Most people would regard "going after" someone "oozing with hatred" as you claimed in your original post as an attack.
As usual, you move the goal posts when proven wrong. Oh well. Perhaps that's why you don't set criteria up front. Between that and limiting the outlets (NYT, MSNBC and CNN are the only outlets that matter?), you do your best to limit any substantive debate. In any case, I think most people would also regard ignoring requests for privacy and not leaving the daughter out of the campaign as a form of attack. Especially, as I noted before, there is no legitimate reason to focus on her other than to use her as leverage against her mother.
Funny how the Left is banking on Palin's daughter being pregnant wrecking McCain's chances... and forget that one of Dick Cheney's daughters is a lesbian. I've also noticed that the Left has stopped complaining about McCain's lobbyists since the Biden pick. Is that because they know one of Biden's sons is a lobbyist? Why didn't Obama just pick Hillary and guarantee the support of her voters?
The pick of Palin is sad in three ways for me. First it's blatant pandering to try to get some of the Hillary contingent's vote. Second, the overwhelming need to put a pro-life candidate on the ticket is annoying to pro-choice independents. McCain is already pro-life why not balance that and give us some re-assurance that canning Roe Vs. Wade won't be an administration push. Third she has no experience and no substance. I called a friend of mine in Alaska for his take which is as follows: She was elected governer because her opponent was corrupt and had fallen out of favor. As a former beauty queen and mayor she had enough name recognition in the Anchorage area to win the state. He also said his take was that she's a "sponge" (his words) that absorbs whoever she is politically allied with and has no real political convictions of her own. McCain should have picked Lieberman for the fact that they are long time friends both unloved by their parties and could run on a real "political outsider" ticket. Beyond that Lieberman is pro-choice one of the few areas he and McCain differ on.
Is it still physicaly possible for McCain to drop Palin and go with Liberman? Bit of a filp-flop I know, but the current choice seems to be doing more harm than good...
I said christianity, Whitehawk. And there are plenty of nasty things happened to homosexuals because of being homosexual in America, trust me.
" I don't suppose you were critical of Palin for letting her baby with Down's Syndrome be born instead of aborting the imperfection, were you?"
Isn't there some doubt that it is actually hers? And no, if the choice had been to me, the child would not have been born. It is, however, another reason I think her accepting the potential veep spot is totally in-appropriate.
Not only does she have a special-needs infant, but she also has an under-age daughter who is up the duff and in need of her parents.
Perhaps you can tell me where the real values are here?
Call me crazy, but if it were me, I'd be looking after my family instead of applying for a job that would have me doing 120 if not more hours a week.
"A recent report by the San Francisco-based Community United Against Violence bears out Falik's assertions. It found a rise of 11% in violence against the gay, lesbian and bisexual community between 1990 and 1991 in San Francisco. Nationally, between 1988 and 1991, these hate crimes have risen 161%. "
Yes, but no legitimate doubt. Just accusations from some Kos nutters.
And no, if the choice had been to me, the child would not have been born.
But I thought you were against all killing of any kind, including death penalties and self-defense.
Not only does she have a special-needs infant, but she also has an under-age daughter who is up the duff and in need of her parents.
She also has a family that helps with the load. Maybe it's only right-wing conservative families that help each other, because the idea never seems occur to those on the left. Also, I understand that the age of consent in Alaska is 16.
"A recent report by the San Francisco-based Community United Against Violence bears out Falik's assertions. It found a rise of 11% in violence against the gay, lesbian and bisexual community between 1990 and 1991 in San Francisco. Nationally, between 1988 and 1991, these hate crimes have risen 161%. "
In San Francisco?!? You mean there are still heterosexuals left in San Fran? Okay, I'm kidding, but I'm surprised that any of the tolerant, peaceful leftists occupying San Fran would turn violent against their homosexual neighbors.
I'll take some time to read the article, but in the meantime, answer me this: What happens to people in this country who physically attack homosexuals for being homosexual? By comparison, what happens in many Islamic-based countries to similar people? Is there a difference in laws regarding violence against homosexuals?
John, that is a barefaced lie, and you know it. "McCain says Palin's background was thoroughly checked." If so, why were the FBI in Alaska doing mop up when all the details came to light? If he lies about Palin, just think of how many lies he'll tell. Impeach McCain!
Anti-choicers keep bringing up the "Oh, I guess the liberals would have her abort her baby just because it had Down syndrome?!" What I haven't heard anyone say is that it's somewhat irresponsible to have kids at 40-something years old. The risks are exponentially greater, especially for defects like Down syndrome. Maybe she should have shown some of that world class judgment and used birth control (oh, I forgot. God says that's bad)... should have had her husband snipped after 4 kids. Does Jesus hate vasectomies?
lets breakdown sarah ben judah hur into her component parts . . .
On guns she is charleston heston
Mentally she is dan quale
0n religion she is huckabee
Politically she is george bush
On energy she is dick cheney
On womans issues she is anita bryant (look it up)
When asked about the VP job a few weeks ago she replied she didnt know what the VP does.
Only the republicans would pass off this candidate as qualified for the job.
zurc. Even some Democrats agree with Charlton Heston. You don't know anything about her mental state. Many Americans are open to the idea of drilling for oil in Alaska. Have you ever been there? Do you know what the VP does? Do you know when people tell a joke?
The fact that Palin is getting attacked so much, shows that a lot of people here are scared.
heston went batty towards the end. But he did drive up membership in the facist NRA who shill for gun manufactures while guns kill 15000 per year in the US.
I have been to alaska many times. Palin supports dumping in the cook island. Do you know where that is?
I know what the VP does, Palin does not. She was not making a joke, mccain is pulling a joke on the country in nominating her for the VP role. Just like bush did with qualye.
I am scared yes, that Palin could be president if mccain kicks off which is very likely.
Here is some news on Palin that you didnt know. She is on the dole like so many repubs who are in government office . . .
ANCHORAGE, Sept. 8 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.
This Story
Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home
Footing the Bill
Travel Authorization - State of Alaska
The governor also has charged the state for travel expenses to take her children on official out-of-town missions. And her husband, Todd, has billed the state for expenses and a daily allowance for trips he makes on official business for his wife.
Palin, who earns $125,000 a year, claimed and received $16,951 as her allowance, which officials say was permitted because her official "duty station" is Juneau, according to an analysis of her travel documents by The Washington Post.
The governor's daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel, and many of the trips were between their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away, the documents show.
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WhiteHawk at 01:08 AM JST - 4th September
yabits:
As usual, you move the goal posts when proven wrong. Oh well. Perhaps that's why you don't set criteria up front. Between that and limiting the outlets (NYT, MSNBC and CNN are the only outlets that matter?), you do your best to limit any substantive debate. In any case, I think most people would also regard ignoring requests for privacy and not leaving the daughter out of the campaign as a form of attack. Especially, as I noted before, there is no legitimate reason to focus on her other than to use her as leverage against her mother.
Funny how the Left is banking on Palin's daughter being pregnant wrecking McCain's chances... and forget that one of Dick Cheney's daughters is a lesbian. I've also noticed that the Left has stopped complaining about McCain's lobbyists since the Biden pick. Is that because they know one of Biden's sons is a lobbyist? Why didn't Obama just pick Hillary and guarantee the support of her voters?
usaexpat at 01:22 AM JST - 4th September
The pick of Palin is sad in three ways for me. First it's blatant pandering to try to get some of the Hillary contingent's vote. Second, the overwhelming need to put a pro-life candidate on the ticket is annoying to pro-choice independents. McCain is already pro-life why not balance that and give us some re-assurance that canning Roe Vs. Wade won't be an administration push. Third she has no experience and no substance. I called a friend of mine in Alaska for his take which is as follows: She was elected governer because her opponent was corrupt and had fallen out of favor. As a former beauty queen and mayor she had enough name recognition in the Anchorage area to win the state. He also said his take was that she's a "sponge" (his words) that absorbs whoever she is politically allied with and has no real political convictions of her own. McCain should have picked Lieberman for the fact that they are long time friends both unloved by their parties and could run on a real "political outsider" ticket. Beyond that Lieberman is pro-choice one of the few areas he and McCain differ on.
Madverts at 01:43 AM JST - 4th September
Usaexpat,
Good post.
Is it still physicaly possible for McCain to drop Palin and go with Liberman? Bit of a filp-flop I know, but the current choice seems to be doing more harm than good...
Madverts at 01:58 AM JST - 4th September
I said christianity, Whitehawk. And there are plenty of nasty things happened to homosexuals because of being homosexual in America, trust me.
" I don't suppose you were critical of Palin for letting her baby with Down's Syndrome be born instead of aborting the imperfection, were you?"
Isn't there some doubt that it is actually hers? And no, if the choice had been to me, the child would not have been born. It is, however, another reason I think her accepting the potential veep spot is totally in-appropriate.
Not only does she have a special-needs infant, but she also has an under-age daughter who is up the duff and in need of her parents.
Perhaps you can tell me where the real values are here?
Call me crazy, but if it were me, I'd be looking after my family instead of applying for a job that would have me doing 120 if not more hours a week.
Madverts at 02:00 AM JST - 4th September
Whitey,
"A recent report by the San Francisco-based Community United Against Violence bears out Falik's assertions. It found a rise of 11% in violence against the gay, lesbian and bisexual community between 1990 and 1991 in San Francisco. Nationally, between 1988 and 1991, these hate crimes have risen 161%. "
http://www.greenleft.org.au/1993/125/4910
WhiteHawk at 02:14 AM JST - 4th September
Madverts:
Yes, but no legitimate doubt. Just accusations from some Kos nutters.
But I thought you were against all killing of any kind, including death penalties and self-defense.
She also has a family that helps with the load. Maybe it's only right-wing conservative families that help each other, because the idea never seems occur to those on the left. Also, I understand that the age of consent in Alaska is 16.
In San Francisco?!? You mean there are still heterosexuals left in San Fran? Okay, I'm kidding, but I'm surprised that any of the tolerant, peaceful leftists occupying San Fran would turn violent against their homosexual neighbors.
I'll take some time to read the article, but in the meantime, answer me this: What happens to people in this country who physically attack homosexuals for being homosexual? By comparison, what happens in many Islamic-based countries to similar people? Is there a difference in laws regarding violence against homosexuals?
You already know the answers, don't you?
LIBERTAS at 06:39 AM JST - 4th September
John, that is a barefaced lie, and you know it. "McCain says Palin's background was thoroughly checked." If so, why were the FBI in Alaska doing mop up when all the details came to light? If he lies about Palin, just think of how many lies he'll tell. Impeach McCain!
mar4eO at 06:50 AM JST - 4th September
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi ?
Sarge at 04:18 PM JST - 4th September
usaexpat: "The pick of Palin is sad in three ways for me. First it's blatant pandering"
It is not. It's simply a brilliant choice.
Hoss1 at 06:54 PM JST - 4th September
Anti-choicers keep bringing up the "Oh, I guess the liberals would have her abort her baby just because it had Down syndrome?!" What I haven't heard anyone say is that it's somewhat irresponsible to have kids at 40-something years old. The risks are exponentially greater, especially for defects like Down syndrome. Maybe she should have shown some of that world class judgment and used birth control (oh, I forgot. God says that's bad)... should have had her husband snipped after 4 kids. Does Jesus hate vasectomies?
mar4eO at 09:38 PM JST - 4th September
McCain and Palin knew what she would be up against.
We have all watched it, for five long years.
Democrats like Dick Durban and John Murtha attack US soldiers and compare them to Nazis.
Joe Biden and Harry Reid both declare the war in Iraq lost.
Obama calls the surge a failure.
On the floor of the same Senate where she voted for liberation of Iraq, Hillary Clinton calls General Petraeus a liar.
And an openly partisan media enables and encourages all of this.
What made people think that 'liberals' and 'progressives' wouldn't go after children or even the unborn?
unscrejects at 10:07 PM JST - 4th September
Checked by who, Joe "I'd sell my own mother for a bag of cool ade" Lieberman?
zurcronium at 03:50 PM JST - 5th September
lets breakdown sarah ben judah hur into her component parts . . .
On guns she is charleston heston Mentally she is dan quale 0n religion she is huckabee Politically she is george bush On energy she is dick cheney On womans issues she is anita bryant (look it up)
When asked about the VP job a few weeks ago she replied she didnt know what the VP does.
Only the republicans would pass off this candidate as qualified for the job.
toolongheremaybe at 04:51 PM JST - 9th September
zurc. Even some Democrats agree with Charlton Heston. You don't know anything about her mental state. Many Americans are open to the idea of drilling for oil in Alaska. Have you ever been there? Do you know what the VP does? Do you know when people tell a joke?
The fact that Palin is getting attacked so much, shows that a lot of people here are scared.
zurcronium at 10:04 PM JST - 9th September
heston went batty towards the end. But he did drive up membership in the facist NRA who shill for gun manufactures while guns kill 15000 per year in the US.
I have been to alaska many times. Palin supports dumping in the cook island. Do you know where that is?
I know what the VP does, Palin does not. She was not making a joke, mccain is pulling a joke on the country in nominating her for the VP role. Just like bush did with qualye.
I am scared yes, that Palin could be president if mccain kicks off which is very likely.
Here is some news on Palin that you didnt know. She is on the dole like so many repubs who are in government office . . .
ANCHORAGE, Sept. 8 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.
This Story Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home Footing the Bill Travel Authorization - State of Alaska The governor also has charged the state for travel expenses to take her children on official out-of-town missions. And her husband, Todd, has billed the state for expenses and a daily allowance for trips he makes on official business for his wife.
Palin, who earns $125,000 a year, claimed and received $16,951 as her allowance, which officials say was permitted because her official "duty station" is Juneau, according to an analysis of her travel documents by The Washington Post.
The governor's daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel, and many of the trips were between their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away, the documents show.
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