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Brown blames U.S. over Iraq reconstruction errors

World Mar. 06, 2010 - 04:38AM JST ( 17 )

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some14someMar. 06, 2010 - 08:12AM JST

X times B : Brown Blaming, Bullying, Blair, Bush...no full stop !
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smithinjapanMar. 06, 2010 - 12:46PM JST

The war was not in the least bit justified, and saying, "It was justified, but then we knew it would be chaos after" is just absurd.
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stevecpfcMar. 06, 2010 - 12:58PM JST

smithinjapan, Brown is a dithering bully boy who blames others for his errors. British people who followed the events know full well he was fully involved with poodle Blair regarding all decisions.

Bloke will most probably be out of power come May anyway.
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SargeMar. 06, 2010 - 01:54PM JST

"The war was not in the least bit justified"

True, that. Saddam Hussein should have been allowed to continue his rule.
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sf2kMar. 06, 2010 - 02:10PM JST

Iraq is a sovereign country regardless of how badly it was run, and there was no justification for an aggressive war. Mugabe in Africa, how about Burma, and other tinpot dictators worldwide? In that logic all should have been overthrown, but I don't see any US troops there. They don't have oil. So much for principle.

As oil dwindles soon enough we'll revisit these issues again.
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M51TMar. 06, 2010 - 03:13PM JST

"True, that. Saddam Hussein should have been allowed to continue his rule."

Mugabe in Zimbabwe? At the very least the U.S. should be consistent.
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smithinjapanMar. 06, 2010 - 03:18PM JST

sarge: "True, that. Saddam Hussein should have been allowed to continue his rule."

Things would certainly be more stable, as has been evident for some time. And anyway, sargie, the old, "we removed an evil dictator so it's good" doesn't fly when you look at all the evil dictators in the world (but we all know they have no oil). You know that, bud... not sure why you keep trying to flog the same old dead horses. Denial is a horrible thing.

stevecpfc: I'm not disagreeing with you on Brown, and in fact I pointed out his paradoxical remark earlier, but the fact still remains the war was wrong from the get-go, and even GWB said, when looking back on his presidency, he regretted it (quickly retracted that statement, but hey). Hell, even a lot of the die-hard fans of the war, sarge excepted, admit it was the wrong thing to do (and quickly follow it with, "but now we are there, so what do we do?").
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smithinjapanMar. 06, 2010 - 03:30PM JST

M51T: "Mugabe in Zimbabwe? At the very least the U.S. should be consistent."

Shhhh... they don't like it when you point that out to them, or mention Kim Jong-Il, etc. Apparently Saddam was the only evil man in the world. Anyway, you can't ask leaders who started this and try to cover their backsides by saying the war was justified to actually be capable of consistency... or their die-hard fans for that matter.
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Gombei424CanadaMar. 06, 2010 - 04:21PM JST

Well, my friends, something that is too funny is seeing the few deadenders,the few remaining supporters here of bush, try to defend the illegal innvasion of Iraq,which was a sovereign nation.From the get-go I warned everyone(and not just my students) who would listen. It is hard being so much more clever than other people.When I point out that Mugabe is ALSO a dictator of a strategically located country that could choke off world trade and he has also used chemical weapons on his own citizens and has liquidated hundreds of thousands of his opponents and sponsored terror BUT the US has NOT brought freedumb [sarcasm] to HIS country do the wingers have an answer for that? Of course they don't! Well, anyways, tis sad that the oil has been successfully stolen from Iraq by bush's oily pals who didn't let any other nations, except China,Malaysia,Holland and France,win bids for the oil.Big Oil in America didn7t get ANY of the oil ha ha ha ha, too funny! This war was not in the least ever justified, and saying "It was justified, but then we knew it would be chaos after" ,well, it's disgusting!

sfk2:"As oil dwindles soon enough we'll revisit these issues again."

Bingo!We know what it will be, it will be Vietnam 3.

Sigh.

Well kiddies, here finisheth my lesson.
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SargeMar. 06, 2010 - 07:42PM JST

Gombei at 4:21 PM - Good one.
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SuperLibMar. 06, 2010 - 09:05PM JST

I'm with the Europeans and Canadians. The more dictators, the better.
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SargeMar. 06, 2010 - 09:14PM JST

SuperLib at 9:05 PM - Good one.
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graftonMar. 06, 2010 - 09:58PM JST

There is a game that political parties play of putting losers in control when they are trying to either protect the out going leader or deliberately lose the next election. The game however sometimes backfires, it did when the Conservatives put John Major in has leader of the party believing they would lose the next election and then screwed up by winning with a clown as leader. Labour did something similar with Gordon Brown, it was his job to make Blair look good, a near impossible task you would think, but having seen Brown’s performance most would say he did his job well. The end result is that nobody in the UK listens to a word this man says and if they do hear him they don’t believe what he says. It would be nice to say that he will soon be replaced by someone better, sadly that isn’t true, but so long as he goes it really doesn’t matter who replaces him.
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sf2kMar. 07, 2010 - 04:50AM JST

Sarge/SuperLib. Arguing with me is not attributing things I didn't say and then saying ah ha. That's childish Internet denier tactic. No milk and cookies for you.

For the UK this has been a good lesson and it will be a while before waging war is considered again. That's about the only good from it sorry to say. How many UK soldiers lost in Iraq/Afghanistan? Canada continues to lose many and Canadians want to get out ASAP. It's clear that no lasting change will occur and all have died in vain. If we really wanted to affect change in the world then the real targets should have been action. At least there would have been a purpose.

Gombei

Bingo!We know what it will be, it will be Vietnam 3

Naw, that takes fuel. When the world runs out of gasoline/diesel there's very little a standing army navy and airforce is going to be able to do. USA only has 91 days of oil reserve. So unless they're going to topple Grenada again, no wars after Peak Oil. Thus whatever happens in the Middle East, will stay there. And not in a cute way.
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sf2kMar. 07, 2010 - 04:59AM JST

Once the townies are back in control there's very little influence you are going to have in a far off country. That's why no matter how bad it gets, Iraq is a sovereign country of its own citizens. They have to work it out.

UK is in a real bind. No oil left in the NorthSea and Russia squeezing gas imports. The promises of oil matched 100 years of UK action in the Middle East but this is a noted failure. Truly the end of empire.

However like Japan, the UK is surrounded by water, so can get into hydrothermal generation, using the cooler water as airconditioning thus removing the need for much electrical generation and thus gas fired plants. It's not zero of course, but the massive increase in efficiency is only possible by living near water. No drilling just tubes and boats and then a heatpump. Check. Japan and UK fit that bill nicely, and not even including geothermal possibilities. (5m down anywhere it's 12C, there's your airconditioning. Save your money).

UK has a real carbon footprint movement so I hope they look at Deep Lake Water Cooling here in Toronto. Could reduce the need to go off on adventures in oil in the future.