Bush under fire at Paris climate meeting

Friday 18th April, 05:21 AM JST

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redacted at 01:16 PM JST - 18th April

What are the failed, post-modern pseudo-states of Europe going to do if we don't dance to their silly tune on "global warming"? Are they going to refuse to sell us their cheese? Are they going to launch gratuitous lawsuits against multinationals like Microsoft?
Xinef at 02:24 PM JST - 18th April

"What are the failed, post-modern pseudo-states of Europe going to do if we don't dance to their silly tune on "global warming"? Are they going to refuse to sell us their cheese? Are they going to launch gratuitous lawsuits against multinationals like Microsoft?"

This would be a funny comment in a context where there wouldn't be much to worry about.

Only, this leaves the main element out of the equation: climate.

Indeed, there is not much Europe can do, just like when the US decided to begin war in Irak. But this time, we'll all pay the price...
SushiSake2 at 03:59 PM JST - 18th April

ha ha ha! redacted is so far behind the times he thinks global warming is a myth LOL!!!

Anyone else on JT think redacted has a case?
SushiSake2 at 04:13 PM JST - 18th April

Oh, I get it now - all those NASA satellite images showing the polar ice caps shrinking at the fastest rate ever must all have been Photoshopped.

That's about the only way people like redacted could have a case.
redacted at 06:50 PM JST - 18th April

"ha ha ha! redacted is so far behind the times he thinks global warming is a myth LOL!!"

Post here what you regard as proof and I'll reconsider.

Explain also why your hero Al Gore still won't debate the matter publicly .

Seen Big Al's little side businesses that are set to cash on the hysteria that people like you whip up?
redacted at 06:51 PM JST - 18th April

"Oh, I get it now - all those NASA satellite images showing the polar ice caps shrinking at the fastest rate ever must all have been Photoshopped."

C'mon sushi, surely you can do better than NASA. It's an American organization...
Madverts at 07:04 PM JST - 18th April

"Post here what you regard as proof "

Heh, poor sod. I didn't realize there were global warming conspiracy theorists too...
redacted at 07:10 PM JST - 18th April

"Not to worry though, in a year there will be a democrat in office, and like the Clinton before h/she will actually DO something for the environment (like ratifying the Kyoto protocol). "

Smithinjapan - You really ought to do a little research before you post. You raise suspicions about how informed the other watermelons (green on the outside...) here are.

Clinton never signed on to Kyoto.

It was shot down in the Senate.

By a vote of 97 - 1.

Currently the supposedly transgressor nations have penalties totaling something like 33 billion US dollars.

Who's going to enforce payment?

The UN?

The EU?

"Hahahahaha, too funny!"
SushiSake3 at 10:47 PM JST - 18th April

Redacted - "Post here what you regard as proof and I'll reconsider."

LOL!! Too funny! :-)

Redacted - "Seen Big Al's little side businesses that are set to cash on the hysteria that people like you whip up?"

I'm yet to see one single person who makes this claim actually back it up.
SushiSake3 at 10:49 PM JST - 18th April

Can't help noticing it's the same bunch of reality holdouts who back the Iraq war that also deny global warming is a threat.

I just can't work out what the common factor is besides sand in their ears :-)
redacted at 09:27 AM JST - 19th April

"Can't help noticing it's the same bunch of reality holdouts who back the Iraq war that also deny global warming is a threat."

China and India, backing the US in Iraq?

Give us more, sushisake.
SuperLib at 10:03 AM JST - 19th April

Global warming is real. Listening to someone say that they have solution for it is the myth. So far there's been no evidence that any of the measures, including Kyoto, will yield any positive results, or any results at all for that matter.
SushiSake3 at 11:34 AM JST - 19th April

redacted - "China and India, backing the US in Iraq?"

Was that posted on the right thread??

Even SiuperLib agrees global warming is a threat. So do most of us.
redacted at 12:10 PM JST - 19th April

Superlib agrees global warming is a threat?

I think you are putting words in his mouth.

There are climate anomalies, i.e. the weather changes. I don't dispute that. It's something I learned in elementary school.

Simple example - Where did the woolly mammoth go?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolly_mammoth

"Extinction

Most woolly mammoths died out at the end of the Pleistocene, as a result of climate change and a shift in man's hunting patterns. A recent study conducted by the Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales in Spain determined that warming temperatures had reduced mammoth habitat to only a fraction of what it once was, putting the Woolly Mammoth population in sharp decline before the introduction of humans into the territory.[3] Glacial retreat shrunk mammoth habitat from 7.7 million km2 42,000 years ago to 0.8 million km2 6,000 years ago. Although a similarly drastic loss of habitat occurred at the end of the Saale glaciation 125,000 years ago, human pressure during the later warming period was sufficient to push the mammoth over the brink.[4] The study employed the use of climate models and fossil remains to make these determinations.[5] A small population of Wolly Mammoths survived on St. Paul Island, Alaska, up until 6000 BC [3], while another remained on Wrangel Island, located in the Arctic Ocean, up until 1700 BC. "

I agree with superlib's conclusion - there's been no evidence that any of the measures help.

As I pointed out above the supposedly transgressor nations are 33 billion dollars behind in paying their penalties...

Meanwhile, we have punished the world's poor by pushing ethanol as a genuine solution to an extremely complex problem:

"Dr Richard Pike, chief of the Royal Society of Chemistry, has said that biofuels are a "dead end" and "extremely inefficient", and that the government was wrong to impose a requirement for 5 per cent biofuel content in motor fuel by 2010. Dr Pike points out that "the 80 tonnes of kerosene used for a one-way commercial flight to New York is equivalent to the annual biofuel yield from an area of approximately 30 football pitches." At this rate it would take the whole of Britain's farmland just to run Heathrow.

"It really is time to stop this nonsense. To produce these crops people are farming intensively, using more fertilizers and pesticides. In poorer countries people are cutting down virgin rainforest to plant biofuel crops. Poor people are finding corn and wheat priced out of their market, and the tanks of 4x4s are taking the food from the plates of poor families."

http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/environment/time-to-kill-crop%11derived-biofuels-200803291126/
SuperLib at 07:26 PM JST - 19th April

Even SiuperLib agrees global warming is a threat.

I do agree that global warming is a threat. But I also happen to think you're Bush-obsessed and that prevents you from making rational decisions. That leads to some outlandish statements which undercut your own credibility. If you were able to tone things down a bit a and free yourself from your insecurities you'd probably find that we have a lot of common ground. But as far as I can tell you're unable to stop yourself from being an political hothead so that kind of kills any chance you have to be respected. Just my opinion...