Car bombs kill 19 in Baghdad

Thursday 05th June, 07:35 AM JST

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japanyesterday at 07:49 AM JST - 5th June

good news today, bad new tomorrow. no idea where this war is going.
some14some at 07:59 AM JST - 5th June

War is going nowhere, circling within Iraq only :(
WilliB at 08:24 AM JST - 5th June

" good news today, bad new tomorrow. no idea where this war is going. "

The Jihad goes on forever, until all the earth is united under Shariah.
SushiSake3 at 11:34 AM JST - 5th June

It's costing America $12-15 billion a month.

Couldn't they spend that money on..you know..Americans?

You'd almost think an American Government would do that.

But not this one.
SolidBilly at 12:31 PM JST - 5th June

I am overwhelmed by the irony of this statement,

“Criminals and extremists continue to show no regard for the sanctity of human life or capacity for a peaceful resolution to their problems.”
Madverts at 08:31 PM JST - 5th June

This can't be right - I heard mutterings about "Violence had dropped dramatically. We are being vindicated" only yesetrday on the boards.
Madverts at 12:08 AM JST - 6th June

Maybe I imagined those ridiculous claims afterall.

Afterall, who could be deluded enough to think he was being "vindicated" in this mess?
medievaltimes at 01:35 AM JST - 6th June

This headline doesnt matter. It doesnt mean anything in the big picture of things (although if the US was targeting civilians on purpose you guys/gals would be in an uproar)

No dis...but you posters have it all wrong.

If you hate Bush, its ok. If you are upset about the way the war was started, its ok. If you dont like America, its ok. If you are upset about no WMD, its ok. If you....If you....If you..........etc

Micro managing of the war is lame. It doesnt matter what happens day to day or week to week.

The real issues are 1 - the election 2 - when/how to pull the troops out AND MOST IMPORTANTLY 3 - what happens after the troops are pulled out.

Most people want to talk about the first two but not the third.
adaydream at 04:21 AM JST - 6th June

BRING THE TROOPS HOME!!!!!

They got their Iraqi Army and Police that has been financed by the US because they won't sell and oil. Because they refuse to decide the split of Iraqi oil. < :-)
medievaltimes at 09:51 AM JST - 6th June

For anybody that wants to post "bring the troops home" etc. Please go into a little more detail of HOW to bring them home. And then explain what happens to Iraq after they are home.

Interesting article

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/04/beck.iraq/index.html

Read and discuss
SolidBilly at 02:59 PM JST - 6th June

For anybody that wants to post "bring the troops home" etc. Please go into a little more detail of HOW to bring them home. And then explain what happens to Iraq after they are home. Interesting article http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/04/beck.iraq/index.html Read and discuss

How about reading this - http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20080226.htm

Or, if you want to skip to the parts most relevant to this discussion -

"And there is good news. The US occupying army in Iraq -- euphemistically it's called the Multi-National ForceÐIraq, because they have, I think, three polls there somewhere -- that the occupying army carries out extensive studies of popular attitudes. It's an important part of counterinsurgency or any form of domination. You want to know what your subjects are thinking. And it released a report last December. It was a study of focus groups, and it was uncharacteristically upbeat. The report concluded -- I'll quote it -- that the survey of focus groups "provides very strong evidence" that national reconciliation is possible and anticipated, contrary to what's being claimed. The survey found that a sense of "optimistic possibility permeated all focus groupsÉand far more commonalities than differences are found among these seemingly diverse groups of Iraqis" from all over the country and all walks of life. This discovery of "shared beliefs" among Iraqis throughout the country is "good news, according to a military analysis of the results," Karen de Young reported in the Washington Post a couple of weeks ago.

Well, the "shared beliefs" are identified in the report. I'll quote de Young: "Iraqis of all sectarian and ethnic groups believe that the US military invasion is the primary root of the violent differences among them, and see the departure of [what they call] 'occupying forces' as the key to national reconciliation." So those are the "shared beliefs." According to the Iraqis then, there's hope of national reconciliation if the invaders, who are responsible for the internal violence and the other atrocities, if they withdraw and leave Iraq to Iraqis. That's pretty much the same as what's been found in earlier polls, so it's not all that surprising. Well, that's the good news: "shared beliefs.""

AND

"A few days ago, the New York Times -- the military and Iraq expert of the New York Times, Michael Gordon, wrote a comprehensive review, first-page comprehensive review, of the options for Iraq that are being faced by the candidates. And he went through them in detail, described the pluses and minuses and so on, interviewing political leaders, the candidates, experts, etc. There was one voice missing: Iraqis. Their preference is not rejected; rather, it's not mentioned. And it seems that there was no notice of that fact, which makes sense, because it's typical. It makes sense on the tacit assumption that underlies almost all discourse on international affairs. The tacit assumption, without which none of it makes any sense, is that we own the world. So, what does it matter what others think? They're "unpeople," nice term invented by British diplomatic historian [Mark] Curtis, based on a series of outstanding volumes on Britain's crimes of empire -- outstanding work, therefore deeply hidden. So there are the "unpeople" out there, and then there are the owners -- that's us -- and we don't have to listen to the "unpeople.""