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Monday 15th September, 07:03 AM JST

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Nessie at 10:43 AM JST - 16th September

So, in the spirit of 'You're either with us or agin us', dinosaurs in the Republican Party (and elsewhere) who disagree with Obama on age-appropriate sex education in kindergarten are by definition people who don't want kindergarteners to know how to protect themselves from sexual predators.

God will protect them, Cleo, like he protects altar boys.
HankHillUSA at 10:46 AM JST - 16th September

cleo; Nobody in the Republican party has stated what you claim. Your attempts at smearing the peoples party are laughable, you are not even an American.

Obama has been vile in his accusations towards Palin and McCain. I have yet to see anything negative from the McCain camp, that was not 100% truthfull.
goodDonkey at 10:51 AM JST - 16th September

cleo

It is very important for me to hear someone like you speak words of wisdom and recognize the need to be honest. I get weary from the constant battle of words. I feel very strongly about giving kids the best chance to survive and thrive in life. I know kids can get emotionally damaged from having sex at an early age no matter how protected they are physically from disease and early pregnancy. A kid can choose to have sex or be pressured into having sex and then just get used by the other person and if they are not emotionally stable it can have an adverse effect on the rest of their lives. I do not want to promote sex. But we can try our hardest to protect them physically if they fail to make ideal choices. I believe we have disagreed in the past about open sexual conduct. I recall an article on JT about a couple on a plane who were acting more explicit than you would care to accept without the steward or stewardess having the authority to end such conduct. I did not believe they should have had the right to intervene. I don't enjoy such conduct and I find it annoying but I think they should be able to act stupid. My point is that I know you are more modest and would allow greater social restraint. It is all that much more meaningful to me that you recognize efforts to provide information that may end up being the last resort to saving kids lives. On factcheck.org they outline how McCain was being dishonest:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/offbaseonsexed.html

It is clear that the proposed legislation gives the parents the right of refusal. They can prevent their child from being exposed to any such information. It was written into the legislation Obama proposed. I also want to say that I would never carry on in public in anyway but a quick kiss, holding hands, a hug or an arm draped around a shoulder. I am very permissive of others though because I think one can tell a child that "those adults over there are acting inappropriatly and I hope you never act that way in public."

I won't lie either I wish all kids at least by the age of 12 were given contraceptive advice. But I think in the end parents should have the right to object to such information. I have two simple concerns. I don't want kids bringing babies into this world. Also I don't want kids to catch diseases that can shorten their lives. I have always thought kids should be told about predators at an early age. The legislation Obama proposed is available for anyone to analyze on the factcheck.org address I provided.

Once again here is the Republican platform position:

We renew our call for replacing "family planning" programs for teens with increased funding for abstinence education, which teaches abstinence until marriage as the responsible and expected standard of behavior. Abstinence from sexual activity is the only protection that is 100 percent effective against out-ofwedlock pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV/AIDS when transmitted sexually. We oppose school-based clinics that provide referrals, counseling, and related services for abortion and contraception.

I put "provide referrals" in bold text because they not only want to prevent the school from mentioning contraception they also do not want to allow them to be free to tell them where they could get additional information.
moderateguy2008 at 11:35 AM JST - 16th September

Obama is negative , his advisers are negative and so are his supporters, like the ill informed bunch on this site. Hahahaha.
Taka313 at 11:53 AM JST - 16th September

Regarding negative campaigning:

http://www.flapolitics.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=17555C55CBBFDFFA07907A0466F0D90E?diaryId=3075

Push-polling was used to imply Sen. McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child in 2000.

I'm very curious to see if candidate mccain will denounce this.

Taka
cleo at 12:17 PM JST - 16th September

Nobody in the Republican party has stated what you claim.

So they agree with Obama's idea of age-appropriate sex-ed in kindergarten? OK. That's good.

Your attempts at smearing the peoples party are laughable, you are not even an American.

Hmmm, not attempting to 'smear' anybody. But you're right, darn silly of me to forget that only Americans are interested in good education for kids. Duh.
DanManjt at 12:20 PM JST - 16th September

*Sorry, but Obama's the one who said "It's the right thing to do" concerning sex education for kindergarteners. *

Liar. Have you no shame?
Sarge at 05:10 PM JST - 16th September

Heck, Obama's been running negative ads since the end of 2007 with his ad bashing Edwards' and Hillary's healthcare plans.

goodDonkey - Students should be studying, not having sex, no? It's not the responsiblity of schools to provide students with condoms. Heck, my school didn't.
Nessie at 05:49 PM JST - 16th September

Good one, Taka.

**If Taka were an incestuous Satan-worshipper who mocked God-fearing Republicans who want to have the freedom to teach about the Intelligent Design/Evolutionismism controversy, would that influence your support for him as a candidate positively, or nagatively? **

Hew, it's just a hypothetical question.
Sarge at 08:54 PM JST - 16th September

DanMan - Nov. 20, 2007 - Barack Obama, speaking at a Planned Parenthood event, said this about Alan Keyes, who was his opponent in the 2004 Senate race: "I remember him, uh, using this in his campaign against me, saying, "Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners." ( laughter ) And you know, which -- I didn't know what to tell him. But it's the right thing to do, to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools."

Watch the video at http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3386492

OK, now apologize for calling me a liar.
Taka313 at 09:36 PM JST - 16th September

sarge,

Leaving out the age-appropriate part won't earn you a big "S" and I doubt it will get you an apology.

Perhaps the mccain camp will send you a cookie however. So...there is that.

Taka

Moderator: Please address other posters by their correct user names.
Sarge at 09:49 PM JST - 16th September

Taka313 - Apparently, you can't read. For cryin' out loud, re-read my 8:54PM post.

By the way, as you can see, I've decided to once again extend you the courtesy of using your handle, Taka313, with a capital "T," even though you continue to act like a little kid and refuse to extend me the courtesy of using my handle, Sarge, spelled with a capital "S" and instead use a small "s" in a pathetic attempt to belittle me. You know, as they say in the military, "That's gonna reflect, son."
Sarge at 09:51 PM JST - 16th September

And another thing - apparently Obama thinks age-appropriate sex education includes kindergarteners.
Nessie at 03:50 PM JST - 17th September

What's this I hear about the Democrat plan to teach streetwalking to pre-schoolers?
goodDonkey at 06:25 PM JST - 17th September

What's this I hear about the Democrat plan to teach streetwalking to pre-schoolers?

Oh that is too funny.

Hello?

Yes, hello, I wonder if you would mind taking a survey?

Ah, sure I guess.

Would you vote for Obama if you knew he was placing condoms in the hands of infants in nurseries in hospitals across the nation?