the asylum again.

  • 0

    BreitbartVictorious

    The republicans are using weapons of financial destruction against their own country, attacking it like OBL did on 9-11.

    Another topic where zurcronium tries to liken anyone who opposes Obama to terrorists. Yawn. It doesn't work for Chrissy Mathews either.

  • 0

    Laguna

    Zurcronium, you're not the first to mention that. Google "Blazing Saddles strategy" for a surprisingly large number of hits: "Give us what we want or the economy gets it!"

  • 0

    BreitbartVictorious

    Google "Blazing Saddles strategy" for a surprisingly large number of hits: "Give us what we want or the economy gets it!"

    And then google Cloward-Piven strategy.

  • -1

    Laguna

    Some believe a Beck University degree is a degree. Google "Cloward-Piven strategy" "Glenn Beck" to see from which backwater comes this Kool-Aid that the Tea Partiers are drinking.

  • 0

    Triumvere

    It ain't Boehner who's crying.

    He will be if we default. Along with the rest of us.

  • 0

    Lieberman2012

    As a registered Democrat, i have to agree with Vermont senator Bernie Sanders. President Obama needs to face a progressive challenger in the primaries. A real progressive.

  • 0

    Serrano

    Breaking news: President Obama has entered the Matrix in a last-ditch attempt to save the U.S. economy...

  • 0

    Lieberman2012

    gold has hit a record 1600/;oz.

    Obama is architect of a new great Depression.

  • 0

    BreitbartVictorious

    Some believe a Beck University degree is a degree. Google "Cloward-Piven strategy" "Glenn Beck" to see from which backwater comes this Kool-Aid that the Tea Partiers are drinking.

    Vintage Saul Alinsky. You know it. I know it.

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