California man linked to anti-Islam film taken in for questioning

World Sep. 15, 2012 - 06:39PM JST ( 38 )

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Daffy_DuckSep. 15, 2012 - 07:08PM JST

Wonder what will happen to him?
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Herve Nmn L'EisaSep. 15, 2012 - 08:12PM JST

It may also be determined that he obtained US citizenship fraudulently, and may subsequently be deported to his nation of birth as an offering.
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Elbuda MexicanoSep. 15, 2012 - 08:31PM JST

This stupid idiot has lots of blood on his hands! Thanks to this fool, the few Coptic Christians, and other Christians living behind enemy lines, in the eyes of angry blood thirsty Muslim mobs will just be slaughtered in Egypt and in all those countries that do not like living in the 21 Century. This fool with that wired long name is NO American!! But too late, now fools and terrorists will only want to get some kind of revenge against America and Americans so I really hate violence but if fools think they can attack American embassies and live another day?? Sorry but Mr.Obama needs to send lots of US Marines, drones etc... To kind of let them countries learn to respect and FEAR the USA, fear and respect, respect and fear seem to go a long, long way. You support AlQaeda?? Ok! You must move on to martyrdom or what ever BS terrorists think they believe in. Even though we live on one planet, some really evil twisted terrorists are always look for a chance to kill us, so better to kill them with drones, etc... before they even get a chance to hurt us or our friends around the world.
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VirtuosoSep. 15, 2012 - 08:32PM JST

What's really contemptible is that the man and his cohorts appear to be masquerading as Jews. Deport them to Tel Aviv. I'm sure the Israelis can put them to use as human land mine detectors.
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WilliBSep. 15, 2012 - 08:32PM JST

The Obama administration has outed him, so he is a walking dead man. They are not going to offer him 24-hour police protection for the rest of his live, so it is only a question until a religious fanatic will murder him.

The people who published his identiy have blood on their hands.
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VirtuosoSep. 15, 2012 - 08:42PM JST

The people who published his identiy have blood on their hands.

Maybe, but some might argue that he has Ambassador Stevens' blood on his hands.
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MadvertsSep. 15, 2012 - 08:44PM JST

"The people who published his identiy have blood on their hands."

He would seem to have plenty on his own.

Why am I not surprised to see you defending a fellow, radical Islamophobe wiil?
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SerranoSep. 15, 2012 - 08:48PM JST

"Nakoula Basseley Nakoula"

Troublemaker.
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yasukuniSep. 15, 2012 - 09:01PM JST

So what happens to all the people who make fun of Christ or the Buddha or Joseph Smith or Hubbard. ?
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Elbuda MexicanoSep. 15, 2012 - 09:16PM JST

How in the hell can anybody even try to defend this dork, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55 years old living down in Cerritos, California?? Mr.Obama has blood on his hands for?? For finding the idiot responsible for this stupid movie that has brought out all the nutcases onto the surface to try and attack all American embassies in those Muslim countries?? Next, somebody here will cry about the lack of freedom of speech and all that other BS. America has been at war for many years, in Iraq, then Afghanistan, and not thanks to this idiot fool,Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55 years old living down in Cerritos, California will have a lot of answering to do. Yes, I do love the freedom of speech, but in times of war, you need to know when to keep your mouth shut, lose lips sink ships was not just not just a World War 2 saying.
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oberstSep. 15, 2012 - 09:41PM JST

That ars%$#hole is abusing free speech, what he did was hate speech which is NOT our value. Throw the books at this dude , what ever happen next to him is all his own doing .
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donkusaiSep. 15, 2012 - 10:01PM JST

Yasukuni: "So what happens to all the people who make fun of Christ or the Buddha or Joseph Smith or Hubbard. ?"

These people sigh, and then try to reason with you about why they believe what they believe. You may think they're fools, or you might see where they're coming from, but they at least won't call for you to be killed. All movements, religions, ideologies etc. need to go through a maturing phrase. I don't believe Islam has yet to do this. The world will be a better place after they do.
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jforceSep. 15, 2012 - 10:38PM JST

Filmakers, and even bad ones, are artists. To attack anything should be up for grabs. That is true freedom. I am tired of people - especially religious nuts (probably get me kicked off JT again for having an opinion)- for tainting what diplomacy means. It means to talk it out and if that fails, then go back, regroup and start again. Now, my method for regrouping is leave the whole area. Just let Israel deal with them all. Stop having oil .... and oil dictate federal policy. Let's get out. We have no business being there as honest citizens. We just want the black gold but there is a lot of it in Alberta and Alaska. While using that we can go back to being innovators and then FINALLY say to all those wife-beating, stone-throwing, wife-burning, wife-abusing, ... etc ... go to a very dark void (can't say the H-E-double hockey sticks or I'll get kick off JT). Get some backbone and just get out.
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WilliBSep. 15, 2012 - 10:46PM JST

Virtuoso:

" Maybe, but some might argue that he has Ambassador Stevens' blood on his hands. "

Oh really. So the people who murdered Ambassador Stevens have no responsibility for their actions? The poor souls just could not help to go on a murderous rampage because they felt were so upset?

Do you actually realize how insulting such a patronizing and defeatist attitude is to moderate muslims? What you are saying is that we can not regard muslims as responsible adults, because they will behave on impulse like animals. If I were a moderate muslim, I´d be highly offended by comments such as yours.
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Elbuda MexicanoSep. 15, 2012 - 10:47PM JST

Donkusai, just look a couple of hundreds years back in Europe, the Spanish Inquisition, killing all them Muslims, Jews etc..who would not convert to Catholism or in France the Catholics murdering French who had betrayed Catholics by converting to Protestant Christians and the list just goes on and on and on, not just a MUSLIM thing, well not in the history of people and religions and violence.
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WilliBSep. 15, 2012 - 10:50PM JST

Elbudo Mexicano:

" How in the hell can anybody even try to defend this dork, "

He might be a dork, but he still has a right to free speech, and most importantly, to live. Just as Salman Rushdie has, just Molly Norris, just as the Danish cartoonists have, just as Robert Redeker has, just Theo van Gogh had, and just as all the other people have who are living under death threats from muslim radicals.

Again, the Obama admins decision to out his identiy is akin to murdering him. And that is way unfair a punishment for being "a dork".
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donkusaiSep. 15, 2012 - 10:59PM JST

Elbuda Mexicano: You seemed to have missed the point of my post. The whole point of maturing is to go from an infantile state to a mature state. All religions, ideologies, movements etc. go through a stage of growth (hopefully) where they move on from the infantile to mature. The things you mention about Christianity are from it's stage of maturing. There is no Spanish Inquisition today, nor should there ever be again. Christianity has matured beyond that (in most places). We can see today that Communism is going through a maturing stage in China, so perhaps soon we can leave the days of Stalin and Tiananmen Square behind, though we still have a little way to go. As I said, I don't think Islam is at this stage yet. It has to go through some sort of redefinition and maturity. If it doesn't, it will eventually cease to be relevant.
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presto345Sep. 15, 2012 - 11:23PM JST

He might be a dork, but he still has a right to free speech,

I'm sure he does and with that goes the right to provoke and incite violence. There will always be those who can't refrain from trying to see how far the limits of free speech stretch. To them there are no limits and their callousness prevents them from seeing the damage they do.
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plasticmonkeySep. 15, 2012 - 11:36PM JST

There are laws against inciting violence, and whoever made this video did just that. Free speech should not trample the dignity of others.

I have no sympathies whatsoever with radical Islam and its pathetic self-pity. The knuckleheads out there rioting have no justification.

The knucklehead who made the video could easily anticipate a violent reaction. That is an abuse of free speech.
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fivegogo2003@yahoo.comSep. 16, 2012 - 12:01AM JST

I don't believe that Muslim people is that gullible, it's another attempt to take our freedom of speech by instigating this in all mainstream media. Arab world is tired of the west for meddling in their internal affairs.
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LowlySep. 16, 2012 - 12:24AM JST

You got it all wrong,

the rioters are ppl looking for an excuse to riot. They are not necessarily what the average ppl of those areas think. They are ppl who are soccer -hooligan types who now have justification to rampage, ppl out of work and with other local grievances, ppl who came in on purpose from al qaeda -type groups to agitate, etc.

The guy who made the video became an excuse for the rioting and protests. Remember it was on youtube for like six mos before an extremist in the Muslim world put it on tv and incited. The moviemaker is their tool.
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Daffy_DuckSep. 16, 2012 - 01:21AM JST

So what happens to all the people who make fun of Christ or the Buddha or Joseph Smith or Hubbard. ?

That's acceptable apparently.

One rule for the Muslims, another rule for everyone else.
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MadvertsSep. 16, 2012 - 02:15AM JST

Who the hell does Egypt's Prime Minister Hisham Qandil think he is telling the US it must do all it can to stop citizens from insulting Islam? The criticism first and foremost should be towards their own citizens acting insane.

I'm not American and even I find his comments insulting. Most of the carnage in Iraq and Afghanistan was Muslim on Muslim slaughter. Get your own house in order Egypt before bowing to the uneducated mobs rioting that have probably never even used the internet....
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HonestDictatorSep. 16, 2012 - 02:30AM JST

Oh my god, I can't believe how willing people are to blame a man for his freedom of expression. Remember the artist that made a picture of the virgin Mary out of excrement? There were protests but how many people got killed for it? When those wonderfully historic statues of the budda were destroyed in Afghanistan, how many people got killed for it? This man by his own decision and RIGHTS made a film to express his OPINION about ISLAM (which is an IDEOLOGY) and the founder of said religion, and how many people got killed for it?

Sure you can say, "he's abusing his rights!!!" but from where I stand, as long as the KKK/neo-nazi's and white supremacists (and others of this ilk) can walk free and SAY or EXPRESS their own OPINIONs which are quite inciteful for non-caucasian ethnic groups and not have calls for death or targets on their heads or people murdering them left and right, then this man is free to do what he pleases as long as he is not physically harming someone.

Cry about it more when that blasphemy "resolution" (which somehow managed to creep into the UNHRC) starts infringing on your rights to criticise religious ideals.
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MadvertsSep. 16, 2012 - 02:44AM JST

"Sure you can say, "he's abusing his rights!!!" but from where I stand, as long as the KKK/neo-nazi's and white supremacists (and others of this ilk) can walk free and SAY or EXPRESS their own OPINIONs which are quite inciteful"

Well, the mere fact that an idiot such as this can bring the basic human right of free speech into question should ask for everyone to disown any such individuals. Free speech necessitates responsibility, and those that instigate violence through it should be held accountable IMO, no matter how insane the response has been from Islamic fundamentalists.
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HonestDictatorSep. 16, 2012 - 03:01AM JST

Remember madverts, sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me? When someone walks up to you and says they don't like the way you think, do you 1) calmly debate 2) walk away from the situation or 3)Kill them?

Yes he could have been "considerate" about voicing his opinion, but he chose not to. The "protesters" could have been considerate about voicing their opinions but they're choosing NOT to. Nobody held a gun to their head saying they had to watch the "film" and just how many of them do you think actually WATCHED the film before going out on the riot? In the case of assault the blame always lies with the person that actually throws the punch, not the person that runs off at the mouth.
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HonestDictatorSep. 16, 2012 - 03:23AM JST

Since they're holding him for bank fraud these had better not be trumped up charges. If he's been commiting criminal acts thats a different story than if he's being spirited away for using his rights.
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MadvertsSep. 16, 2012 - 03:25AM JST

To me people that riot and murder for a perceived slight on their religion are lower lifeforms.

The West should seriously think about our aid and involvement in these hellholes.

I don't disagree with your thoughts Honest, I just don't think they're applicable to insane people in third world countries...
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HonestDictatorSep. 16, 2012 - 04:36AM JST

Best thing we can do is protect ourselves (and our basic human rights) from these people.
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medkaSep. 16, 2012 - 04:57AM JST

I would like to replay to some of the accusation to Islam using directly a translation from The Holy Quran verses Muslin should avoid people saying wrong thing about it Islam And when you see those who engage in a false conversation about Our Verses by mocking at them, stay away from them till they turn to another topic...Verse 68chapter 6 ** If they would they would like to explain about Islam they have to use kind way **Call Thou (all mankind ) unto thy Sustainer's path with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the most kindly manner- for behold, thy Sustainer knows best as to who strays from His path, and best knows He as to who are the right-guided. 125 Chapter 16 However we as a Muslim we feel very sad when we find some one tell lays about our beloved Messenger Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him who Almighty Allah describe him in the following English translation **And verily, you are on an exalted standard of character 4-Chapter 68 ** So some Muslim protest in front of the embassy as a a way to show their anger from such a bad movie telling lays about our Leader. However in all means these protestation must be peaceful as foreign guest have to be protected by Muslim. Unfortunately some Muslim with little knowledge about Islam might commit stupid acts which did not represent all Muslim. You have just to remember that the world Muslim population count between 25% to 35% percent of the world population so it is unfair to judge all this the act of a couple of ignorant people. After all, others community might have similar ignorant person just as an example, the creator of this stupid movie who tried to insult Muhammad Peace be Upon Him who is sent not only as a Messenger to Muslim but as The last Messenger to the whole human kind . In this occasion I invite you all to read about his biography I am sure that you will change your mind and understand the Muslim feeling. May Allah guide me and guide you to the right path
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Sir_EdgarSep. 16, 2012 - 06:11AM JST

I agree there is a difference between free speech and a hate crime. This being clearly the latter. He should go to jail.
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Herve Nmn L'EisaSep. 16, 2012 - 08:06AM JST

Medka, your post is very reasonable. The protesters, however, have abandoned all reason and that upon the urging of imams. The religious leadership is then violating the peaceful exhortations which you quoted. The hate speech from the many imams far outweighs the hate speech of the producer of the video.
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plasticmonkeySep. 16, 2012 - 08:30AM JST

So some Muslim protest in front of the embassy as a a way to show their anger from such a bad movie telling lays about our Leader.

How often do these Muslims protest against terrorist acts committed by Muslims? Radicals and terrorists have done far more to discredit and dishonor Islam than have any books, cartoons, or movies.

The filmmaker was wrong to produce something which he knew would cause an outburst of violence, especially in a part of the world that has been radicalized by the twin evils of dictatorship and blind zealotry.
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BuyersRemorseSep. 16, 2012 - 10:57AM JST

A knock on the door, after midnight.

A group pf armed men, in brown shirts, take away an American citizen.

His crime? He exercised his right to free speech.
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oberstSep. 16, 2012 - 03:08PM JST

so a few fellow readers think crying fire inside a packed theatre " freed om of speech " ?
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Elbuda MexicanoSep. 16, 2012 - 11:46PM JST

Freedom of F!!!! Speach vs Common sense?? America got screwed royally on 9/11 and we still have retards crying about their human rights?? When you are at war and you don't want alqaeda to slit your throat on your next flight to Dallas?? You take off your shoes etc... Right?? Making stupid movies that mock religions???? Just wrong and them folk at YouTube better get James Bond to watch their backs!! IMHO
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HonestDictatorSep. 18, 2012 - 10:49PM JST

@Medka you can feel sad, or disappointed when someone says or does something you find offensive to your religious beliefs. But whether you like it or not, people in this world do have the right to criticize and oppose an ideology they don't agree with as long as they're not killing someone. You yourself have taken the right to post your own opinion of Islam through natural means of debate for which we commend you.

Just to be more accurate about the world population of religious (and non religious) followers Christianity at 33-34%, Islam 21-24% of the world. Athiest/Agnostics coming in at 15-16% and Hinduism coming in about 15-16% as well.
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HonestDictatorSep. 19, 2012 - 09:38AM JST

@Medka, also do you know the term "whitewash"? It is when someone takes something that was bad, and tries to erase it to make it seem much better than it really was. It can also be known as a cover-up. Those who look to the history books (especially those written well before you or I was born) and even the qur'an and hadiths themselves (well before 9/11) show that the "truth" you're trying to present is trying to alter the reality of history. I know you don't want to believe in the truth and reality of Islam and Mohammed, but its there, and its always going to be there until you are able to look it straight and acknowledge where it came from in the first place.