Carter: Hamas willing to accept right of Israel to 'live as neighbor'
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sabiwabi
“There’s no doubt that both the Arab world and Hamas will accept Israel’s right to exist in peace within 1967 borders,”
Unfortunately, we all know that Israel will never accept this, despite the UN resolutions.
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GeorgeRouault
President Carter is a man respected by Hamas and the Palestinian people; Carter declared that the Palestinian people are subjected to an unjust siege and that Hamas is a national liberation movement, not a terrorist movement as claimed by the current American administration. Hamas has already accepted a state within 1967 borders.
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skipthesong
If Hamas is willing to talk peace, in the real sense and abide by a true peace treaty whereas they will not attack Israel nor assist other countries from doing so, which lead to Israel to annex them, which they won btw, to act a a buffer between their little country against the big giants of sworn enemies, then I can't see any reason why this deal can't happen, but ahem, its already been tried and tried before..
Carter is a has been and a red neck.
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GeorgeRouault
There is nothing to argue here. Every country in the world agrees even including USA that Palestine should make a state using 1967 borders. Hamas has agreed to this aswell.
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skipthesong
Every country in the world agrees" So, and once upon a time the entire world thought that the world was flat... Don't forget, 80% of those places basically hate the jews anyway.
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GeorgeRouault
Only USA agrees that Palestine should make a state using 1967 borders and at the same time support the illeagal settlements. USA is the most hypocritical country on this planet when it comes to Israel. A supporter of aprtheid and oppression on one hand and a supporter of justice and international law on the other hand. It is about time USA made up their minds because they are an obstacle to peace.
Hamas has nothing against Jews. I have already pasted qotes from various Hamas leaders. This is not about anti-Semitism. It is about oppression and apartheid.
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skipthesong
besides, Hamas needs to get permission to do this from the rest of the Muslim world...
With the exception of Jordon or Egypt, two countries that have moved into the 21st century, none of them are going to accept this.
If they really wanted the 1967 borders in the first place, why the hell did they even start a war with them? Basically they were won.
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GeorgeRouault
You have not countered anything as far as I am concerned. You really do not have much of an argument skipthesong. It cannot get any clearer. Hamas says. We do not have anything against Jews. Hamas has said they are willing to make a state using 1967 borders according to international law and agreements. Carter, Nelson Mandela compares Israel to apartheid. There is no ifs and buts here. Israel pulls back to 1967 borders. End of story.
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redacted
Hamas murders Arabs, Palestinians and Fatah members as well. They executed Fatah "security forces" and their children.
Why should Israel trust them?
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GeorgeRouault
Jordan, Egypt, Hamas, Syria, China, Argentina and every country in the UN have agreed that Palestine should make a state using 1967 borders. Just what is it that you don't understand? Numbers?
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redacted
"Hamas says. We do not have anything against Jews." ?
When they took power in Gaza Hamas executed Fatah officials who had opposed them by throwing them off of building tops.
The masked Hamas thugs were heard denouncing their opponents as "Jews."
Liveleak has an entire page of the fun and games.
http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=Fatah&page=5
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sailwind
Then why do try so hard to kill them?
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GeorgeRouault
Because Israel is oppressing the Palestinians practicing apartheid according to Nelson Mandela and Carter. Sailwind.
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SuperLib
I think if Israel can be guaranteed peace then they should accept the 1967 borders. The problem is what kind of guarantees they could get.
The Palestinians got Gaza back and the militants simply used the land to attack Israel. You'd have to somehow get Israel to believe that Hamas would choose to do things differently despite evidence to the contrary on a near daily basis.
The second problem is that Hamas doesn't speak for all Palestinians. They could sign a peace deal tomorrow and one of the militant groups could launch an attack and erase it overnight.
Hamas needs to demonstrate that they will change. Without that Israel will just be giving them new land to kill Jews and other Palestinians.
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SuperLib
That's actually a 3rd concern. If Israel gave the West Bank back to the Palestinians there would have to be some kind of mechanism in place to make sure the Palestinians don't create a bloodbath fighting over the new land. Hamas and the militants kill their own as much if not more than they kill Jews.
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skipthesong
GeorgeRouault keep that mantra up.. as for the UN, it has been in ruins regardless. A lot of people have said this and lot of people have said that.. Why do you support such killing for the sake of a sandbox?
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skipthesong
and once Hamas gets its wish - what happens then. Of all the places controlled by people like this people are in complete dire straights..
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GeorgeRouault
The Palestinian never got Gaza back. Israel controlled the borders. Still do. Now Israel has Gaza under a criminal siege.
Not every Palestinian supports Hamas but they are currently the most popular political party so they should be representing the Palestinian people.
A "peace process" with Palestinians can first start once Israel withdraws to the borders of 1967; dismantles all settlements; removes all soldiers from Gaza and the West Bank; East-Jerusalem; releases all prisoners; and ends its blockade of borders including coastline, airspace permanently.¨
This would provide the starting point for just negotiations. Given the fact what the Palestinians have lost, it is the only just basis of peace and security in Israel-Palestine.
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Zaphod
If Hamas was really prepared to do that, it would not be Hamas. Here is a hint Dhimmi Carter and his believers: Read the fine print. What conditions does Hamas set for this? Let me guess: A "right of return" for 6 million Arabs claiming to be "refugees" -- i.e. the demographic end of Israel?
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SuperLib
They also probably describe Hamas as terrorists. Your take on that?
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rajakumar
Go for it, palestine/israel. If peace can be possible, why not try it.
Accept now and the future, because today makes the future. Many lives can be saved by all sides not only in palestine/israel but also in other parts of world.
Take the small steps to make a giant leap for future progress to reduce this 50 years over, problem. Loss of life in palestine/israel is obselete for future palestine/israel.
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GeorgeRouault
Injustice breeds contempt and violence. Thats all there is to it. Justice represents the rights of all people whatever their race, color and religion.
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adaydream
It would be just horrible if Carter actually did get some kind of workable agreement where Hamas would open up to more tolerance and acceptance to their neighbors. Isn't that really all we want?
But I see these post. What did you republicans say when george bush tried to get some reconciliation/peace between the peoples involved? It might work.
I've got more confidence in Carter bringing peace between the peoples, than bush.
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SuperLib
George you have to understand that there will never be peace if your position requires Israel to make 100% of the concessions. That's not how negotiation and diplomacy work. It's how radicalism and polarization work. Men like Carter go in to these negotiations in an effort to change the position of men like you, and I think we can all agree that he would never, ever support your position of complete Israeli obedience to all Arab demands, just as he would never accept complete Arab obedience to all Israeli demands.
Carter has used harsh words to characterize Israel's actions, especially regarding the settlements and heavy-handed military responses. And he also openly criticizes Hamas and Palestinian militants for using terrorism. You'll notice that he didn't emerge from meeting Hamas by giving a statement that Hamas are blameless "freedom fighters" and Israel needs to meet all of their demands. He said that there's a chance Hamas could soften their stance in some areas if they could get guarantees in other areas. That's how a peace process works.
Carter is attempting to break through the uncompromising barriers that people like you put up. He's working to overcome the obstacles that people like you put in the way of peace. And I'm guessing he'd probably vomit if he knew you were using his name and words to advocate a position that is the complete opposite of everything he stands for.
You don't want peace, you want victory. That's your position. If we could just get people like you out of the picture I think the world would have a real chance of solving this problem.
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GeorgeRouault
Carter is saying Israel practices apartheid and that Hamas is not a terrorist organization. Carter together with every country in the world is saying Israel should pull back to the 1967 borders including Hamas. This conflict is not a diificult conflict to solve. Some people like to pretend it is a difficult conflict to solve.
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Helter_Skelter
Only fools would believe that Israel retreating to its 1967 borders will be bring peace and harmony with radical Islamists who are commanded by the Koran to make war against the Infidel. It's amazing what people are indoctrinated to believe in these Saudi-funded Ph.D. programs in Middle Eastern Studies.
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Shark_09
George, it's a very difficult conflict to solve and it goes back more than 2 millenia. You think that by Israel pulling back to the 1967 borders will suddenly end 2 millenia of conflict between jews and arabs? It's far more complicated than you think it is. You're right that Israel needs to pull back, but there's been violence on both sides, and changes need to be made on both sides. They're both at fault, and forceably mandating changes has never solved problems like this in history (the Weimar Republic is a prime example). Stable geopolitical situations have always been created through discussion and negotiation.
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Zaphod
GeorgeRouault:
And Carter is an idiot. Remember, this is the same guy who believed that Khomeini was a religious man of peace.
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SuperLib
That's what I want. But I didn't think it's what you wanted. You've said that if you were in the same situation you'd become a terrorist yourself. You didn't say that you'd work with a man like Carter and use diplomacy to achieve peace.
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mosc1
The middle east "piece efforts", its really quite alarming to consider. First there's the "quartet". When did the UN become an independent nation? The EU, or the united states of europe, looks to make the ME into their bannana republics like America so long enjoyed over South and Central America. Then you have the Americans ... who's diplomacy so resembles the 19th century British policy of "maintaining a balance of power in the region". America supplies military hardware and weapons and aid to both Arab and Jewish states. It reminds me of the period of warring states in ancient Chinese history. Divide and conquor. But the British sincerely sought the good for the Chinese when they forced opium and made millions of people into addicts. The American opium, billions of dollars in military equipment. Tanks and planes have value when they have bullets. Kissenger during the 1973 war once promised to the Egyptians that the Israeli's would agree to a cease fire because they only had 9 days of ammunition. When great powers take an interest in a region there's allot of State strategic interests involved.
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