S Carolina shooter feared 12-year-old trick-or-treater was robber, police say

Sunday 02nd November, 03:24 AM JST

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CavemanLawyer at 07:27 PM JST - 2nd November

Yes, let them walk everywhere instead.

And you accuse me of just trying to get a rise out of others??? I did not say trick or treating should gone on totally unsupervised nor saying anything remotely suggesting that.
CavemanLawyer at 07:31 PM JST - 2nd November

American's will never amend the Constitution and give up their ability to defend themselves.

You never heard of swords? Knives? Clubs? Fists? Dogs? Bars on the windows? There are lots of ways to defend oneself in a country without guns.

Heck, a simple "No trespassing" would have prevented this tragedy. Instead, this moron also seems to have thought his only option for self-defense was a gun.
CavemanLawyer at 07:40 PM JST - 2nd November

if the 12yr old was packing some heat he could have defended himself.

Oh! That is just brilliant! A shoot out on the front porch is somehow the same as no one drawing a gun at all!

Maybe math is not your strong suit, but more bullets tends to equal more death. But I think its pretty obvious the kid never would have gotten his gun out in time. Maybe his dad would have gotten a gun out after his son was dead, but that too just equals more dead people. How can you possibly not see these things?
cleo at 07:41 PM JST - 2nd November

We still have a tendency to want to kill each other.

There's that we again. Who is 'we'? I no more have a tendency to want to kill anybody than I have a history of smoking dope, nor do the people I interact with every day. Count me/us out of that 'we'. If you're saying that Americans have an 8-fold greater tendency to kill and should therefore be given the means to do so more easily, ie guns instead of knives or bare hands, then we're obviously looking at the problem from completely different perspectives.

Your argument is a bit like saying, If you stand out in the pouring rain you're definitely going to get wet so there's no point putting a roof on your house or even considering the use of an umbrella, because at some point it might leak and you'll still be wet.
CavemanLawyer at 07:50 PM JST - 2nd November

So do you think that banning guns would actually stop him from having one, since, I am sure he was aware of the law, and did not go to a licensed gun dealer to buy one.

So what you are saying is that it is just as easy to get water in a desert as it is in an ocean?

Japanese criminals have more trouble getting guns simply because they are so hard to find here. Some yaks have them, but not a drug addled idiot like the guy we have here. America is swimming in guns, therefore even those who should not have them are getting them.

But there is another reason why criminals and idiots here generally do not have guns: they simply do not need them. Since nobody else has a gun, they don't see the need to get one themselves. --Cirroc
CavemanLawyer at 07:53 PM JST - 2nd November

He told Ms Pee to run with the 7,500 bucks.

Actually, I think she was hurrying to use the money to get a legal name change before the story hit the press. --Cirroc
CavemanLawyer at 10:10 PM JST - 2nd November

I also know that in some countries, Britain I believe was one that crime went up after banning guns.

There is this little thing I have called a "list of priorities". On that list, I have "number of unnecessary deaths" placed before "crime rates". See, I would rather have 10 people robbed than one person dead. Do you have one of these lists too? Is yours different?
VOR at 12:28 AM JST - 3rd November

the anti gun crowd keeps ignoring the fact that no matter what laws are passed bad people break laws. it is sheer stupidity to think that once a law banning guns is passed, all these weapons just magically disappear.

the day the government comes for my weapons is the day I no longer allow the government to dictate what I can and can not do.
Helter_Skelter at 06:29 AM JST - 3rd November

I don't believe a ban on guns is going to prevent criminals from obtaining them. Neither do I have a blind trust in the government like the libs, that it's always going to protect my safety and rights.
SezWho2 at 09:00 AM JST - 3rd November

VOR,

I don't think anyone believes that guns will magically disappear once a law banning guns is passed. I think the magical thinkers are those who believe that 12-year old trick-or-treaters will not be shot when the criminals are all caught and only responsible gun-users remain.
SezWho2 at 09:07 AM JST - 3rd November

Neither do I have a blind trust in the government like the libs....

Liberals are precisely people who do not have a blind trust in government. In fact, you might say they have a fundamental distrust of government. That is why they are not content with a government's claim of a right to keep secrets.

At the same time, they also believe that the government's charge is to help secure the best possible conditions for all its citizens. And they tend to find 10,000+ gun deaths and dead trick-or-treaters as being incongruent to that task.
Nessie at 10:41 AM JST - 3rd November

I no more have a tendency to want to kill anybody than I have a history of smoking dope

An evasion worthy of a lawyer, Cleo. ;)
cleo at 10:53 AM JST - 3rd November

...but it was intended as a clear-cut statement of fact and a demand that I be excluded from Alphaape's 'we'.....

But I can see how the plesiosaur mind might take it....

touché Nessie!

:-)
sdmsec at 11:20 AM JST - 3rd November

Sounds like this punk was expecting someone to come looking for that money.

By the way, as an ex-con their are already laws that ban him from owning a firearm. In other words, the gun laws were ineffective here as I expect they would be if applied universally.

Besides empowering criminals a universal gun ban would also allow our federal government to trample our rights even worse than they're doing right now. Liberals and conservatives alike should be united in securing the means to "dare defend our rights" against a repressive government - its in our blood after all.
frontandcentre at 01:49 PM JST - 4th November

Helter Skelter - the voice of reason as ever! "isolated tragic incident"

How many people die in gun crime and accidents on a daily basis in the States ? In the tens of people I believe, so it's not an "isolated tragic accident" at all. There is absolutely NO reason for someone to have an AK-47 assault rifle at home, especially a convicted felon with a drug problem. With a handgun, he'd still have been a danger, but would probably have missed.

Well Quentin Patrick, gun toting moron, off to jail for you for the rest of your life until you die. Bye.