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    Christopher Smith

    How sad is this? The problem is people are most likely becoming desensitized to such issues.

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    PeaceWarrior

    Darn, the LAPD police chief looks just like the NY police chief in Blue Bloods, Tom Selleck!

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    Alphaape

    This is really a sad event, and the three people who were killed should not have been. But I read his manifesto, and I don't believe in all of what he was saying, he does through out enough items to make the LAPD look bad. I hope that they at least look internally at what he was saying and do try to clean their house some. But still, no matter what it is no justification to go on a killing spree.

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    bass4funk

    This guy had a long military career, special forces, very smart, trained in special arms, sniper and weapons tactics both militarily and from the LAPD, a wasted life, so much good he could have done other positive and great things with his talents, but after killing the cop and that couple, he can forget it. The LAPD have all the resources to get this guy, it's just a matter of time. Sadly, we all know how this will most likely play out. His parents will lose a child and this guy murdered in cold blood children of his so called enemies that had nothing to do with his firing. He destroyed lives, betrayed the military and the LAPD. I personally hope he turns himself in, but as these things fall out doesn't seem like it.

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    Surf O'Holic

    " This guy had a long military career, special forces, very smart, trained in special arms, sniper and weapons tactics both militarily and from the LAPD…"

    Hero turned villian? Say it isn't so. Trained to kill, now gone rogue.

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    Madverts

    "Hero turned villian? Say it isn't so."

    It 'aint so. Hero turned nutcase more like.

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    JA_Cruise

    Sounds like a typical Hollywood movie! LoL

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    nandakandamanda

    In the photo he likes like a real friendly guy.

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    Surf O'Holic

    Villian, nutcase, domestic terrorist....

    Trained killer gone rogue.

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    badsey3

    http://laist.com/2013/02/07/police_shoot_motorists_mistaken_for_dorner.php (note the truck is blue and not grey)

    The first officer-involved shooting happened at about 5:20 a.m. in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue in Torrance, according to the L.A. Times. **Two women delivering newspapers **in a truck were struck by gunfire by L.A. police detectives from the Hollywood division. One woman was shot in the hand and the other in the back, Jesse Escochea, who captured video of the victims being treated, told the Times. Both victims were transported to a hospital.

    =Reality is worse than the movies -totally Keystone.

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    Vernie Jefferies

    Oh this sounds like a bad version of "Rambo" First Blood. I hope the LAPD is smart enough to get help from the military to help capture this guy. I pray this situation gets resolved very quickly before others get hurt or even killed.

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    badsey3

    http://youranonnews.tumblr.com/post/42506354980/heres-an-uncensored-copy-of-the-rogue-lapd-officers Un-edited manifesto. = LAPD has problems.

    What they failed to mention in the BOR was Teresa Evans own use of force history during her career on the LAPD. She has admitted that she has a lengthy use of force record and has been flagged several times by risk management. She has a very well known nickname, Chupacabra, which she was very proud to flaunt around the division. She found it very funny and entertaining to draw blood from suspects and arrestees. At one point she even intentionally ripped the flesh off the arm of a woman we had arrested for battery (sprayed her neighbor with a garden water hose). Knowing the woman had thin elastic skin, she performed and Indian burn to the woman’s arm after cuffing her. That woman was in her mid-70′s, a mother and grandmother, and was angry at her tenants who failed to pay rent on time.

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    Elbuda Mexicano

    This poor guy suffered a lot at the LAPD, read his manifesto about time there at the LAPD, here is the link,

    http://laist.com/2013/02/07/christopherdornersmanifestoinfu.php

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    sailwind

    For the record:

    His manifesto was scrubbed by the Media of some parts they really don't want to acknowledge at all. Lucky this guy isn't a conservative the Media would have been all that aspect as front page news.

    News Media Scrub Cop Murderer’s Manifesto of Pro-Obama, Hillary, MSNBC, CNN, Gay, and Anti-Gun Comments

    The whole thing is here in the link and he's pretty lavish on his praise for the Media, Obama, Biden and Gay rights. Supports Feinstien's assault weapons ban and goes to great lengths as to why he supports it. Curses the NRA as vile and if the guy wasn't a murdering bastard you'd think he was a just your normal average Liberal Joe.

    I can see why the Media is avoiding this aspect to him like the plague. You can bet your life savings though if this guy was a Tea Party member....Oh, My God the Media would be screaming it from the roof tops.

    http://www.soopermexican.com/2013/02/07/news-media-scrub-cop-murderers-manifesto-of-pro-obama-pro-hillary-loved-msnbc-pro-gay-and-anti-gun-comments/

    http://www.soopermexican.com/2013/02/07/news-media-scrub-cop-murderers-manifesto-of-pro-obama-pro-hillary-loved-msnbc-pro-gay-and-anti-gun-comments/

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    LFRAgain

    I just went through this guy's "manifesto," and I'll be honest here. The vast majority of it --- outside of his melodramatic promises of fiery retribution ---sounds . . . well . . . reasonable.

    For anyone interested:

    http://wap.myfoxla.com/w/main/story/84473837/p2/

    The material contained in these twenty pages is, for lack of a better word, compelling. If even half the of the assertions he's makes are true, then the LAPD is in serious need of extensive and highly invasive civilian oversight. While it's difficult to prove widespread corruption in the best of circumstances, judging by some of the more horrific things we've seen officers in the LAPD do in the past, my gut tells me a majority of the charges Dorner makes against the LAPD are legitimate.

    While it's very clear that he's obviously snapped, I wouldn't be so quick to slap the label nutcase on him. Dorner's clearly an intelligent, thoughtful man who felt he was wronged by a number of people in the LAPD, I believe the media is doing a tremendous disservice to the community by slapping a loaded word like "manifesto" on what contains some entirely valid criticisms of alleged practices within the LAPD that absolutely need to stop. By portraying Dorner as some hallucination-haunted lunatic, the media all but pooh-poohs issues he brings up that are not only very, very serious, but also have plagued the LAPD in the past -- racism, extortion, bribery, flagrant disregard for the civil rights of civilians they are sworn to protect.

    It's impossible to determine when and where Dorner decided the best way to get back at those he felt were responsible for his firing involved gunning down innocent people, but he is very obviously not "insane" in the way we mean when talking about some like Charles Manson or John Hinkley Jr.

    All of this stems from the following (in Dorner's words):

    "In 8/07 I reported an officer (Ofcr. Teresa Evans/now a Sergeant), for kicking a suspect (excessive force) during a Use of Force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD's Harbor Division. While cuffing the suspect, (Christopher Gettler), Evans kicked the suspect twice in the chest and once in the face. The kick to the face left a visible injury on the left cheek below the eye. Unfortunately after reporting it to supervisors and investigated by PSB (internal affairs investigator Det. Villanueva/Gallegos), nothing was done. I had broken their supposed "Blue Line"."

    Dorner was fired shortly after this incident, despite from testimony the victim and the victim's father who had independently discussed the issue of the Gettler having been kicked by a female police officer, thus corroborating Dorner's original claim.

    A summary of the trial held to address Dorner's claim against the LAPD in front of the Court of Appeals of California, Second District can be read here:

    http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=In CACO 20111003006.xml

    The outcome of that trial essentially boils down to this:

    In a case of "He said / She said," LAPD's Internal Affairs Division and the Court of Appeals of California, Second District, took the word of then-officer Teresa Evans, stating that her testimony, for no overly apparent reason I can find, was more credible than Dorner's. They went one step further and charged Dorner with intentionally filing a false report for the purpose of personal gain. In short, they nailed Dorner to the proverbial wall for his accusation.

    Based on the legal reasoning and case law cited by the Court, for all intents and purposes, it is virtually impossible for a police officer to make a claim of improprieties in the LAPD and not see those accusations not only rejected outright, but also to see the accusing officer's career effectively ruined. Certainly, the LAPD put on a convincing display of having "investigated" the incident, but the unfortunate truth is that the odds are stacked very heavily against any whistleblower in the LAPD and, I would warrant, most police departments across the country. Exposing the bad behavior of fellow officers is generally not met with a whole lot of fanfare or appreciation by other fellow officers, so it isn't very hard to imagine the unfair treatment Dorner claims he received was indeed what transpired.

    One can never, ever justify Dorner's decision to murder people, innocent or otherwise, but his actions shouldn't stop us from looking more deeply at the underlying causes he attributes his anger to. After all, the LAPD is widely regarded as one of --- if not the --- most corrupt police forces in the United States, and for good reason. In this light, what's to say that what pushed Dorner over the edge won't push other officers in the force?

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    Laguna

    There are so many loose ends to this. Why would he kill the daughter of an enemy (and her fiance) instead of going straight to the enemy - especially as it was his first hit and thus unexpected? Why would he (apparently) travel down to San Diego, and then back up to Big Bear?

    Hopefully, these point at incompetence of a level that will bring him down soon. Still - did he really go to San Diego? Was the car found at Big Bear driven there by him or by another? Are others involved? - there are many in LA who dislike the police with a vengeance.

    Also, what about his allegations regarding police brutality in the LAPD? Whatever they may have been, they do not justify is actions in any way, but will they be investigated?

    This is all happening in my former backyard - thus my interest. I've found that my weekly free rag, the OCWeekly, has been covering it quite well, so for those who are interested: http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2013/02/christopher_jordan_dorner_lapd.php (there is also an advertisement that kind of diverts your attention while reading, but I found I didn't mind.) The blog says that police have concluded he's no longer in the Big Bear area.

    It will be interesting to see if this is over by morning or whether it continues for months.

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    Laguna

    Curses the NRA as vile and if the guy wasn't a murdering bastard you'd think he was a just your normal average Liberal Joe.

    Entirely correct, Sail - that's what makes it so newsworthy! Nobody would have paid note if he were just your normal average Conservative Joe.

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    sailwind

    Nobody would have paid note if he were just your normal average Conservative Joe.

    Tea party and Sarah Palin was immediately fingered and blamed by the Media as being partly culpable for Congressman Gifford's shooting Laguna.

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    Laguna

    The Tea party and Sarah Palin continue to be well-known for their weapon-based rhetoric - "Don't retreat - reload!" and all of that. They are also both well-known for their opposition to gun control and their (many would say paranoidly) negative views of government. I am not blaming Republicans for any of this in any way; I am pointing out that the views of many in the Republican party and that of people who snap and kill a load of people tend to converge.

    I mean, really, imagining a Reagan devotee unloading a piece is not so difficult, but a Carter devotee?

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    sailwind

    I am pointing out that the views of many in the Republican party and that of people who snap and kill a load of people tend to converge.

    Your pointing out nothing but falsehoods and horrible innuendo that is based on nothing but what you think Conservatives are actually like and I'm not going to stand for it anymore.

    Loughner in Tuscon had no political connections at all, the shooter in Aurora had zero political leanings, Lanza in Newton had zero political leanings.

    This guy posted a manifesto that's a peon to Liberal policies and outlooks. Including his 2016 endorsement this is directly from his manifesto:

    Hillary Clinton. You’ll make one hell of a president in 2016. Much like your husband, Bill, you will be one of the greatest. Look at Castro in San Antonio as a running mate or possible secretary of state. He’s (good people) and I have faith and confidence in him. Look after Bill. He was always my favorite President.

    http://www.soopermexican.com/2013/02/07/news-media-scrub-cop-murderers-manifesto-of-pro-obama-pro-hillary-loved-msnbc-pro-gay-and-anti-gun-comments/

    Tell me this guy isn't tied to and loves Democrats and the Media is totally ignoring it. I'll say it again if this murderer was a Republican or somehow connected to the Tea party it would be screamed so loud by the Media it would make your head hurt.

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    Laguna

    Loughner in Tuscon had no political connections at all, the shooter in Aurora had zero political leanings, Lanza in Newton had zero political leanings.

    All three examples you cited were certifiably insane - and conservative policies made it laughably easy for these types to get guns.

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    David Quintero Navarro

    @LFRAgain, yes, these claims against the LAPD do sound very, very reasonable to me too, so I do hope Mr.Dorner can give himself up ALIVE so that justice for him and for all of the victims of the LAPD can come out something be do about the mess at the LAPD.

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    LFRAgain

    "Tell me this guy isn't tied to and loves Democrats and the Media is totally ignoring it. "

    Okay, I'll tell you: This guy isn't "tied" Democrats. I'm an ardent supporter of the Democratic Party, but that doesn't mean I'm "tied" to it, anymore than you are "tied" to the GOP because of your conservative views. Methinks thou doth protest too much, Sailwind.

    His Democratic leanings aren't the story here. A relatively normal, reasonable guy snapping and declaring his intent to murder a wholly corrupt LAPD is the story.

    Why you choose to see media conspiracies in everything you see, hear, and read is something you might want to devote a little bit of time towards in self-reflection.

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    LFRAgain

    That should read, "an allegedly wholly corrupt LAPD..."

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    badsey3

    Most Californians are LIbs:

    That is why every Police Officer in California is totally mad-hatter right now. They do not want this guy's story to get out and want the LAPD corruption to continue. A great story for the people (only targeting the LAPD) and right now the media is still on the LAPD's side even after shooting up the morning PaperLadies Toyota Tundra.

    =the LAPD are just "shooting" anything that moves now. I am sort of surprised everyone is not just walking around with their hands up in L.A. saying "don't shoot me"

    Fabulously Mad (movie-like). Funny for people outside of California to see and deadly serious for the LAPD.

    ***The media and LAPD still do not want to address the real problem(s). -And if they did the shooter said he would stop. -->Well obviously that is not happening (it's getting worse) = so the shooter continues targeting the LAPD and any minion foolish enough to be around the LAPD.

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    David Quintero Navarro

    @LFRA, very good link!! http://youranonnews.tumblr.com/post/42506354980/heres-an-uncensored-copy-of-the-rogue-lapd-officers Thanks! Some of the names of fellow racist officers were Latinos, so that really pisses me off, makes me ashamed, those Latino cops should know better than to be racist, this whole culture of racism etc..in the LAPD has to change!!

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    TheQuestion

    What a delightful looking psychopath. At this point all I can do is add my agreement to the point brought up by other posters that no amount of police corruption justifies murder. If he had information related to the improper use of authority or improper behavior on the part of LAPD (of which I'm sure there are numerous examples of) he should have brought it to the proper level of state or federal justice.

    Unlike other killers this one is likely to be more difficult to locate and able to delude himself into thinking that his course of action is not only acceptable, but morally justifiable as he refers to 'necessary evil' and 'greater good' multiple times in his manifesto. Other killers often kill or seclude themselves after their killing but this one seems motivated to continue his mad agenda.

    Sailwind,

    The hypocrisy is noted. People like this should never be used to paint a larger faction of people. Posters on this site were wrong to point fingers at conservatives after the Giffords and Sandy Hook shootings. In a snipet from Reason,

    If there is a message buried deep within Dorner's incoherent litany of recriminations, anger, and random name-checks, it's this: People who go on shooting sprees typically tell us very little about society at large. They are by definition far, far beyond the range of normal (or even abnormal) behavior and, as such, shouldn't be used to generalize about larger social forces at work. For all the psychologizing about the causes of Adam Lanza's deadly rage and what it supposedly says about video games, popular culture, divorce, absent fathers, Asperger's, and a million other things raised by commentators, it's highly unlikely that anyone will be motivated to connect the dots between Dorner's pathology and the world around him.

    On another note,

    I am not blaming Republicans for any of this in any way; I am pointing out that the views of many in the Republican party and that of people who snap and kill a load of people tend to converge.

    So it would be totally appropriate to point out that Dorner held a number of views in line with the those of the Democratic party and there is currently a man by the name of Floyd Corkins that attempted to kill 'as many as possible' at the Family Research Council because he 'didn't like their politics' but was stopped by security guards in August after killing one and wounding another. I don't see these people as representative or symptomatic of Democrats or their ideology yet you seem to imply that it's acceptable if the murderer can, in even the most convoluted of senses, be considered to have conservative views.

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    The Kid

    **He kinda looks like Bob Sapp. Keep safe LA. Hope they catch him soon.

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    T-Mack

    The man hunt continue's...His burned out truck in Big Bear, He's been spotted in San Diego, He has vowed to harm police and their families...maybe at the dead officers fuuneral...He is on a mission to clear his name, and kill ...with nothing to loose...The men in blue are target's....He is a trained sniper and expert shot....however he has lost his ever loving mind...Good guy with a gun, is now a bad guy with a gun....before this is all over he will be shot dead....

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    yabits

    While it's very clear that he's obviously snapped, I wouldn't be so quick to slap the label nutcase on him. Dorner's clearly an intelligent, thoughtful man who felt he was wronged by a number of people in the LAPD

    LFRAgain, your posts have been extremely insightful and valuable.

    The real insanity may lie in an organization that professes to uphold the laws but yet tolerates corruption within its ranks. And nothing salts corruption like the internal politics of covering up for it. In such environments, good people, especially those driven by high ideals, can literally be driven crazy.

    I have not read his manifesto but from the looks of things, Dorner feels that he is being true to the oath he took and is on a campaign to weed out those he views as criminals. I believe that, ultimately, he will have served his personal cause: The LAPD now has some very intense and much-needed scrutiny being cast on it.

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    yabits

    Loughner in Tuscon had no political connections at all, the shooter in Aurora had zero political leanings, Lanza in Newton had zero political leanings.

    The killers in Aurora and Newtown did not pick political targets. Loughner obviously did. The killer of the bus driver in Alabama (and who kidnapped a young boy and held him in a bunker for a week) had strong anti-government, pro-conservative views. As did the guy in Norway who also picked liberals as political targets.

    But it's nice of you to try to connect this particular individual -- driven over the edge by those who destroyed his career when he tried to report wrongdoing -- to his personal politics. Now, if you can only find a way to weave the Chevy Volt into it.

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    badsey3

    It is really two sides of the same coin.

    You have the supreme Lib Obama saying he can use drones to kill anyone he wants (even Americans and their families) to get to the "terrorists."

    And you have ex-LAPD trainee and Naval Reserve veteran Dorner going after what he believes are terrorists in the LAPD.

    It is funny seeing how the LAPD is trying to protect themselves especially when they have a history of going after the whistleblowers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk

    (first one to do it and stay alive)

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    RomeoRII

    The Tea party and Sarah Palin continue to be well-known for their weapon-based rhetoric - "Don't retreat - reload!"

    What about Obama's "If they bring a knife to a fight, you bring a gun" comment at a campaign rally?

    Also, it is interesting to note that none of the disturbed and evil men -- among them those who stole guns, then killed movie-goers and children in school -- has ever been identified as a conservative:

    Columbine: Too young to vote; both families were registered democrats;

    Virginia Tech: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~ registered democrat;

    Colorado Theater: registered democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant;

    Connecticut school shooter: registered democrat;

    Now there is the former LAPD cop who has professed admiration for all things that registered democrats approve of.

    Common thread is that all of these shooters were all registered democrats. Perhaps people who are registered democrats should not be allowed to have guns.

    RR

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    LFRAgain

    Hey guys,

    It's not a political thing. This all goes far beyond that petty bickering.

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    sailwind

    Why you choose to see media conspiracies in everything you see, hear, and read is something you might want to devote a little bit of time towards in self-reflection.

    I do not see media conspiracies at all. I observe reporting and make my judgments. I saw how the Media reported Congressman Gifford's shooting and highlighted the Tea Party and specifically Sarah Palin as actually having something to do with it based on zero, zilch evidence. Loughner the shooter didn't even know what planet he's own but somehow he channeled Sarah Palin's murderous hypnotic impulses into his mental delusions.

    I see a manifesto written by this current murderer who praises the Main Stream Media and holds views such as banning assault weapons as a huge part of what he wrote. I see this same manifesto is scrubbed of all of these references by the Media in a huge double standard in its reporting.

    From his manifesto:

    Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Pat Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien, Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera, Tavis Smiley, and Anderson Cooper, keep up the great work and follow Cronkite’s lead. I hold many of you in the same regard as Tom Brokaw and the late Peter Jennings.

    I have many discussions over the past few years and I know that you are intelligent and bright. I do not think that you can post with a straight face that if his manifesto had praised Fox News or Rush Limbaugh that it wouldn't have been the main topic of the reporting.

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    Alphaape

    I imagine when he is caught, they will shoot to kill. LAPD does not need the bad press. Remember Rampart and other problems they had. This time one of their own struck back and it will not be pretty when they take him to trial.

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    Alphaape

    Listening to LA radio today, one station had a lawyer on for two women who were shot by LAPD. They were driving a similar type vehicle early in the morning delivering newspapers near a house that had a security detail protecting one of the persons listed in his manisfesto. They saw a slow moving look alike vehicle and opened fire without warning, injuring a 71 yr old woman and her 47 yr old daughter.

    I can understand that they (LAPD) are on edge but shooting a vehicle over 30 times without warning is a bit excessive. No matter what he may have rambled on in his manisfesto, those actions by LAPD can now could be seen as giving it some credibility. Going around and killing family members of people who have done you wrong is not right, and only a deranged person would do that, but just by looking at the actions of some cops out to deliver "street justice" can put up some reasonable doubt in his claims. As I have stated, I don't think LAPD wants to bring him in alive, since if he is dead they can fashion the story to refute his manisfesto. But bringing him in alive, and with this incident, a god lawyer would be able to get him a lesser sentence, but in the meantime throw up a suit against LAPD, if not in his case but against other officers named and the people they have arrested can probably sue.

    This is only going to be a big headache for LAPD.

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    T-Mack

    The Ex-cop will never get to tell his story in court, he will most certainly be shot....as well as anybody who might even look like him....LAPD is all over just sitting on freeway on and off ramp's and highway interchanges ...they had helicopters all over too...Never seen anything like this before...LAPD in full force.

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    Alphaape

    The Ex-cop will never get to tell his story in court, he will most certainly be shot..

    I just read that the LAPD is now re-opening the case that led to his firing. I wonder is this just being put out to make him think that he will actually get another look, or are they really going to dig into it. No matter what, he will not get his job back, but get the Death penalty or life since he has killed 3 so far.

    Read a few other posts and comments on other venues, and this is an interesting case. I think for the most part, people are not for his having killed 3 people, but many people in many minoirty forums do have a long standing distrust against LAPD and police in general and can somewhat relate to his manifesto about the corruption. I hope that they get this guy alive, and maybe with him being alive it will focus on some of the things he alledges, but if he is killed, only a customar investigation and this will be swept under the rug. I don't believe everything he says in his manifesto, but I would like to see how LAPD answers. But, killing 3 people over what he feels about a bad system is not the right answer.

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    T-Mack

    They got this guy surrounded right now in big bear, in a cabin, he had two women bound, one escaped and called police, he shot two more officers, airlifted out now, massive launch of law enforcement, very serious, very fluid situation...big bear shut down...no way in or out...

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    T-Mack

    The whole big bear mountain is a possible crime scene...Game wardens exchange gun fire with murder suspect...Game warden's okay...after gun fight the area has been contained by massive amount of law enforcement...

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