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some14some
Good. Hope this 'suspension' will turn into a 'withdrawal' from the presidential race. Perhaps, US doesn't need a Man who can't handle few women even :)
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Farmboy
Now the women who say they were harrassed by Newt will be flocking to the late night talk shows. We should have a few pop up by next week, I'd say. " Newt's Beauts," will be the headline, maybe...
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The Truth Matters
The new sarah palin. Wonderful.
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pamelot
He is still a player, just not for the Presidency.
He has much to offer in business acumen, that could be of value in the next administration...
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plasticmonkey
@Farmboy: You're assuming all these women are lying. If so, why did all of them go after Cain?
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Serrano
"Newt is now the frontrunner"
I guess Palin is going to have to jump in.
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Farmboy
I'm not assuming anything in particular, including Cain's guilt or innocence of the misconduct he was accused of.
Okay, maybe I am assuming that if anyone has anything that looks like dirt about Gingrich, it will be brought forward on a talk show, whether there is any substance to it or not, and then there will be news stories, discussions, magazine articles, etc. that presume guilt or innocence without adding any more facts to the discussion.
I won't vote for either Cain or Gingrich, by the way. I'm just sick to death of trial by media.
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SushiSake3
What a hypocrite. If Cain cared so much for his family, he wouldn’t have had these affairs in the first place.
Is this a Republican primary or a clown show? Only in today's GOP is a clown like this still a viable candidate. Who are/were his supporters?
A big winner here will be President Obama. Now that Cain has done a Sarah Palin and quit, the Republican field loses its only dose of racial diversity and leaves minority voters with a set of very white people to choose from.
Wow, with the GOP field stuck in a quicksand of its own scandals, flubs, and sheer mayhem, an otherwise vulnerable president seems to be getting a free pass from Republicans as they circle their wagons and commit suicide. Even with his own approval rating at a historically low 43 percent in the latest Gallup tracking poll, Obama still whips the generic Republican running against him.
When you look at it, the GOP/TP have done a great thing for America – and screwed themselves – by running sub-par candidates, almost all were never serious serious contenders for the POTUS job.
Cain and Bachmann were never never POTOS material, and neither are Perry or Gingrich, Santaurum or Paul. But now we’ve got Mr. 1%-flipflopping-Romney and Mr. Tiffany-admitted adulterer-ethically challenged Speaker-Gingrich.
I thought the Tea Party said they were going to "change things." Remember they were shouting that last year? They were going to "really shake things up" in Washington. But besides getting U.S. credit lowered for the first time in America’s history, trying to abolish Medicare, cut taxes even more for the wealthy and eliminate 2.1 American jobs・(all proposals in Ryan's budget),・who are their candidates for POTUS? It’s pretty clear – it’s the same old, same old Republicans: Gingrich and Romeny. Nothing new here. Nobody qualified here. I think we are looking at a possible demise of the GOP/TP – and it’s all their own fault and it’s all of their own doing – just look at the lineup of fools (not including Jon Huntsman) they put up.
Sayonara GOP/TP. It wasn't nice knowing you. Once you're gone, starting in 2012 and every election after that, the USA and Americans can move on into a much brighter, Democratic future.
If only there was an intellectual smart Commander-in-Chief who knows foreign policy, loves his first and only wife, and is a Christian... oh wait! Obama '12.
Here’s an interesting piece – an outsider’s view of the GOP presidential race: The Republicans' Farcical Candidates: A Club of Liars, Demagogues and Ignoramuses - SPIEGEL ONLINE doubleudoubleudoubleu.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,800850,00.html
Republican Idol just lost one more contestant.
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Christopher Blackwell
Somehow I doubt the Republican Party is going to end, it has survived lots of scandal in its life time, not too mention that the Democrats are pretty good at getting into scandals all on their own.
But it the Republican Party did fall, it would be a great time for a new second party to be formed. After all that was how the Republican Party came to be in the first place. Now a new second party would be quite a competition for the Democratic Party, not having the weight of past scandals to fight while the Democratic Party still has quite a history of scandals of their own. I think that even as a life long Democrat, that I would like to see a new party with a clean slate, just to refresh politics in the USA all over again.
Meanwhile can the Democrats get rid of a lot of dead weight, older politicians who are still back in the 60s and 70s and are not ready for the 21st Century yet?
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Elbuda Mexicano
God I love DEMOCRACY! Bring it on!! Good try Herman old boy!
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plasticmonkey
@Farmboy
Well, yes, but then again, Cain and the other GOP clown candidates have also risen in popularity because of the non-print news media and their focus on soundbites (e.g. 9-9-9, Obama is a socialist, Obamacare = death panels, etc) rather than substantial discourse. 30 years ago there would have been no way on earth that Cain, Bachmann, Perry, Santorum, or Gingrich would be accepted as viable candidates for POTUS. And then there is complaint against the media when the candidate's boat proves too leaky to sail? Cain is not out because of allegations by women that he is a horndog, or because of some liberal media lynching. Cain is out because he has proven to be an ignoramus and opportunist who never seriously thought through the implications of being a world leader.
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sailwind
The Media lynching is now completed. Interesting that they finally got around and "vetted" a black Presidential candidate if you can call smears and tabloid journalism a vetting. The last black Presidential candidate sure got a free pass from them. Anyone know Obama's college grades yet?
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sailwind
Three words....Yes We Can
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plasticmonkey
@sailwind: I don't remember Obama getting any kind of free pass. What about Fox, Limbaugh, etc painting Obama as a non-American closet Muslim with ties to subversive and unpatriotic terrorists and a radical socialist agenda to undermine American exceptionalism. Obama survived these infantile smear attacks and was elected because he had something of substance to offer. That these attacks continue is a cynical maneuver by the tea party loonie fringe to manipulate public frustration and gullibility.
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YuriOtani
Newt cheated on 2 wife's, one dying of cancer in hospital. My guy said he would vote for Obama before that lying, cheating, bribe taking deleted.
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SushiSake3
Amazingly, the more moral-free and ignorant the conservative candidate is, the more popular they become.
That's pretty funny. :-)
Only a couple more wheels left on the GOP/TP train wreck.
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SushiSake3
Did anyone expect the GOP presidential nomination process to be such a farce?
I certainly didn't.
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YongYang
Excellent. A serial harasser of women, gone. Just a Mormon, a Grinch and another something to go. Prez is gonna be home and dry with THESE as candidates. Buu YA!
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Virtuoso
I wonder how much longer this silly game of political musical chairs will continue....
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CrazyJoe
With all these insinuations, I don't think Cain had a choice. It's almost impossible to prove that you didn't do something. Main stream media will let you have your love affair with Newt Gingrich, until they decide it's time to bring Newt down.
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hoserfella
I guess he finally caught hell from the wife. He accomplished what he wanted, however. His name is now a "brand" and he'll cash in as much as possible just like the other moron, Palin. Neither one was serious about the presidency because they both knew they didn't have the intellect.
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paulinusa
A lot of Newt's dirty laundry has already been exposed. But if more emerges you can be sure there will the usual accusations of "media lynching" "liberal media" etc. from conservatives.
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globalwatcher
The Koch Brothers' political strategy ( a race card) collapsed, now Dem successfully stopped some blacks who were thinking to vote for Cain. This is a great gain for Obama.
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Serrano
Sushi: "If Cain cared so much for his family, he wouldn't have had these affairs in the first place"
I wonder if Sushi can provide some proof that these women are telling the truth and Cain is lying.
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telecasterplayer
Why is it that 5 allegations of sexual harassment were no big deal to republican voters, but one allegation of a consensual affair was the deal-breaker? Harassment=okay, consensual=bad?
And where does this clown get off claiming he "made it to the quarter-finals" without winning a single primary election?
@globalwatcher, I do not think there was any polling any significant number of African-American voters were going to break off for Cain. Just like no significant amount of Democratic Female voters broke off after Hillary's primary defeats and went to McCain/Palin. Please give Black folks credit for voting in their best-interests and not for skin color. Shirley Chisholm and rev. Jesse Jackson didn't become president, after all.
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yabits
This has nothing to do with the Democrats -- who had to be loving every minute (as I was) of this chump Cain being propelled by fawning suckers and idiots. Cain was done in by his own aberrant behavior.
This is a challenge that could only come from the head of a sixth-grader. Adults should know that when a man has a "friendship" with a woman for over a decade, buys her gifts and gives her money, and keeps the relationship a complete secret from his wife, that this is a form of the most insidious kind of lying.
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sailwind
That the man is and was never a sexual harrasser that the Media gleefully accused him as being in the first place.
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hoserfella
I'm gonna miss him. Maybe the funniest thing about Cain was that for a few months he forced the racist right-wing nutjobs to claim that he was great.
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sailwind
I also do have to take some offense of the name calling here on this thread in regards to Mr. Cain. Chump, Idiot etc. Black Americans have the same intelligence as white Americans. Sad to see posters still stuck on that Black Americans have an inferior intellect.
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sailwind
Agreed, now that his mind control force beam has been defeated those right wing racist nutjobs can get back to supporting Romney.
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Laguna
Newt's already brought himself down. His conversion to Catholicism seems to be sufficient mea culpa for the Tea Party to atone for his marital indiscretions; it is his been his aggressive role as a lobbyist that will sink him once the slower people become aware of it (amazing how Tea Partiers - theoretically political-oriented people - are often so slow on the uptake!)
Who Newt lobbied for and how much he made will become the next focus of the media, as it should - that is their job. Nonetheless, when he does crash and burn, I fully expect many posters on this board to blame the media.
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Serrano
yabits: "This is a challenge that could only come from the head of a sixth-grader. Adults should know that when a man has a "friendship" with a woman for over a decade, buys her gifts and gives her money, and keeps the relationship a complete secret from his wife, that this is a form of the most insidious kind of lying"
Apparently yabits, in his condescending post likening me to a sixth-grader, cannot come to grips with the fact that millions of married men have friendships with other women without having affairs.
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Graham DeShazo
"suspend" means to go crawl back under your rock and hope that nobody will notice.
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paulinusa
"millions of married men have friendships with other women without having affairs."
Wish I could afford to have a few of these "friendships".
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anglootaku
That's WEAK... he should have been a fighter and ignored silly rumors from people with nothing better to do but cause attention on camera..
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plasticmonkey
@sailwind:
Who said such a thing? Cain's deficiencies in nuanced thinking has no more to do with race than Bachmann's does with gender.
The anti-intellectual wing of the GOP continues to field candidates who take pride in ignorance and simple-mindedness while deriding Obama and "liberals" for being elitist eggheads. The GOP has taken this tack because they know it appeals to a large segment of the American public who don't want to think too much. Some people, including me, are appalled by that strategy. That is the issue, not race.
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sailwind
I fail to reach any other conclusion that you have drawn other than based`on your racial bias. It is certainly not based on factual evidence.
It does not square with Mr. Cain's educational background.
Graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Science in mathematics.
Accepted for graduate studies at Purdue University, Cain received a Master of Science in computer science there in 1971,
Mathematics and Computer Science are disciplines that are steeped in nuanced thinking. What is even more impressive is that Mr. Cain was in the beginning of the vanguard of a pretty brand new field called Computer Science in the early seventies was get getting started and eventual led to the internet and technologies that we have today. Again I must conclude that your basing your demeaning rhetoric and others demeaning rhetoric based on racial stereotypes and not on actual facts.
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DS
Ah, the sweet shortness of the liberal memory. It was only a few years ago, in 2007, when the Democrats were having the same winnowing process that the GOP is now- seeking a candidate. Complete with such political luminaries as Dennis Kusinich, Mike Gravel, Al Sharpton, and John Edwards.
Things will sort themselves out, and the serious candidates will survive. As they do with primaries for both parties.
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smithinjapan
Hahahaha! I called this last week. Like I said (and sorry, Nicki for saying it again!), once a person says they will 'never step down' they're as good as gone.
Serrano: "I wonder if Sushi can provide some proof that these women are telling the truth and Cain is lying."
Yep, all five women must have been lying -- all FIVE. The same women, at least in a couple of cases, that Cain denied paying any money to, then had to admit he lied, then about the amount paid to keep them quiet about the 'friendships'. Yabits was right in his comment towards you about the 'depth' of the argument, Serrano.
Anyway, good riddance to bad rubbish. Which GOP loser amongst the rest of them is next on the chopping block? This is amusing to watch, and even funnier when you remember these are the best the GOP has to offer!
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WilliB
"Suspending" means he quits. Probably for the better. I am not worried about the trumped-up accusations by the democrat activist media. But the way handled it was not good. Instead of telling them to take hike and take their politics of personal destruction with them, he stooped to their level and tried to mud-wrestle them. That shows he is not ready for political reality.
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Himajin
She said--
"Ginger White, the woman alleging she had a 13-year sexual affair with Herman Cain, apologized Thursday to Cain's wife and their children for her actions, which could end up putting the nail in the coffin on the Republican businessman's bid for the White House.
"I am not a cold-hearted person. I am a mother of two kids. And of course my heart bleeds for this woman because I am a woman and being in a situation like this can not be fun," White said on MSNBC.
"And I am deeply, deeply sorry if I have caused any hurt to her and to his kids, to his family. That was not my intention. I never wanted to hurt anyone and I'm deeply sorry. I am very sorry"
If she was so sorry, wasn't she sorry all 13 years? And if so, why talk about it now? Scuzzy women come out of the woodwork every time a election rolls around. If they were having affairs with married men, it would be nice if their consciences kicked in before they dropped their knickers....they should be ashamed of themselves, but instead get their time on all the talk shows.
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smithinjapan
WilliB: "I am not worried about the trumped-up accusations by the democrat activist media."
It seems you do indeed fear the "Democratic machine", because it's at the forefront of every one of yours posts whenever a GOP member screws up -- which is daily.
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TokyoGas
Ahhh So Sugar Cain finally decided that his name was strong enough to enrich his bank account. He will be laughing all the way to the bank. I wonder how long before Fox signs him for a talk show.
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sailwind
Mr, Cain was`already a self made millionaire with plenty of money he had earned previously in his career before he even announced that he was running for President. Highly doubtful that he did this to increase his name to get more cash in the bank.
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RomeoR
Good thing the MSM treated Obama the same way they have Herman Cain.
Oh, wait . . .
RR
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smithinjapan
sailwind: "I also do have to take some offense of the name calling here on this thread in regards to Mr. Cain. Chump, Idiot etc."
Automatically assuming that people are calling him a 'chump' or 'idiot' because he's black is... well... racist. The same people calling this man a chump and a fool, which is clearly is, call palin a dolt, and use Perry's gaffe's and memory slips to say he's an idiot as well. ALL of the GOP candidates are equally chumps and idiots. Does that remove any of your doubts, or were you just trying to stir the pot a little?
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SushiSake3
plasticmonkey - "The anti-intellectual wing of the GOP continues to field candidates who take pride in ignorance and simple-mindedness while deriding Obama and "liberals" for being elitist eggheads. The GOP has taken this tack because they know it appeals to a large segment of the American public who don't want to think too much. Some people, including me, are appalled by that strategy. That is the issue, not race."
Couldn't have said it better myself. This has nothing to do with race and eveything to do with ignorant, uninformed candidates propped up by people who really should know better.
To think that ANY thinking Amercan would consider ANY of these GOP/TP candidates bar Jon Huntsman to be a serious canidate for the world's most powerful job is just incredulous.
Absolutely a.m.a.z.i.n.g.
Don't conservatives have ANY pride for their country??
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SushiSake3
Hilarious thing here is that these GOP/TP candidates are being taken down by their own side.
It’s like group suicide.
1/ They’re attacking each other: that’s conservatives attacking conservatives.
2/ They’re being taken down by the conservative media: every time Faux News talks about the latest conservative candidate’s scandal, it spreads bad news and HELPS people NOT to support these idiots.
3/ They’re are being taken down by the very fact that so many conservatives supported this pack of clowns in the first place. Let’s face it – if conservatives had supported candidates like Jon Huntsmans from the get go, they would have had a far better chance of beating President Obama.
As it stands, by putting up such a weak, pathetic bunch of fools, conservatives are kicking themselves in the head AND demolishing their own brand.
And that is something I just cannot for the life of me get my head around.
But it’s all due to the “Democratic Machine” and the “trumped-up accusations by the democrat activist media."
Ha ha ha, can’t stop laughing!! Sooooo funny. :-)
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DS
SS: Considering that the Democrats selected a man whose total business/private sector experience was basically zero, and whose total leadership experience was basically zero, and whose resume was half a term as a junior Senator...
...don't liberals have ANY pride for their country?
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unreconstructed
Grow up. Corny booyah shout-outs are racist. Obama is the democratically elected president of the United States, not one of your 'gangsta' idols.
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unreconstructed
sushisake3
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Don't like em, don't vote for em. Or vote for another 4 years of massive unemployment and disillusion.
The Huntsman hype is real on the Left . Looks like he wants to mount a third party challenge. He has less than 2 percent favorability among repubs; that means he siphons off Obama votes
So I am with sushisake 100 percent on that one:
Go Huntsman!!!! Go USA !!!!!
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j4p4nFTW
As an impartial outside observer, here's how things seem to be going. Cain has been saddled with the false accusations by members of the "mainstream" media in the US, which has a heavily liberal bias. We have yet to see a single court decision proving that Cain did anything wrong, let alone illegal. Yet, those who accuse Cain are given their 15 minutes of fame, allowed to appear on national television, and will somehow squeeze some money out of the whole affair.
Meanwhile, a very viable and strong candidate has been smeared with this libel. This shows the depths to which the morally bankrupt liberals and "lamestream" media will go to in the United States. It is truly regrettable that instead of focusing on the issues at hand, which Mr Cain clearly is well versed in, the liberal media gives more attention to false accusations and hearsay. If America is to regain its strength and credibility in the world it needs to return to a staunch conservative leadership and disavow itself of the liberal media, union thugs, violent protesters and attempted assassination of politicians that we've seen run rampant during the Obama administration.
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SushiSake3
unreconstructed - I can feel your anger due to the fact that your conservative side basically - has no hope in heck of beating President Obama.
Maybe 2016.
Or 2020?
Good luck!?
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unreconstructed
Romney is a chump and an idiot for basically turning around the Olympics in Salt Lake City and saving the event? He won't get my vote but I respect the man. Our affirmative action president Obama cannot hold a candle to the man.
"In 1999 the event already was $379 million in debt, and there were allegations of bribery involving top officials. Romney was asked to head up the games. Under his leadership, they turned into a spectacular success, clearing a profit of $100 million. Romney himself contributed $1 million, and donated his three years of pay ($275,000 per annum) to charity. " [http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/672kwvro.asp]
Seriously, in what world do you live in where a guy with a net worth of 190 million is an idiot?
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hoserfella
I just knew someone would make a knee-jerk comment like this. Where was your sense of racial injustice the dozen times I called George W. Bush a moron? If you think this guy is a Rhodes Scholar, check out Cain's understanding (or lack of) of Libya;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_nDFKAmCo&ob=av3e
He looks like a fifth-grader who didn't study for a history test..
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unreconstructed
ss3
Get your head around the massive defeat the Dems suffered in the mid terms first. That should sort you out pretty well. Not a few Dems are saying that Obama is destroying his party. The fawning One Percent Media is the last thing a narcissist like Obama needs.
But by all means vote for Obama , if you think you can. The four years since the last US pres election have been filled with amazing advances in software and web design so those pathetic online virtual elections held for the benefit of the America obsessed out there will be more realistic than ever and will hopefully help you get your head around the many, many things you don't understand...
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Madverts
Man JT's band of hardcore right-wingers sure know how to rally behind a loser, and defend that loser right to implosion as they are here. If Cain has bowed out there must have been some truth to some of the allegations. And for him to do so now could mean the storm isn't yet over.
I'm not saying every serving Republican politician is the hypocrites that some of them are, but let's face it, for a party that claims to be christian family values the last decade has seen some pretty slimy scandals be it from extra-marital sex to Wide Stancing it in the mens room......
If the brighter elements in the GOP had anything about them they'd splinter the party and get rid of the extremists and the stagnant 2 party system.
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Madverts
"Seriously, in what world do you live in where a guy with a net worth of 190 million is an idiot?"
All depends on how any individual came to have said net worth I imagine.
Being a good business man does not necessarily mean you would be a good politician.
My Cain isn't an idiot - his problem is his alleged groping past, and the recent allegation that he's been having a "sexual" affair with another woman for 13 years. Not good attributes for any politician, let alone one standing for the highest office in the US riding the GOP's moral christo-train.
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unreconstructed
Cain was doomed from the start. He was too great a threat to the status quo that the reactionary Left in America is desperate to keep, no matter how many African American lives are wasted or even destroyed.
The NY TImes recently reported that Obama plans to basically be the historic first in the Democrat Party to abandon the white working middle class in favor of courting the so-called minority vote, unionized federal and state employees and that of wealthy suburban white professionals - latte liberals and their ilk. Cain was a threat and was made an example. Obama has a long history of not beating his rivals but having them removed by any means possible.
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Madverts
"trumped-up accusations by the democrat activist media."
willi you never fail to crack me up. If you can't blame Islam then blame Obama and if that doesn't work blame the media.
The media works by selling stories, the jucier they are the better. Political affiliation means nothing to them when there's a sexy story. Had the democrats put forward such a candidate he's be getting equal treatment for such alleged attrocious behaviour.
And let's face it, we all like to see hypocrites fall. I find the lack of pure scandal in Mr Cain's allegations a tad disappointing to be honest. Back in the W Bush years they were infinitely more newsworthy and hilarious.
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SushiSake3
Talking Cain: Don't they always say, "Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman"? Do conservatives even know what that means?
And Newt: He's made it clear he’s a liar, mean spirited and a complete opportunist. But at least he's unethical.
The only real choice for conservative voters in this presidential election is: which politician do you wish to be sold out by?
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Madverts
"Cain was doomed from the start"
That's the only bit you got right old friend.
He was doomed from the start because of skeletons in the closet.
It isn't a leftist conspiracy with Obama's Chicago bogey-men running around with bodybags. Heh, you and willi should get together over a root beer some time, iron out the conspiracies and get them a little far-fetched. The whole defense of this man certainly reads like yet another massing of strange furry rodents massing at the presipice......
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unreconstructed
Well then, adverts, it seems you, like sushisake3,horserfella,yongyang and smithinjapan will just have to vote Obama when the virtual elections come online. Maybe you lot can get together and design one where Obama wins by a landslide so massive the 22nd Amendment is repealed and Obama, to the delight of the totalitarian Left, is made prez for life.
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Madverts
"The only real choice for conservative voters in this presidential election is: which politician do you wish to be sold out by?"
Bah, politicians selling out isn't a conservative monopoly sushi. Every single one of them world over is a scheming, self-centred git that will sell us all out as soon as he's elected.
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Madverts
"well then, adverts, it seems you, like sushisake3,horserfella,yongyang and smithinjapan will just have to vote Obama when the virtual elections come online"
You've been using that as a bow-out "argumen"t for as long as I can remember. I won't be voting as you well know, but I can still have an opinion. And the truth remains as to why candidate Cain just went down in flames.
If this were a democrat candidate you'd be unable to stop your left leg from involuntary spasms. You know, maybe I think you actually have what it takes to be politican afterall!
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unreconstructed
Cain is gone. Gingrich and Perry pick up his supporters.Romney stays at that perpetual 25 percent of R voter support. The oikophobe , nihilist Left finds a smaller target on which to focus their hatred (and their displaced anger and frustration with Obama's many failures) and the circus goes on...
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Laguna
Hey - we agree!
Oh, but for very different reasons. Wait - the liberals are "reactionary"? Does that mean that the conservatives are "revolutionary"? Do words have any meaning for you?
You've no doubt looked at the latest employment figures: up in all sectors except government; the number of government employees has fallen in each and every year of Obama's administration after soaring during Bush's. Doesn't seem like he's approaching the strategy you're accusing him of very effectively.
This is as unsubstantiated as the rest of your argument is indefensible. Sorry: you lose.
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lostrune2
So after all that, Tea Party candidates have gone up then gone down, and what's left are once again establishment candidates, albeit with some diverging views......................
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smithinjapan
unreconstructed: "The four years since the last US pres election have been filled with amazing advances in software and web design so those pathetic online virtual elections held for the benefit of the America obsessed out there will be more realistic than ever and will hopefully help you get your head around the many, many things you don't understand..."
Wow... someone's upset. Can't blame you, really, given the people you have to support and how badly they mess up all the time. Once again it's humorous to see just how much more non-Americans know what's better for the US than Americans like yourself.
Madverts: "You've been using that as a bow-out "argumen"t for as long as I can remember."
That's all he has to fall back on when he knows how wrong he is. Next he'll be saying non-Americans shouldn't be entitled to an opinion on a JAPANESE news-based website. Oh wait, he's been doing that for years too! :)
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smithinjapan
unreconstructed: "...and the circus goes on..."
Well, you're right about that, at least. Until the GOP actually fields someone intelligent and worthy of running for president this GOP circus WILL continue to go on.
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TravisB
Sex based allegations have destroyed yet another American politician.
Why don't the Americans just ban everything sexual outside of marriage altogether if its so repugnant to the them that mere allegations are enough? American politics are going into the septic tank fast and this is one of the reasons. But hey, if this keeps up pretty soon even pictures of a man with his own wife will destroy him!
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The Truth Matters
Mr. Uzbeki-beki-stan-stan, was never going to be the leader of the free world no matter how slowly he smiled.
He was black, male, Michele Bachmann. All gaff, no substance.
Whenever asked to give a policy, his standard answer was, "I can't answer that until I have all the facts." Basically, he's got nothing but an economic plan based on Sims game.
Yeah, that's what America needs.
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DS
Sex scandals are not by any means exclusive to one party. I remember a certain hopeful in the Democrats in 2008 who actually fathered an illegitimate child, while his wife was dying of cancer....
Politicians on both sides are pretty much the same in morality, or lack thereof. Ditto for financial shenanigans.
IMHO, the process of running for president virtually ensures that the best, most qualified candidates will NOT even enter the fray.
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Madverts
" I remember a certain hopeful in the Democrats in 2008 who actually fathered an illegitimate child, while his wife was dying of cancer...."
Yeah pretty bad, pretty low. But this isn't the nineties. Whilst the conservatives certainly hold no scandal monopoly, Ted Haggard, Mark foley or even Larry Cariag set the Republican scandal bar at lower than ever seen before. We've come to expect JUICE, drug-fueled, gender bending swinging scandals, not some boring old dude that might have groped the staff and simply had an affair....
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Joseph Garrett Baxter
I already predicted that Cain was likely to be guilty and this final 13 year affair just proved it. 1, 2 , and 3. He knew that he would not be able to hide the truth on this relationship so he had to back out. It had nothing to do with the wife saying to get out. But he is in suspended mode so that means there might be some more evidence still gonna come out.
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yabits
The "media" did not accuse Cain. Women did. Several of them.
When the allegations first arose, the reporter at POLITICO did not immediately publish them, but went to the Cain campaign to allow them sufficient time to respond to those allegations. The "media" acted responsibly. As has now been sufficiently demonstrated, Cain did not -- taking his "story" through several "revisions."
As has turned out by someone who kept a 13-year "friendship" with another women completely secret from his wife, Cain tried to play his closest partner for a chump. I believe his wife is naive, gullible, and innocent. Therefore, it is actually Cain who is the chump. Q.E.D. The other woman claims the friendship was actually an affair. I believe the woman far more than I would believe a chump who would keep such a relationship a secret from his wife.
Now, as for the word "idiot," it describes people who would support a man who has acted and lied just as Cain has done. It describes people who actually think Cain was qualified to lead the United States as president. It is foolish in the extreme to believe that the word applies along racial lines.
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yabits
Apparently serrano, in is inability to grasp the adult nature of why it would be wrong for any of those millions of married men to keep a long-tern "friendship" with another woman secret from their wives, actually thinks a child-like understanding of events should be accorded more respect than it deserves.
In Cain's case, the female "friend" claims it was more than just a platonic friendship. Cain is therefore either a fool for choosing his "friends" so poorly, or a liar when he claims that it was just friendship. I believe the fact that Cain kept the relationship a secret means the latter is true. And now that Cain has proven himself dishonest, the rest of the charges against him appear all the more damning.
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yabits
This is the same decrepit thinking that tried selling people on the idea that the last "all-white" president was really a smart guy because he went to Yale, and a genius at business because he had an advanced degree from Harvard's business school. That president went on to preside over the greatest downturn of his nation's economy since the Great Depression, and squandered the massive surplus he inherited, converting it into massive deficit spending.
Nuanced thinking is demonstrated only in what one does after attaining a degree. Cain did nothing to advance the field of mathematics or computer science. The only thing he appears to have wanted to advance and promote is himself.
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yabits
I would like to know, and only a Republican/conservative can tell me: How does it feel to have your ass handed to you by such a "light" candidate?
(Especially when he's gone on to handle quite well the deep problems bequeathed to the nation by the previous, "more-qualified," Republican administration.)
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yabits
Yeah, as long as Herman was safely ensconced as the head of a pizza/restaurant group, the woman might have been comfortable in the belief that the scumbag couldn't do that much harm. But when the scumbag decides to run for president, and it looks like people are buying the false picture he's putting up, it could only be "scuzziness" that would compel them to come forward as Americans to assert that they personally know that the nation deserves much better.
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Serrano
yabits: "Apparently serrano ( Serrano ), in is ( his ) inability to grasp the adult nature of why it would be wrong for any of those millions of married men to keep a long-tern ( term ) "friendship" with another woman secret from their wives, actually thinks a child-like understanding of evets should be accorded more respect than it deserves..."
yabits - I'm laughing at the superior intellect.
"... In Cain's case, the female "friend" claims it was more than just a platonic friendship. Cain is therefore either a fool for choosing his "friends" so poorly, or a liar..."
LOL! As if Cain has any control over what this woman claims now, years later.
"... And now that Cain has proven himself dishonest"
Um, not yet. You can't prove Cain had a love affair with any of these women. Admit it yabits.
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Serrano
yabits: "when the scumbag ( Cain ) decides to run for president"
Heh, reduced to insults now, eh yabits?
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yabits
Indeed. Because that is exactly what an immature sixth-grader would do.
Cain claims that he carried on a 13-year relationship that he kept secret from his wife. On that, Cain and his woman friend are in complete agreement. That woman says that Cain is unfit to be president. (I agree with her on that one.)
Immature people require "proof" when simple common sense should suffice. For those with common sense, the proven fact that Cain decided to keep his 13-year relationship a secret from his wife should be enough to seal any deal on the man's lack of integrity.
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Serrano
So, yabits either cannot or will not admit that he cannot prove Cain had a love affair, or indeed actually lied about anything. Now that's immature.
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SushiSake3
madverts - "If the brighter elements in the GOP .."
You're talking as if there are some.
Good one. :-)
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SushiSake3
Yabits - "That woman says that Cain is unfit to be president."
Seems to me that many conservatives on this site are unfit to be voters and have to be told - as usual - what is really happening by non-Americans. :-)
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SushiSake3
Amazing how Cain just invented enemies at every turn instead of doing what any man of integrity would have done and blamed himself.
His past and his twisting and turning makes him responsible for his own defeat.
But looking back on his failed campaign, conservatives everywhere can hold their heads high that Cain upheld their proud tradition of failure, truth-twisting and hypocrisy.
That said, keep an eye out for his new book: "Herman Cain: How I successfully fooled conservatives.”
**What is a modern day conservative? **
It's supporting spreading freedom on one hand while supporting legislation to strip freedoms from women regarding their ability to decide what to do with their own bodies on the other.
It's about proclaiming their Christian-ness while not being bothered to follow Christian principles.
It's about ignoring and turning a blind eye to injustices, lies, deception and downright idiotic statements and claims made by people who represent you.
It's about claiming to be 'pro-life' while vocally supporting murder and wars in foreign lands.
No wonder the GOP is in a death spial.
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SushiSake3
While Cain “suspends” (read: quits) his campaign, libs everywhere suspend belief that any sensible American could actually support any players in this Republican Idol show.
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TravisB
By reporting on mere allegations that were dropped on agreement of silence of all parties involved? I don't think so. The press put those women and Cain on the spot for no good reason.
Despite the fact that she only reason she spoke was because she was threatened?
And how do we know it was a secret from his wife? Are you omnipotent?
Different couples go by different rules. And none of us should be holding other people to the rules of our relationships. Its just not our business, because there is a serious lack of understanding of what goes on between couples. Even if Mrs. Cain stood up and declared that Mr.Cain was allowed a mistress, by her expressly, where would it lead? Cain still would not be treated fairly. It hardly matters what aspect of a person's sex life is displayed, the end result is always damage and needless political upheaval. Unless someone is pressing legal charges, or all parties agree to allow a story, it should be illegal to report on such private matters, doubly so when none of them are actually going to be properly investigated.
Cain has been tossed in the dumpster on pure hearsay. Its as sick and degrading to him as it is to the country.
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The Truth Matters
Considering that the Cain camp claimed that it came from the Perry camp and the story originated from Politico (hardly a liberal bastion), my question to you is, are you completely unaware how this has unfolded or is everything left of Ghengis Khan the "reactionary Left" to you?
Either way, you look quite foolish.
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TravisB
And what if the truth is that his wife no longer performs for one reason or another, and actually gave him permission? Do you expect him to air his wife's dirty laundry as well?
For all you know, the lie might be to protect his wife rather than himself. In fact, even if she did not give permission, hiding it was also to protect his wife. We don't tell spouses things that will hurt them if we can avoid it.
And Mrs. Cains opinion? Well don't be shocked if she forgives him and declares that she simply did not want to know. And don't be too surprised if Cain knew his wife better than you and anticipated all that. Would not be the first time that happened. And if it does? Who hurt her? It was the press and people like you who imagine you have a right to know. Well no, morally, you don't have that right. You don't have the right to tear anyone's private life apart.
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unreconstructed
smithisjapan
Read my posts. Obama is destroying his party. I am far from upset.
I basically don't vote, but I 'support' libertarians. I'd recommend a few writers but their works, even the introductory material, is over your head.
When your hero/boyfriend Obama takes up figure skating I will concede that point.
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DS
Yabits wrote:
"I would like to know, and only a Republican/conservative can tell me: How does it feel to have your ass handed to you by such a "light" candidate?"
There's no mystery to Obama's victory. He ran a tight campaign against an unpopular incumbent and an uninspiring opponent. Plus, most importantly, the economy was in the crapper. All factors which made the thinness of Obama's resume a smaller issue than it should have been.
2012- bad economy, made worse by an unpopular incumbent. He's ripe for the picking. Look for President Romney.
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unreconstructed
Right after you tell us how "victory" feels.
Pres. Golfpants abdicates and summons Bill Clinton to tell the nation that the Bush tax cuts were being extended.
"I have kept the First Lady waiting for half an hour..."
Leadership !
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yabits
Cain admitted his wife never knew about the relationship. It doesn't take omnipotence, just a basic reading of the facts.
This is funny. So, there appears to be one group of conservatives -- let's call them the Jekylls -- who want to uphold silly things like "values" and marriage vows like "forsaking all others." There there's the Hydes, who will look for any rationalization, any excuse, to argue that those values might not apply in the cases they specify. In the end, they're all the same conservatives -- hypocritical jackals.
I never heard that rationalization used by any liberal to try to defend Hillary Clinton from these conservative jackals. Note that Republican candidate/leader Newt Gingrich was cheating on his second wife at the very same time he was pointing a finger at Clinton. It takes a conservative to come up with such craziness in the attempt to turn black into white.
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yabits
It's nice to see Republicans and conservatives admit that years of Republican mismanagement drove the economy into the "crapper" and that the new president inherited some of the most severe challenges facing any since FDR.
It is too bad, however, that conservatives will not admit their culpability in the fiasco, humble themselves a bit, and set an example of how to work together with a president elected by a wide majority of the American people to try to fix those problems. That is not what the American people have seen.
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yabits
Well, judging by the way how Obama's victory has inspired such constant, hate-filled invective and lies from a motley crowd of ever-changing identities, I would have to say that the Democratic campaign of 2008 was the race that launched a thousand twits.
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SushiSake3
Pretty funny how when conservative candidates’ campaigns implode through their own doing, conservatives start screaming it’s a “liberal” or “media” “plot”, which does nothing except successfully highlight their ongoing issues with reality and making themselves be subjected to yet another bunch of non-Americans having to waste time straightening out their warped opinions.
But the upside of this – and the conservatives’ choice of candidates – is it shows that conservatives still have a sense of humor. :-)
DS - " Look for President Romney"
Not going to happen. He'll be brought to his knees by the people he wants to vote for him.
Happens every time.
You see, the conservative establishment has about as much of a plan to win as Saddam Hussein had WMD. Conservatives have circled the wagons and are shooting at each other.
While President Obama and his team – and millions of libs – sit back and laugh ourselves silly.
Really, since when has self destruction ever been a “strategy”?
It’s not and never will be, but conservative candidates and their surrogates are going at it full tilt.
Only last week, conservatives HateMeister-in-Chief, Rush Limburgh came out in support of Cain. And look what happened.
Glug glug glug……..ditto for conservative presidential attempts in this election cycle.
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Serrano
"Newt is now the frontrunner"
Get ready for 4 more years of President Barack Obama and a resurgent economy!
Already the unemployment rate is below 9%!
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SushiSake3
Yabits - "It is too bad, however, that conservatives will not admit their culpability in the fiasco, humble themselves a bit, and set an example of how to work together with a president elected by a wide majority of the American people to try to fix those problems."
Impossible. For conservatives, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault - even when the conservative is holding the bloodied knife.
Because in ConservativeWorld, "responsibility" means "anyone but me takes the fall."
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smithinjapan
Serrano: "Um, not yet. You can't prove Cain had a love affair with any of these women. Admit it yabits."
Ummm... didn't Cain lie about payments? If so that's still a lie, no? Never mind he lied to his wife about the 'friendship'.
unreconstructed: "When your hero/boyfriend Obama takes up figure skating I will concede that point."
So you claim that the material you subscribe to would be over my head, but this is the kind of 'retort' you give to an argument? You never even mentioned Herman Cain ONCE in your post -- you know, the guy the thread is about -- but could only blather on about Obama.
Like I said, it's pretty clear you're upset. And like I also said, it's no wonder why -- once again show the error of your nation's politics (namely, the GOP) by a non-American. Tsk tsk.
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sailwind
Now, as for the word "idiot," it describes people who would support a man who has acted and lied just as Cain has done.
If that is the case Yabits and your beiefs, please post your withdrawal of support for President Clinton and start calling his current supporters "idiots" also.
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yabits
As far as Clinton the candidate went, I totally withdrew my support for him in '92 as soon as he claimed he didn't inhale. (Anyone who bought or buys his "did not inhale" story is an idiot.)
Two significant things happened since the campaign of 1992, however. First was that Clinton won the White House despite his moral problems. His presidency must therefore be evaluated in terms of its accomplishments -- which ended up in his winning a second term -- independently from his moral failings.
Secondly, Clinton came out and admitted he had a problem and sought help for it. (Cain, by contrast, is still in denial.)
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sailwind
Now, as for the word "idiot," it describes people who would support a man who has acted and lied just as Cain has done.
Yabits, you made a firm clear concise statement with out qualifications,
Now I see you have qualified it. Though I am still confused. You stated that you didn't support Clinton the candidate and that people who did were idiots.Since he was elected it was now okay on your part to join the idiots which makes you smart now?
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yabits
There is a vast difference between Clinton and Cain despite their common moral failings. That fact alone probably counts for a lot of the confusion.
Clinton had and has a grasp of the issues facing us, and the ability to articulate them, an ability that is completely missing in Cain. Cain was a one-issue person -- "nine-nine-nine" -- and even that "solution" was deemed crazy by 99 out of 100 reputable economists.
I get it. If I had gotten behind Herman Cain, and I had no sense of self-responsibility, I'd be trying to take it out on other people too.
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Lawbowski
Now maybe Charlie Sheen will throw his hat into the ring?
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sailwind
A person with no sense of self-responsibility would also have no compunction on calling folks that disagree with them politically "idiots' or other really demeaning language and not think twice about it or the harm that they cause to another individual or to our national political discourse. Those on the right are also not immune to this crassness though it sure is obvious that this trait is a lot more prevalent in those who have a liberal political outlook,
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DS
Yabits;
There is plenty of blame to go around for the economy. Again the strawman argument though- I didn't "admit" that the right was responsible. Try avoiding that, it makes it difficult to have an adult discussion. The roots of the disaster can be seen even before Bush, in the whole low interest policy pushed by the government. It made getting loans far too easy for people who frankly shouldnt have received them. Add that to the ridiculous "too big to fail" policy that both Bush and Obama supported, and we are where we are. These aren't entirely political issues that require partisan attitudes.
As for Cain, he was never ready for prime time. He has a great personal story, but wasn't careful enough to hide his personal failings. Welcome to being a question on a game show, Herman.
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TravisB
I would say the same for anyone who believes they are getting the truth about sexual matters. Politicians lie about private matters. They lie like rugs. And you know what? They have every right to. Its us that have no rights concerning their private lives.
I said the same things about Clinton. I am no conservative. And I am not going to say stupid things just to not be confused for one. I will speak my conscience. Clinton or Cain, their sex lives are not my business, nor yours.
Heck, neither is their past experience with pot. When they lie about those things, I support them doing so. It proves they are not so weak as to bow to petty over-reaching public interest. It proves they have a spine. It proves they know where your rights end and their own begins.
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yabits
It takes more than just disagreeing politically for a person to be called out as acting like an idiot.
I do think twice about it. But I'm a liberal and have been witness to decades of hate-filled, anti-liberal invective in a discourse that was dragged down long before I became active in it. There has been a hate-filled strain in American politics for decades now, and it's not coming from the liberals. As FDR proclaimed: "They are unanimous in their hate for me, and I welcome their hatred."
I believe a positive, productive discourse can only be had among people of good will who genuinely want to achieve the outcome of a better life for all Americans. When a Herman Cain proclaims that "If you're not rich, it's your own damn fault," I am afraid I am witness to a delusional sociopath, completely out of touch with reality. And people think this is a suitable candidate to follow people like FDR?
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yabits
There IS plenty of blame to go around, and what blame is to be apportioned to the Democratic side is because they failed to act as Democrats. Instead, they followed the Republican Pied Piper's call of massive deregulation of so many industries, signed terribly harmful "free-trade" agreements, wimped out on things like universal health care, etc.
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Himajin
I hope you're not in law enforcement, or mathematics....'immature people require proof'...oh my....
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smithinjapan
sailwind: "A person with no sense of self-responsibility would also have no compunction on calling folks that disagree with them politically "idiots' "
Just to clarify; a lot of people on this thread have been using 'idiot' to refer to Cain. You, instead, came on here and suggested that 'idiot' refer to people who 'support a certain immoral candidate' and made reference to Clinton (and as such his supporters). How does that foot taste?
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DS
Thank you for admitting that you were wrong, Yabits. It's rare to see that honesty here.
The finanical mess has many parts, most of which have to do with politicians trying to feather their own nests. Add to that the government compunction to try and pick winners and losers in the economy, the artificial stimulus programme that would not allow bad businesses to fail (as they should), and you have today.
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sailwind
Smith,
Yabits posted,
.A man who acted as Cain is alleged to have done wold be non other than Mr. Bill Clinton.
Your said
> You, instead, came on here and suggested that 'idiot' refer to people who 'support a certain immoral candidate' and made reference to Clinton (and as such his supporters). How does that foot taste?
I fail to see how one could not make the obvious connection.
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cracaphat
Hard to find a pol who hasn't cheated on his wife,but he shoulda given her a few dollars to be quiet about their relationship. Dumping her just before you announce you're running for prez was not a high percentage move.
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sailwind
I held yabits accountable for his statement and never stated such a thing myself as my personal view,
Calling people Idiots, dolts and whatever juvenile words they can use to demean and degrade an individual shows no self-responsibility as the intended effect is to willfully inflict damage to either an individual or a whole group that may support that individual and his or her beliefs. Once this becomes the norm in demonizing an individual or group after a while future generations are more prone to view them as outsiders or even sub-human in the extreme case. Self responsibility is to exercise care in ones speech as words can lead to actions and if used to demean, degrade and diminish can lead to actions that promote and in fact condone violence against the group being demonized.
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JeremiahW
The Cain Scrutiny was a success. He was forced out of the race.Kudos to the website Politico for running all those stories. Let's hope enough reporters picked up the lessons and the technique and showmanship and can use the same techniques to discredit the remaining GOP guys.Unfortunately it looks pretty certain Obama can't run on his record (except for his incredibly gutsy call on killing Bin Laden ) so its going to be a nasty campaign.
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Nessie
At least he didn't blame the liberal media. He left that to the partisans on this page.
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unreconstructed
Hate-filled? The worst thing I could say about Obama was said by - Obama.
He admitted while at Harvard that he had benefitted from affirmative action. And I assume that is why the American public cannot see his university transcripts or know who paid his way through school.
There is also the video from 06 where he rules out a presidential run because, as he admits, he believes we needed someone who 'knows what they're doin' , and that was not Obama upon election to the Senate.
The second worst thing I could say about Obama,very hate-filled I think you will agree, was said by the Democrat party's most successful president since FDR, and its only two-term president since that era.
From the book Game Change
"But Bill then went on, belittling Obama in a manner that deeply offended Kennedy. Recounting the conversation later to a friend, Teddy fumed that Clinton had said, A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee."
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Ben_Jackinoff
Well, I must say this came out of the blue.
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smithinjapan
unreconstructed: "Hate-filled? The worst thing I could say about Obama was said by - Obama."
HAHAhaha! There's a laugh! Your constant obsession with the man and insults towards him were obviously not said by him. Classic! And once again I notice you have not said a thing about Cain in your comment -- you know, the man that had to bow out of the race due to his lying and sexual exploits (or so it's been alleged by FIVE women!). Like I said, though -- the obsession!
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The Truth Matters
You seem to be obsessed with President Obama. Do you have an opinion about Herman Cain? This is, after all, a thread about Herman Cain.
I'd see someone about that obsession. It's not healthy.
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MrDarryl
@sailwind Anyone know Obama's college grades yet?
Have you seen any POTUS' grades? They are sealed for everyone for a reason.
Next!!!
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MrDarryl
When Cain started saying that he was the most feared candidate by the Dems because he was black...(laughable at best) I had to #Salts. Most black people were NOT going to vote for Cain. Sorry. Oh and BTW, I think Joe Frazier wants his hat back Herm. You can place it on his tombstone. You won't be needing it anymore.
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Serrano
yabits: "When a Herman Cain proclaims "If you're not rich it's your own damn fault"
Cain's actual quote was "If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself." He was referring to the Wallstreeters who have been making such a nuisance of themselves, city authorities have evicted them, heh heh.
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DS
In that sense, Cain was right. The vast majority of wealthy and successful people in the US are in that position because of their own efforts, not inheritance or trust funds. Get a job, work hard, open your own business, work harder, employ others, that is the usual formula for financial success.
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Vernie Jefferies
Looks like Cain is not Abel....(Able to run)
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yabits
Marc Pitzke's "The Republicans' Farcical Candidates: A Club of Liars, Demagogues and Ignoramuses" at Spiegel Online International provides a capsule description of the GOP presidential field in the title.
Says Pitzke, "They lie. They cheat. They exaggerate. They bluster. They say one idiotic, ignorant, outrageous thing after another. They've shown such stark lack of knowledge -- political, economic, geographic, historical -- that they make George W. Bush look like Einstein and even cause their fellow Republicans to cringe. ...What a nice club that is. A club of liars, cheaters, adulterers, exaggerators, hypocrites and ignoramuses. "A starting point for a chronicle of American decline," was how David Remnick, the editor of the New Yorker, described the current Republican race."
It is better to employ the word "idiot" and risk bruising an ego or two than actually giving any of the Republican idiots the keys to the car and causing serious harm to millions of people.
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JeremiahW
Spiegel has always held repukes feet to the fire. Good stuff. They hate America with the best.
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telecasterplayer
Obama will be reelected.
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HonestDictator
Well, mudslinging and skeletons ALWAYS come out of the closet when people start trying to run for some office or another. Cain just wasn't smart enough to handle his business before he announced his campaign for the oval office. Honestly though the republican line up isn't going off too well and I'm pretty sure that Obama will get another term. Even so both sides need to stop this pointless bickering and start using their brains and supposed skills to do their job, instead of relying on empty air promises and blame games.
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sailwind
@sailwind Anyone know Obama's college grades yet?
Have you seen any POTUS' grades? They are sealed for everyone for a reason.
Next!!!
Confidential college transcripts and test scores obtained by the Washington Post reveal that neither presidential candidate, George W. Bush nor Al Gore, were shining students during their college days at Yale and Harvard, respectively. Both earned a mix of B and C grades. Gore's lowest grade of D came in a natural sciences course, while his top grades were an A in French and English, an A in Visual and Environmental Studies, and an A- in Social Relations. Bush's lowest marks were a 70 (of 100) in Sociology and a 71 in Economics, while his highest scores were High Passes in History and Japanese.
Interesting that Bush took Japanese in college I'd say..........Next!!!!!!
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Himajin
How did Bill Clinton's 'bimbo eruptions' remain hidden till he got into office?
'Idiots'? John Edwards is a genius? Preaching 'green' while living in a 28,200 sq foot mansion (it's not just conservatives who like mansions, check out Micheal Moore's homes...) , cheating on his wife while she was dying of cancer? Gary Hart? How about the Kennedy brothers? The constant parade of bimbos and starlets through the White House private quarters? Yeah, only conservatives have trouble keeping their pants zipped, or saying one thing while doing another...
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The Truth Matters
Himajin,
It's true that both Democrats and republicans have a hard time keeping their pants zipped up, to that I will agree. Here's the rub. There's only one party that can't keep it's pants on while claiming it's the "family values" party. And from a conservative standpoint, at least Clinton, Hart and the Kennedys were all with adult women. Larry "wide stance" Craig, "Diaper" Dave Vitter, Mark Foley, get where I'm going with this? They had a hard time keeping it out of the dungeon, all while claiming to be "family values" guys.
Vitter wore a diaper, for goodness sake. Edwards is scum but he's not a weirdo.
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Himajin
Quite lenient with the standards for your own party I see........because they don't claim to be a 'family values' party (and what does that say) their cheating is less bad than those of the party that is? I think that's called 'moral relativism' . Either something's wrong or it isn't. Evidently it isn't when it's a liberal doing it, or Clinton would never have got into office.
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