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adaydream
george bush's legacy. his legacy will be best written on the bottom of chairs in a washroom. < :-)
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ilcub76
He has no legacy. He has started two wars, run the economy into the most disastrous condition in 70 years, and turned the rest of the world against the US. Fifty years from now, American elementary school children will learn about the best and worst presidents.... and George W. Bush is definitely the latter.
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rjd_jr
Funny, I thought Obama was going to president for the last 50 days.
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Taka313
Credit where credit is due: bush has done more to help with the AIDS problem in Africa than any other president.
That said, that about sums up the good he did in office and took about 10 seconds to "tout." What's he plan to do for the other 49 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 50 seconds?
Ahhh....
http://www.humorscore.com/videos/FamilyGuyVideos/FamilyGuy-BallInACup
Taka
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adaydream
Now it's only 48 days, 23 hours, 50 seconds and his legacy is the same it was earlier. Lousy. < :-)
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Sarge
Taka313 - You forgot Bush's tax cuts and liberating two countries.
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Good_Jorb
For everyone losing their jobs, their retirement, their houses I bet that tax cut helped them a lot, it certainly stimulated the economic.
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smithinjapan
Bush does indeed get credit for his efforts on combatting AIDS, but that's the one and only thing he gets credit for that's positive.
sarge: "You forgot Bush's tax cuts and liberating two countries."
Nope, no one forgot about that, and trust me, no one will let YOU forgot about how bush invaded at least one of said countries illegally and based on lies. Everyone knows it but you, sarge, which is one of the reasons why bush's popularity was amongst the lowest -- if not flat out the lowest -- of any US president in history. What's more, it lost you guys both houses four years ago, gave a majority to the Dems in both this time, and ultimately lost you guys the White House. Thanks, bush!
Oh, and this in recently, although I don't see it on JT (yet), there's all sorts of proof that bush ignored calls to modify bad loans/mortgages as it would lead to an economic disaster if he didn't. Instead, he kow-towed to the same banks that are now getting government bailouts or have gone bust. So, there's even more proof that the current state of the economy is one more of the 'legacies' bush can put on his dime, and try to hide in the overflowing closet.
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adaydream
Sarge - One of those countries liberated didn't ask for it. But with george bush's help has lost 10% of it's population through murder, carpet bombing, shock and aw, refuges and millions of children without parents.
That other country isn't liberated, yet. The Taliban still control too much of it because george bush deserted that war. < :-)
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SimondB
Bush is finaly right - history WILL judge him. No surprises coming.
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Sarge
"history WILL judge him"
And history will record that President Bush made the tough, unpopular decisions that will ultimately benefit everyone on the planet.
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SushiSake3
This is written by someone who actually assumes - incorrectly - that Bush will actually have a "legacy."
LOL!
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skipthesong
bush ignored calls to modify bad loans/mortgages as it would lead to an economic disaster if he didn't." smith, he wasn't able to.. You have to let the one go. The mortgage crises, for anyone who knows, does not fall on him. I know you want to throw more tar and feathers on the man, but if in a bar near us and talking like that would get you laughed at. This is a good start: http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBRIsCkGQ0
Additionally, at least the man spoke a bit of Spanish. That should say something about him.
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smithinjapan
skip: "I know you want to throw more tar and feathers on the man, but if in a bar near us and talking like that would get you laughed at."
More like cheered for, and perhaps even get a free drink out of the deal.
"Additionally, at least the man spoke a bit of Spanish. That should say something about him."
Good for him! I can speak some Spanish, too, and I'm Canadian! That guy lives immediately next door to Mexico and is the president of the USA! Anything less than complete fluency fails to impress me, senor.
Finally:
"smith, he wasn't able to.. You have to let the one go. The mortgage crises, for anyone who knows, does not fall on him."
Okay, bud... if the story ever comes onto JT, we'll talk about it then. It's a bit late, but I'm sure it'll get here in due time.
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smithinjapan
Anyway, as sarge said, history will indeed judge him; it's just going to be especially hard for sarge when history judges bush for the villain he is/was, as well as for being the single worst president in history on pretty much every front. Hell, during the election even his fellow Republicans did EVERYTHING they could to bail bush's sinking ship.
I almost feel sorry for the guy... until I remember all the misery he has caused world-wide. Tough decisions, sarge? Nah... the tough decision would have been to swallow his pride and listen to the world before illegally invading Iraq (ie. wait for REAL intelligence from people on the ground!), but he took the easy path.
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Madverts
He sarge, you go buddy - be damned with Reality.
Never give in, never surrender....
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TooFarGone
Bush uses final 50 days in office to tout legacy
50 million liberated from Saddam Hussein's Nazi-inspired Baathist regime in the British creation known as Iraq. Works out to one million a day. Very nearly the population of Canada and Australia combined.
India, the world's most populous democracy, firmly on America's side.
Africa, even his critics admit, has never benefitted more from any American president, which is to say no leader anywhere has done more to help that tragic continent.
In modern America, where Howard Zinn is the most "popular" historian at the secondary and collegiate level, saying historians will judge Bush harshly is like saying the media is slightly to the left.
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Sarge
Heh, Madverts, that's, "Never give up, never surrender."
Guess what - Obama's going to withdraw our victorious troops from a free Iraq capable of defending itself in 2011, all of which would never happen if Bush hadn't made the tough, unpopular decisions he made.
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Betzee
History judges good presidents by their accomplishments and bad ones by how long it takes to undo the damage they caused. On the economy, the consensus is that we're in for a long recession. While it may have been difficult for the players to see the much ballyhooed "great economy" was in fact a bubble, those in government should have recognized it for what it was much earlier. The cost for recapitalizing the financial sector has yet to be tallied.
If Iraq ultimately becomes a stable ME ally to the US, history may look more favorably on GWB's neocon-inspired foreign policy. As it stands now, the US took a terrible hit in terms of prestige as Iraq tumbled into civil chaos and the bodies piled up. (The huge internally displaced and refugee problem has yet to be dealt with.) This was the best the world's only superpower could do? International public opinion was decidedly unimpressed, foreshadowing America's declining power on the world stage.
Finally, the five trillion GWB added to the national debt is not chump change. Future generations of taxpayers will suffer a reduced standard of living in order to pay it all off.
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smithinjapan
TooFarGone: "50 million liberated from Saddam Hussein's Nazi-inspired Baathist regime in the British creation known as Iraq. Works out to one million a day. Very nearly the population of Canada and Australia combined."
HAHAHAhahaha!! Yeah... 50 million that never asked liberating; 50 million, of whom 10% are dead because of the illegal rush to invade; 50 million, many of whom live without any of the basic infrastructure that was in place before... Hell, TooFarGone, Bush himself in an interview didn't even have the guts himself to say he would do it again if he could go back in time. That is a flat out 'no, I wouldn't' in anyone's books; but to say so would be political suicide (even worse than he's done already) and would destroy what little remains of morale on the topic of those who still think it was a good idea to rush in on bad intelligence. And before you guys go on about 'ridding the world of an evil dictator', let me remind you that that was never the reason for invading -- it was fall-back reason number two when the first two reasons, which they touted as the REAL reasons for going in -- proved to be false like everyone said they were. Let me also remind you that there are plenty of other evil dictators out there and it's PROVEN they have the weapons they rushed in illegally to get rid of in Iraq... and yet bush hasn't 'freedumbized' those nations, now has he?
Fun to watch you guys try to deal with reality, and your hero's fall even lower than anyone could have imagined.
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adaydream
Sarge - And history will record that President Bush made the tough, unpopular decisions that will ultimately benefit everyone on the planet.
Put down the drinks Sarge. george bush has said that he wished that the intel had been better.
That in itself is an admission that the actions taken were regrettable. That his decisions were ultimately wrong.
Right, all those people killed in Iraq agree with you Sarge. They just can't tell you. CAUSE THEY DIED FROM HIS STUPIDITY. < :-)
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Madverts
sarge, heh, just don't give up defending bush's, uhm "legacy".
We'll always be here to lend a jeer milladdo....
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Sarge
adaydream - Put down the drinks Sarge. george bush has said that he wished that the intel had been better. That itself is an admission that the actions taken were regtrettable."
Bush has never said that removing Saddam Hussein from power was regettable. Because it wasn't. The vast majority of Iraqis wouldn't want to go back to those miserable days. Perhaps you'd better put out the joint, adaydreamer.
Madverts, heh, I expect you'll be here for the next four years whining about Obama's failures and blaming them on Bush.
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lostrune2
History will judge Bush's legacy, but remember, history are written by those affected by it. Be forewarned: that means, his part of history that affected beyond the US will not be written by Americans. Whether the War on Iraq was worth it will be for Iraqis to judge. Whether the Worldwide War on Terror made the world --not just America-- safer will be for the world to judge, not just Americans. How world history will remember his legacy will be for the world to judge. That's just something Americans will just have to depend on the hands of "foreigners" this time. ;-)
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TooFarGone
smithinjapan, with more embarrassing errors:
"Yeah... 50 million that never asked liberating; 50 million, of whom 10% are dead because of the illegal rush to invade;"
5 million dead in Iraq? That's a lot of Muslim on Muslim violence.
You've spent so many hours here denying and defending the propensity for violence in Islam. Are you sure you want to go with that figure?
Illegal invasion?
According to whom?
Congress voted.
The UN is a joke.
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smithinjapan
sarge: "Bush has never said that removing Saddam Hussein from power was regettable."
He never said it WASN'T regrettable, either, in this interview. He said he regrets going in without better intelligence. That indicates regret, sarge... REGRET, and that includes deposing Hussein, since you guys always claim 'the end justifies the means'. YOu can't conveniently separate Saddam's being deposed only when it's with Bush's regrets. Period.
"The vast majority of Iraqis wouldn't want to go back to those miserable days."
According to whom, sarge? according to your misdirecting, misinformed feelings? How about the million or more dead? Do they get a voice, or is their being quiet convenient for your political slant on the issue? Show us the stats, sarge, that say the majority are happier now than before. I can show you the stats of Americans that show the majority feel the US was headed in the wrong direction, and regret invading Iraq instead of pursuing Bin Laden -- well, going the wrong direction until said majority voted in Obama, of course! -- but can you show me all these Iraqis you claim to be so happy?
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smithinjapan
TooFarGone: "5 million dead in Iraq? That's a lot of Muslim on Muslim violence."
I'm referring to the number of deaths that have occurred as a direct or indirect result of the US invasion of Iraq, my friend. In case you didn't notice, this is a thread about Bush's legacy -- one part of which was the illegal invasion of Iraq.... which has led to at least a million dead in Iraq since the outset. Many have been via terrorists, without a doubt; none of whom were there, or at least none of whom were there in a terrorist capacity, before said invasion opened the floodgates.
The number is definitely an exaggeration, but the fact that a whole lot of deahts exist and were inspired by George W. Bush is not. In case you can't figure out that that is not defending Islam... well, again, you guys shot your credibility on this site a long time ago, so it's no surprise. Show me one thread where I have defended terrorists... just one. I can show you plenty where I've defended Islam as a religion against people who want 1.4 billion people slaughtered solely because of a few, but can you show me a single post where I defend terrorism?
"Illegal invasion? According to whom?"
According to the charter the US signed which says there shall be no attacks on sovereign nations unilaterally for the purpose of regime change, etc. etc. The UN may or may not be a joke, but the US is even more of a joke if they signed a charter with the UN and then went against it unilaterally.
I know that's a tough nut for you to crack, but it's fact, 100%. Deal with it.
"You've spent so many hours here denying and defending the propensity for violence in Islam."
Ummm... not sure how long it takes YOU to type, but it only takes me a few minutes to type up a long post. What's more, again I ask you to show me where I defend violence in ANY religion. I have defended Islam against you, Helter_Skelter, and other naive individuals who think that an entire religion, be it Muslim, Christian, Hinuism, or what have you, are responsible for ALL the trouble in the world, and that ALL of its people are therefore terrorists, etc.
Anyway, keep on insisting bush was a good guy, my friend, and we'll be there to remind you every step of the way that he was not, and every time, which is pretty often these days, the truth comes out about his involvement in scandals, his regrets on his actions, etc.
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TooFarGone
Add to that number the WHO quote (which they declared was conservative) of 40,000 infant deaths now annually prevented in Afghanistan as a direct result of the US - led ouster of the medieval Taliban. Multiply it by seven.
How can anyone knock this? Good stuff. I hope Obama matches Bush.
Amazing. I knew my nation was generous but this blows me away.
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smithinjapan
TooFarGone: I notice that you have been touting Bush's efforts in the fight against AIDS. You rightly should. As everyone on here has noted -- even those to the most left -- that is indeed one thing bush can walk away from his job feeling good about. I hope Obama matches bush on this, too. I'm sure he will; I can't see someone cutting something that is so popular and effective. At worse it will remain unchanged, I think.
That being said, I notice that's the ONLY thing about bush that you tout... again, as is right.
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USAFdude
Let bush "tout" all he wants. Bottom line for me and the vast majority of my military colleagues: bush allowed the ultimate leader of the bastards who hit our country on 11 Sep 01 to get away. And bush knows it.
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