Bush intends to punish Moscow for invading Georgia

Friday 05th September, 06:37 AM JST

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cracaphat at 09:49 PM JST - 5th September

Bush,like most of his party supporters is out of touch.He is so lame duck and hot air like his fellow repubs here.
Sarge at 09:55 PM JST - 5th September

cracphat: "Bush, like most of his party supporters is out of touch. He is so lame duck and hot air like his fellow repubs here."

Hot air would be that post. Get ready for President McCain and Vice President Palin.
NetteMarie at 10:38 PM JST - 5th September

LOL, Bush with a over spent military is threatening Russia!?

A tiny country with old missiles that can't even shot passed it's borders is one thing, i.e. Iraq. But Russia?

I will apply to the EU as refugee if there is another 4 years of Republican heavy-but-empty-handed stupidity.
Sarge at 10:48 PM JST - 5th September

NetteMarie: "Bush with a(n) over spent military is threatening Russia!?"

We've still got plenty for the Russkies to worry about. But Bush isn't threatening military action.

"I will apply to the EU as ( a ) refugee if there is another 4 years of Republican heavy-but-empty-handed stupidity."

More like 4 more years of Republican resolve. You might as well go ahead and make that application to the EU.
NetteMarie at 11:01 PM JST - 5th September

I will start Sarge.

I love military guys. You have to love war though, don't you? It keeps you employed. I heard that you can get a $10,000 bonus for staying in Iraq more than a year.

We've still got plenty for the Russkies to worry about. But Bush isn't threatening military action.

He can't threaten military action. The only way we would have enough for the Russkies to worry about is if there was a draft.

Resolve...if a person decides to burn down their house and nearly succeeds while burning down your house. Would you be angry?
Good_Jorb at 11:23 PM JST - 5th September

Bush might be a complete idiot, but his puppeteers are smart. Seems to me they want a new cold war.

You are giving Bush and his "puppeteers" all the credit for something that is not entirely of thier own doing. Russia under the guidance of Putin seems equally as willing to push themselves towards a cold war with the world(or at least the "Western World". But hey, Putin isn't Bush and Russia isn't America, so it's ok that Russia acts the way it does, even if it's wrong.

He has lost any moral authority to make such statements

Whether or not Bush/America has the moral authority to say or actually punish Russia is not the point. The fact is that Russia should be punished for what it did (something similiar to self-defence vs. excessive force). Putin could turn around and say that America should be punished for what it did in Iraq and I would have no problem with that. Even though Putin is guilty of the same actions as Bush. A truism is true no matter who says it.
adaydream at 11:33 PM JST - 5th September

Wa-a-a-a-a Wa-a-a-a-a Wa-a-a-a-a, george bush crying and being the bad ass that he really wishes he was.

Wave good-bye george. you're on you're way out.

But don't forget that John McCain is waving his little fist. He didlikes Russia more then you. He'll think about punishing Moscow until he loses the elections.

Then Barack will inherit the mess. < :-)
Nessie at 11:56 PM JST - 5th September

Anyone know what Congress' position on this is?

Supine, if recent history is any indication.
cracaphat at 12:08 AM JST - 6th September

The value of the presidency Sarge has become so diminished that your Repubs are pimping out a 72 year old that got beat by Bush 8 years ago for the nomination.Since Mc Cane and Reagan were the same age,are you saying that Mc Cane is the second coming of RR ? Think carefully now.
TonyUS at 06:06 AM JST - 6th September

Aday. then let us hope Obama wil tell Russia we have no need for them and to kiss our ass and arm our friends with the weapons they need to give Russian forces the cassualties they deserve. Hope you are not standing there with the Russian forces.
TonyUS at 07:04 AM JST - 6th September

Beside ADAY.. all should be waving their fist at Russia because what they have done is support separatists of Georgia.

That is wrong. Georgia is not Russia so Russia should have nothing to do with Georgia's peoples decisions. You still try and forget this main item. Georgia is not Russia and Georgia is a country with borders that Russia is ignoring!!!! Everyone tries to stress diplomacy but not here when it comes to Russia. Georgia started nothing. Russia has been asserting itself in Georgia from the start.. You still try and over look the basis facts on this issue. Georgia is not part of Russia and Russia has no business controlling or trying to un-seat the Gregorian president or fight against the Georgian elected government. But again I hear the same old same old.. I think it is time to face the facts…I guess we will all see how it plays out because no matter what any of us says , WE are not going to change anything. But it does make one wonder why Russia does not want to help stop Iran from going nuclear along with there other military friend they have been building, China…
CavemanLawyer at 07:48 AM JST - 6th September

TonyUS,

The majority of people of S. Ossetia do not want to be part of Georgia. They want to be part of Russia. Are you saying they have no right to leave? If so, I suppose you advocate that the United States rip up the Declaration of Independence and submit itself to British rule?

Lines in the sand. When you talk about countries you are talking about lines in the sand. What matters is people and how they wish to be governed. Lines in the sand are made to serve people, not force them to stay in an unhappy marriage.

--Cirroc
CavemanLawyer at 08:12 AM JST - 6th September

Yet another poster who hints at secret cabals and multinationals "we all know" but can't deliver any names...

When you see the curtain shift, you know someone is back there. The newspapers do not print these people's names often enough. But when the bulk of U.S. newspapers are run by six men, that is not difficult to accomplish. And its just not possible for journalists to even know about a lot of the backroom stuff that goes on or who was present. You expect them to hide under the sofa or something?

I can only go off of the information I am given. Like the Japanese man who during WWII noticed in the papers that each new great victory got closer and closer to home, he knew the victories were lies, but he did not get ALL the details. The curtain moves. You know someone is back there. But you don't always know who.

Puppeteering a president is not a hard and fast science and I do not think control is limited to one man or one group. There are plenty of strings on the president. Sometimes they conflict. But when they work in concert, this is what you get. Sometimes its coincidence, sometimes its not, and sometimes they get just what they want. But this POTUS is dumb and trusting, one of the faithful fools. He is dependent on his "advisors" so much it is apt to call him puppet.

Now, I do not know exactly who was whispering in the POTUS ear with regards to Russia, Georgia, and S. Ossetia, but some well known puppeteers are Dick Cheney and Richard Perle and formerly, Karl Rove. Yeah, I know some names, but since I don't have a clue which it is this time, I cannot exactly make a clear accusation, can I? But hey, if you are wiretapping the Oval office and such, and know exactly what is going on, could you post those audio clips on the net for us?

--Cirroc
CavemanLawyer at 08:19 AM JST - 6th September

Russia under the guidance of Putin seems equally as willing to push themselves towards a cold war with the world(or at least the "Western World". But hey, Putin isn't Bush and Russia isn't America, so it's ok that Russia acts the way it does, even if it's wrong.

Russian troops were attacked. Do you expect them to sit on their hands? Yes, I know they over-reacted, but they were forced to react.

The fact is that Russia should be punished for what it did (something similiar to self-defence vs. excessive force).

That is fine as long as there is consistency. Remember who started this round of violence? Why do they get rewarded for starting it while Russia gets punished for excessive force? That is not consistent. I would reward neither nor punish either. What I would do is make sure the people of S. Ossetia get the government they want and try to keep Russia on that track and a slower pace than they are going now.

--Cirroc
TonyUS at 10:22 AM JST - 8th September

well cavemnan.. Sure the people FROM Russia can leave Georgia. I have said that, but not leave Georgia with the land to follow as I guess you are suggesting. I say they should make the plans to get out of the country if that is what they want and if Russia is so worried about them , help get them out. You may be for countries splitting because of differences and if that is your stand then you should also be for the rebels in Chechnya as being able to separate from Russia as well along with taking their land with them.

If you believe in separatists and changing borders of countries then you would have no problem with that situation as well, Will Russia let that happen? hell no! But with your theory of righteousness for people having what they want, you definitely would take that position of the rebels of Chechnya to go their own way as well with the condolences of Russian leaders..

But to force the country of Georgia to change its borders by big bad Russia against a small defenseless nation, which is what Georgia is compared to the force of Russia, is just giving into aggression. These people live in Georgia, saying they are Russian or not, I would be certain all residents of these areas are not all Russian and if you say they are then show me the statistics stating such, People of S. Ossetia are all Russians... I doubt that very much. But you did say the majority so big deal. It is still Georgia territory and if my state has the majority that does not want screw ball Bush as president does that give my state the right to put him out of office or split from the Union? No it does not and should not, as a whole we are a country and guided by an elected leader. When taking the population as a whole of a country , the majority rules and that catagorizes those living in S.Ossetia as pure seperatists, those that say are Russian while others are fine to be of Georgia and voted for the elected president of today. Your argument is based on nonsense!

Your argument is just that, an argument and just another twist on taking land mass from the country of Georgia. I guess as myself you can justify your own perspective with what ever it is that makes your brain believe your view is right.. I find your view just another excuse for Russia's forceful power upon another. For what reason I sure the hell do not know. Maybe you are a Putin fan or something, I see him as an ex KGB that has bad peddled on Democracy and rights and from the beginning has infringed upon the rights of the country of Georgia. I am sure there are Russian living throughout all of the Baltic regions and I guess you would back Russia moving in to claim all the areas these Russian have decided to live. This falls right into your post, so I guess it is a never ending adventure for Russia. Seems the eye on Ukraine may give us the answer.