Bush signs new rules on government wiretapping

Friday 11th July, 06:03 AM JST

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RedMeatKoolAid at 03:55 PM JST - 11th July

...moving America one big step forward to becoming a Police State.

Does typing that still excite after 7 years? Does it - did it ever - pass for educated conversation in Australia?
smithinjapan at 05:37 PM JST - 11th July

"What I do need is to hear opinions about this issue from people other than the America-haters. America-haters will always oppose anything that could protect America from its enemies. So their opinions, which are always filled with hyperbole like this, are meaningless."

Ah, the 'us against them' argument. I think you could ask any single poster on here who debates George W. Bush's presidency and its various and numerous disasters if they actually 'HATE' the US, and I'm willing to bet almost all, if not all, would say they don't. Anyone who does actually say they hate the US? well, then I'll side with you guys in saying they are irrational. What a lot of people HATE here, my friends, is the fact that a few nuts in power can take away the rights they pretend to be protecting, and can very well arrest you for what you write on this or any other internet site, as well as anything you say on a phone call, under the guise of protection. Ask if they hate Bush; ask if they hate his politics and the ideas he promotes and supports, as well as even possibly those who support him and said politics, and you may get many more yes responses. Assuming that any one who argues against such a bill therefore hates the entire US of A is simply falling into the paranoid trap your current government has set up. In other words, you're a sucker of your own system.
Helter_Skelter at 06:50 PM JST - 11th July

Assuming that any one who argues against such a bill therefore hates the entire US of A

Not at all. Anyone who argues against such a bill doesn't mean they hate the US. I'm saying anyone who hates the US will argue against this bill. And it proves right every time. There are plenty of Jihadists who no doubt share your sentiments exactly about this bill.
djkljlkj at 07:48 PM JST - 11th July

Welcome to United Communist State Of America. The Bush government is going Stasi on its people and some people welcome it! The irony is complete. WOnder what it is like to live in constant fear and paranoia.
ANOTSUSAGAMI at 07:50 PM JST - 11th July

I hate this bill. I disagree with Bush on all of his policies. I am an American and I love my country with all my heart. So here's an opinion from a US lover.
RedMeatKoolAid at 07:52 PM JST - 11th July

"What a lot of people HATE here, my friends, is the fact that a few nuts in power can take away the rights they pretend to be protecting, and can very well arrest you for what you write on this or any other internet site, as well as anything you say on a phone call, under the guise of protection. "

A few nuts? Congress and the Senate have granted the president the means to do what the majority of Americans want the gov't to do to avert another 9-11.

The internet? - What country basically it possible? Cell phones? America, again.

"Grow up, people."
RedMeatKoolAid at 07:55 PM JST - 11th July

"What a lot of people HATE here, my friends, is the fact that a few nuts in power can take away the rights they pretend to be protecting, and can very well arrest you for what you write on this or any other internet site, as well as anything you say on a phone call, under the guise of protection. "

"A few nuts in power" ? Congress, the Senate and the Democrat nominee for 2008 have granted the president the means to do what the majority of Americans want the gov't to do to avert another 9-11.

The internet? - What country basically made it possible?

Cell phones? America, again.

"Grow up, people."
smithinjapan at 08:01 PM JST - 11th July

Helterskelter: "ot at all. Anyone who argues against such a bill doesn't mean they hate the US. I'm saying anyone who hates the US will argue against this bill. And it proves right every time. There are plenty of Jihadists who no doubt share your sentiments exactly about this bill."

You prove my point so well... thank you. If I don't like the bill, according to your logic, I therefore hate the US and agree with 'the terrorists' (who are conveniently fit into a category of anyone who doesn't like you personally).

It's actually pretty sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. In a few years, if you have to have a license to walk the sidewalk you'll say it's my fault because 'I'm an American hater', etc. You let yourselves fall into such despairity and pain, but can never take responsibility and can only rely on the word of people who are in charge strictly because they are in charge, no questions asked. You are your own worst enemy, my friend, and in 10 years when you say, "It's not my fault!?", don't look to cry on my shoulder.

Seriously, anyone who believes 'this is how it has to be because the lord 'bush' says so,' is nothing short of laughable. If Bush demanded the state took over the National Lampoon (he might actually be qualified, based on all his gaffes, but still), you would then put it at your bedside and say I am a terrorist for believing that a man did not give birth to a baby in a watermelon. In other words, try opening your eyes a little..... but do it carefully, because your government is watching!
djkljlkj at 08:07 PM JST - 11th July

9/11 was the best gift Bush could ever dream of.
smithinjapan at 09:40 PM JST - 11th July

"9/11 was the best gift Bush could ever dream of."

He's got it taped in a scrap book next to the picture of him saying 'Mission Accomplished'; the first time he flew in a fighter jet since his few and far between (and often skipped) 'training missions' he took while his buddies died for him in Viet Nam and he got drunk.
SushiSake3 at 10:06 PM JST - 11th July

SmithinJapan - " I think you could ask any single poster on here who debates George W. Bush's presidency and its various and numerous disasters if they actually 'HATE' the US, and I'm willing to bet almost all, if not all, would say they don't. Anyone who does actually say they hate the US? well, then I'll side with you guys in saying they are irrational. What a lot of people HATE here, my friends, is the fact that a few nuts in power can take away the rights they pretend to be protecting, and can very well arrest you for what you write on this or any other internet site, as well as anything you say on a phone call, under the guise of protection. Ask if they hate Bush; ask if they hate his politics and the ideas he promotes and supports, as well as even possibly those who support him and said politics, and you may get many more yes responses. Assuming that any one who argues against such a bill therefore hates the entire US of A is simply falling into the paranoid trap your current government has set up. In other words, you're a sucker of your own system."

**That is one EXCELLENT post. **

I for one will say I do not hate America and never did.

I do, however, like the majority of Americans, have a big problem with the U.S. government.
Sarge at 11:54 PM JST - 11th July

DXXJP - "they ( the terrorists ) were never there until dubya stirred the s%#t"

Apparently you are unaware of all the terrorist attacks before 9/11. Look it up.

"people are fighting for their convictions over there"

You mean the people blowing up lines of people at police recruiting stations?
adaydream at 03:17 AM JST - 12th July

Another act to protect illegal acts by the president's direction.

Thank God he'll be out in 192 days. < :-)
Helter_Skelter at 04:20 AM JST - 12th July

smithinjapan:

If I don't like the bill, according to your logic, I therefore hate the US

Wrong. I'll try one more time. If you don't like the bill, it doesn't mean you hate the US. But if you hate the US, you likely won't like the bill.
Wolfpack at 10:56 PM JST - 12th July

Wait a second now - didn't Barack Obaman, the most Liberal member of the US Senate, vote in favor of this "controversial" new law to give immunity to telecom companies? And don't Liberals support Obama? There isn't much controversy over this issue in the US because it is supported on both the left and right. You could say there is a "consensus".