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skipthesong at 10:40 AM JST - 12th August

sez, I only mentioned Buddhists because from what I know, they are the only one I haven't seen knocking on my door nor setting mandates in government.

I just believe that religion really hasn't bought any good onto the world. Whether you believe in god is not the issue for me. Its the grouping of thought, rules set, and methods of enforcement.
Personally, I don't think religions have any freedoms. This and that you are doomed to hell or death. It has also separated people even I keep hearing people that it brings people together. I think banning religions, but allowing you to believe in a god or what ever should suffice.
skipthesong at 10:43 AM JST - 12th August

Naruki: I read your post as I read others in equating the war on terror to the Christian crusades, who by which were no more than a few boys and fairy tales. I personally believe Islam wants to regain what was once theirs and I also believe that they would prefer the world to adhere to Muslim beliefs. I don't believe they are very much willing, if they had the upper hand, to live amongst others. Perhaps Christians are the same too. I just haven't seen much proof of that in my life.
Naruki_Oni at 12:02 PM JST - 12th August

skipthesong:

There is no such thing as a war on terror. That's marketing spin for "war on poor people who won't give us their money". You don't make war on desperate people fighting back the only way they can in order to stop them from fighting back. You stop attacking them to begin with.

There is no doubt Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq was all about money and power, as were, frankly, the Crusades. But he sells that to the gullible under the guise of pushing freedom, whereas the Crusades were supposedly pushing Christianity.

The chilling thing is that Bush is following the playbook laid out by Nazi leader Goering (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.asp). Skip to the bottom and read the quotes.

Bush IS a Christian, and he certainly uses his faith to justify his horrible actions to himself, his family, and his countrymen. And they, in turn, use their faith to believe him. Faith is belief in spite of facts, and this is why it is dangerous.

But he's also a war profiteer who is making money hand over fist. To him, this is probably God's way of saying he's right.

Christianity, being in control of most of the world, usually has no need to use overt attacks. They cause enough misery, suffering, and death simply by making or influencing laws.

Islam, a younger religion, has to fight harder to beat their rivals, or at least stop being bullied by them.

Both are filled with "people of faith", and that is what makes them dangerous.

I am all for freedom of religion, so long as it stays the heck out of government (and other public institutions). Bush is not only tearing down the wall of separation, he is doing his best to install religious people in high offices and devolve our country to some golden age that only exists in his head.
skipthesong at 01:46 PM JST - 12th August

Christianity, being in control of most of the world," No, Christianity is dead!

That's marketing spin for "war on poor people who won't give us their money"" No, having people follow religous rules is a war on poor people.

Islam, a younger religion, has to fight harder to beat their rivals, or at least stop being bullied by them." Well, you counter a great many posters here who tell me Islam is older than Judaism, which is why Jews should not be in Palestine. As far as them fighting harder, well, they are and they are doing quite well. They almost have every country tied up into believing theirs is a great and peaceful religion. China is the only country that has any sense in regards to this religion. And, I support them banning it.
Naruki_Oni at 02:17 PM JST - 12th August

Christianity is dead!

What a happy dream. Unfortunately, the reality is that Christians still make up approximately 33% of the world population, putting them more than 10% higher than the next closest competitor, Islam. (http://www.adherents.com/ReligionsByAdherents.html)

Islam older than Judaism? Who said something like that? How absurd! Judaism is the source of Islam! And Islam only started in the early 600s. That's AD, not before Christ. Islam is younger than Christianity.

But Islam is no different than any other cult. By cult, I mean religion. The difference between cult and religion seems to be membership size, not validity, so I just call them all cults until they can prove me wrong.

Islam hasn't fooled any country regarding its level of peace. Neither has Christianity or any other cult. Individuals may be fooled, but then again they are fooled into thinking the opposite, as well.

For example, the Bush Regime's war machine has done an excellent (i.e., perfectly immoral) job of demonizing Islam. Plenty of people think all Muslims are terrorists, despite living and working with many of them in peace and prosperity.

Did you read the link about Goering? You really should.
skipthesong at 02:31 PM JST - 12th August

Naruki,

wait, the above post almost looks as though you agree with me. But, then, "the Bush Regime's war machine has done an excellent (i.e., perfectly immoral) job of demonizing Islam. Plenty of people think all Muslims are terrorists, despite living and working with many of them in peace and prosperity." First of all, for a religion that advocates killing infidels and passing on fatwas they have done their own share of that stereotype. Additionally, there is no reason to hate a person because of their religion even if you hate their religion. I disagree with the 33% of the world being Christian. Islam holds all lands from the Mid Atlantic to South Pacific. Land mass wise they have all beat. Now, I don't know what Chinese think. Most Chinese I know are proud of China's recent advancements and those advancements have come with the absence of religion. If there is a small minority in areas of China that are backwards and feel oppressed, I would suggest don't go putting your hands around them and feeling sorry for them off the bat, which many many do. Perhaps it is they who really have the problem.

Why should China disrupt a perfect score on advancement and bring back religion? For those Falun gong members who are jailed, well that is like arguing whether or not devil worship should be legal or not.
undecidedbout08 at 02:32 PM JST - 12th August

There is no doubt Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq was all about money and power, as were, frankly, the Crusades.

If there is 'no doubt' could you post here some proof of what you assert?

How, exactly, did Bush make money? Power? He'll leave office and retire to his ranch.

Putin has set himself up as president for life - just like Saddam Hussein did.

If it was all about securing cheap Iraqi oil why has the price of oil skyrocketed? If people like you ("progressive", "liberal"?) saw it all coming why didn't the concerned and like-minded politicians who you vote for undercut Bush and the cabal that has supposedly benefited from the war in Iraq?
Naruki_Oni at 02:40 PM JST - 12th August

skip:

the above post almost looks as though you agree with me

Wow, it's almost like you read part of what I wrote for once.

Are you actually reading ANY of the links I gave you? I didn't make this stuff up.

If you aren't going to do even a tiny bit of easy fact-checking, you are not going to impress anybody as an honest participant in this discussion.

You are welcome to disagree with the links I supplied. Just supply some of your own. But at least show you've read them.
undecidedbout08 at 02:46 PM JST - 12th August

For example, the Bush Regime's war machine has done an excellent (i.e., perfectly immoral) job of demonizing Islam.

Again - can we get an example?
Naruki_Oni at 02:47 PM JST - 12th August

undecidedbout08:

I've already got a reply to you that you have ignored. Answer it, honestly.

If that topic can be resolved, then we can try this new topic you are bringing up.

But until you answer the previous one, you are just muckraking instead of discussing.
TRUTHxHURTS at 02:48 PM JST - 12th August

Undecidedbout08 What did GW do for your country ? How did he boost the economy ? How did he make a world a safer place ? What accomplishment did he do for the USA ? Please entertain me with your thoughts. The economy is destroyed. He didn't react quickly with Katrina. He sent the troops in the wrong direction by going into Iraq. Colon Powell went to the U.N. with false claims. (wimpy arrogant brainwashed conservative) Please tell me Ohhh Noble blogger. Please tell me your thoughts
undecidedbout08 at 02:54 PM JST - 12th August

I've already got a reply to you that you have ignored. Answer it, honestly.

No you haven't. How, exactly, has the Bush administration 'demonized' Islam?

truthXhurts - You're changing the subject.

What is this lie that Bush used? Don't try and blame Powell. Just get the facts and deliver.
skipthesong at 03:18 PM JST - 12th August

naruki: I'll look at the links. Very links usually change my mind. Please, I am not behind a PC and browsing links is a hassle.
Naruki_Oni at 04:27 PM JST - 12th August

undecidedbout08:

Don't lie, now. Check out the comment I made at 05:27 PM JST - 11th August:

undecidedbout08:

I did not say that a call for freedom is an act of oppression. How silly you sound!

I said that Bush's war on the people of Iraq in the false name of freedom is a particular type of oppression. (Unless you consider "freedom from life" to be freedom, in which I have nothing to say to you.)

I, who am not oppressing anyone at the moment, can freely criticize China for its actions.

Bush, on the other hand, is a terrible hypocrite to do so. Do you see the difference?

Now, are you going to answer that first comment? And tell the truth, this time.
Naruki_Oni at 04:42 PM JST - 12th August

skipthesong:

Are you posting from your cellphone? Ouch.

Even if you accept the links as true, I don't expect them to change your mind. Mainly because I'm not disagreeing with you as much as you seem to think.

I do expect them to broaden your perspective a bit, unless you simply reject them without a fair hearing. Hopefully you won't do that.

Take your time.