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SushiSake3
Good to see Carter is not hiding behind fear and loser excuses like those of the current occupant of the White House and that he is getting out there and getting his hands dirty - actually engaging in real diplomacy.
Which, come to think about it, is what the current occupant of the White House likes to talk about but rarely does.
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redacted
sushisake writes:
"Good to see Carter is not hiding behind fear and loser excuses like those of the current occupant of the White House and that he is getting out there and getting his hands dirty - actually engaging in real diplomacy."
There's fear and there's ignorance.
Carter is no longer president.
He has no power.
His visits do more harm than good.
Hamas, whose charter is sworn to genocidal destruction of Israel, openly admit though that they benefit from being able to play the 80-year old goof like a violin.
"Hamas says Carter visit a boost to militants' legitimacy By KATARINA KRATOVAC – 2 days ago CAIRO, Egypt (AP) — Hamas officials said Wednesday that Jimmy Carter's meetings with leaders of the Palestinian militant group will boost its legitimacy despite criticism by Israel and the U.S. government of the former president's personal peace mission."
Keep in mind Hamas not only kills Israelis but upon gaining power killed Palestinian "security personnel" and their children in broad day executions.
Fatah member interviewed after the Iranian-backed Hamas gainded control of Gaza:
"...The Hamas activists executed him with smiles, with pleasure. They laughed and joked among themselves and then shot him to death. Afterwards they tied up his nephew and held him for several hours, a boy of 16. At one point he asked for water. They returned a few minutes later with a suspicious-looking liquid and the boy understood that he shouldn't drink it. Then they poured it on his hands. Do you know what it was? Acid. Do you understand the depths of the hatred?" Abu Zeida asked. "http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/812598.html
'No interest in talks'
"The BBC's Katya Adler in Ramallah says that in Gaza street corners, rooftops, even hospitals have become battlegrounds with most Gazans too scared to leave their homes.
"In one incident, a senior member of the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, linked to Fatah, was shot 41 times while in a hospital bed in the town of Beit Hanoun."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6744713.stm
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skipthesong
Carter is a redneck; why should any of us be surprised at his actions.
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bebert
Carter is a Christian - a real one - so of course we are not surprised by his actions.
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SushiSake3
Redacted - "His visits do more harm than good."
Are you kidding? Carter's discussions are far better than not engaging.
Precisely what good, if I may ask, is coming from Bush's strategy of hiding in the White House and hurling insults at Hamas?
Nothing.
Carter is showing what guts are.
Bush and co. are scared and they know it.
Which is exactly what the terrorists and bad guys want.
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SushiSake3
Why am I not surprised? - Bush's supporters are as gutles as he is.
Obama is keen to engage the 'enemy' too.
Meanwhile, the Bush supporter and their Dear Leader are happy just to hide.
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RomeoRamenII
"Hamas must be engaged in order to achieve Israeli-Palestinian peace."
Hamas cannot comply with any type of peace plan, they can't even follow a cease-fire with Isreal. they have no control of all their followers or spin-off organizations. Look at the rockets that a splinter group is firing into Isreal. How can you negotiate with an ememy who states that they want to wipe Isreal off the map. What can they negotiate with, what will Isreal have to concede? Hamas wants Isreal to get out of their own country. Hamas believes the land of Isreal belongs to them.
Carter = Quisling
Heh, kissing up to a known terrorist organization. He's America's Worst President Ever.
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SushiSake3
"Heh, kissing up to a known terrorist organization. He's America's Worst President Ever."
Heh, the gutless wonders are really coming out on this thread.
Romeo, what do you believe is the better option?
Follow the strategy of His Losership Bush and ..do nothing?
Again?
Why?
What will tht achieve?
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SushiSake3
Carter and Obama are at the very least willing to talk face to face.
Bush and you seem....just too scared.
You must like hiding behind high walls.
Doing nothing - as you clearly think is a good idea - is not a strategy.
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RomeoRamenII
Secretary of State Rice should revoke Carter’s passport while he's overseas sucking up to Hamas. He can then become the true "citizen of the world" that he craves.
At the very least federal funding should end for the Carter Foundation. Let his terrorist buddies finance him instead of the U.S. taxpayer.
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proxy
When things look desperate send in a winner. Things look desperate in Gaza now and Carter brought real long term peace between Egypt and Israel. Current policies ARE NOT WORKING. WHEN SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK, TRY SOMETHING ELSE. The Camp David Accords worked.
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RomeoRamenII
"Carter and Obama are at the very least willing to talk face to face."
What part of "convert or die" do the global liberal Islamoterrorist cheerleaders not understand? We Jews know very well there is no compromising with Hamas.
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bebert
Just as we gentiles know there is no compromising with Likud.
Israel is sitting on a demographic time bomb and the sun is setting on the American empire and the cover she provides for Israel. Wiser minds in Israel know that a two state solution has to happen if Israel is to survive; unfortunately, it is the Jewish zealots who dream establishing "Greater Israel" through the further theft of Palestinian land who control the government and its policy. In comparison, Hamas seems much more reasonable. At least they are willing to negotiate.
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zurcronium
carter got egypt to agree with israel and that peace has held firm. only the deadenders dont believe in dialog.
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redacted
"carter got egypt to agree with israel and that peace has held firm. only the deadenders dont believe in dialog."
Sadat's assassins and their surviving followers - are they "dead-enders" ?
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redacted
sushisake writes:
"Precisely what good, if I may ask, is coming from Bush's strategy of hiding in the White House and hurling insults at Hamas? Nothing. Carter is showing what guts are. Bush and co. are scared and they know it."
And may I ask - what is your country doing?
Has your PM "engaged" with Hamas?
Wikipedia:
"Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Canada,[7] Israel,[8] Japan,[9] and the United States,[10] and is banned in Jordan.[11] Australia[12] and the United Kingdom[13] list only the militant wing of Hamas, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, as a terrorist organization. The European Union lists Hamas as a group 'involved in terrorist attacks' and has implemented restrictive measures against Hamas.[14]"
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RomeoRamenII
"Carter and Obama are at the very least willing to talk face to face."
Guess some of the global liberal nutjobs were too busy memorizing passages from Al Queda Quarterly and miss this news item.
PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday criticized former President Carter for meeting with leaders of the Islamic terrorist group Hamas as he tried to reassure Jewish voters that his candidacy isn't a threat to them or U.S. support for Israel.
"We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction," Obama said. "We should only sit down with Hamas if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, and abide by past agreements."
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skipthesong
RR: "We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction," Obama said. "We should only sit down with Hamas if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, and abide by past agreements.""
Slaaaam Dunk!
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redacted
Sushisake:"Carter and Obama are at the very least willing to talk face to face."
Obama: "We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction," Obama said. "We should only sit down with Hamas if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, and abide by past agreements."
I guess even foreign libs hear and see what they want when beholding The Empty Suit.
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SushiSake3
redacted - "And may I ask - what is your country doing?"
My county is not involved in this. Changing the subject dones't help your credibility.
"Has your PM "engaged" with Hamas?""
Yawnnnnnn!!! (Ditto, see above.)
At least the "Empty Suit" has more guts than the Loser in Chief you support.
In fact, you might like to enlighten us all as to what - if any - strategy your Losership in the Oval Office has, besides doing ....nothing?
Here, let me help you - George Bush's strategy in this case is... -
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GeorgeRouault
No peace without Hamas. A "peace process" with Palestinians and Hamas cannot take even its first tiny step until Israel first withdraws to the borders of 1967; dismantles all settlements; removes all soldiers from Gaza and the West Bank; repudiates its illegal annexation of Jerusalem; releases all prisoners; and ends its blockade of the international borders, coastline and airspace. This would provide the starting point for just negotiations and would lay the groundwork for the return of millions of refugees. Any short comings from Israel makes Israel a racist apartheid state.
Hamas will remain faithful to the path of martyrs as their blood will remain the fuel that enhances the determination to resist the occupation, and boosts the quest for freedom and independence.
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redacted
"At least the "Empty Suit" has more guts than the Loser in Chief you support."
Do you read, sushisake?
Is English your first language?
Obama has flip-flopped before even winning the nomination of his party. He used to be a typical lib-socialist on the issue, but he is now trying to position himself as strong on terror and therefore unwilling to deal with Hamas until they renounce the goals of their genocidal charter.
Why is it incumbent upon America to solve this ancient feud?
Do you honestly believe that if Israel were denied US weapons they couldn't procure them from other countries?
Do you think this would make the situation equal?
Unlike their Arab neighbors Israel has impressive manufacturing capability.
Again, you seem to have very strong opinions on this.
But you live in Japan - which has declared Hamas a terrorist organization.
Does your bad faith not bother you?
What is your country doing? Have they, for example, divested from what they consider Israeli companies running businesses inimical to the "peace process"?
How do you expect to convince anyone here when you are so evasive?
Are you "Palestinian"?
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RomeoRamenII
Let's see what arab countries border Israel that global liberals want America, the world's lone Superpower, to build a foriegn policy with.
To the north there is Lebanon. They harbor terrorists and didn't they also kidnap two Israeli soldiers last year that caused Israel to go after them in force? Yet the global liberals fell all over themselves claiming that Israel was the bad guy in all of that.
To the east there is Palestine and the Gaza strip. These people are real pieces of work. They fire mortars and blow things up every so often and then whines like a global liberal when us Jews fights back.
To the south lies Jordan and Syria. Haven't we had enough problems with these countries and their ties to terrorists operating in Iraq? They, too, attack Israel and piss and moan when Israel retaliates.
These countries really need America's help don't they?
A question to the Islamoterrorist bootlickers: Is Israel just supposed to sit back and allow all this to happen to them and not do a damned thing about it? America has always stood by Israel while europeons nations that have surrended to Islam stand by and do nothing because, "My county is not involved in this."
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greenteaonsens
Jimmy Carter was the worst U.S. President ever.
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SushiSake3
Redacted, Superlib - you guys crack me up in your flailing arguments.
You are both awesome at changing the subject (Redacted asking about other countries' contributions), and Superlib automatically assuming that anyone who doesn't agree ith his point of view must be "European" (and then Redacted claiming I must be "Palestinian" - LOL!)
What you have both failed to do is explain what the current occupant of the Oval Office has done to solve this issue besides spout off?
All I see from your posts is a dedicated desire to do....nothing.
eh, are you proud of yourselves?
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RomeoRamenII
"At least the "Empty Suit" has more guts than the Loser in Chief you support."
But, but, but ... Didn't barack say last year he would negotiate with nations avowed to wipe Israel off the map with no preconditions? Now, the Pope of Hope is pandering to U.S. Jewish voters by saying a barack administraton will sit down with Hamas "if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, and abide by past agreements."
barack will say anything for a vote. Heh, too bad he won't be getting the dem's nomination. The Super Delegates will see to that.
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RomeoRamenII
"I guess even foreign libs hear and see what they want when beholding The Empty Suit."
Tru, dat. And we'll have to hear them crying into their pillows after their hero (heh, whom they can't vote for anyway) loses the dem nomination to hillary in Denver in late August.
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SushiSake3
Redacted, RomeoRamen, sorry, I can't help noticing that while Jimmy Carter is busy doing something proactive, all you both are doing is ..nothing at all.
You both have zero ideas, zero strategy, lots of insults and when you're not striving hard to shirk from the issue, you're trying to criticize other posters' countries.
It's just sad.
I support Carter's moves - he clearly has far more guts and ideas than the Loser in Chief you both so lovingly support.
What strategy do you both support?
I mean besides your current strategy of....doing nothing?
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RomeoRamenII
"I support Carter's moves"
Then hop on a plane and be with Jimmy. With any luck, you will be taken hostage by Hamas. Oh, that's right. I forgot. Someone has to be wanted back before they can be considered a hostage.
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SushiSake3
Redacted, RomeoRamen, I admire your attempts at trying to stay relevant but you're going to have to come up with some ideas, plans or strategy other than suggesting a continuation of the current U.S. Govt. strategy of.......doing nothing.
As I said before, doing nothing isn't a strategy.
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SushiSake3
But Romeo, you still haven't come up with ANY new ideas, suggestions or plans or strategies.
Are you doing this on purpose?
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SuperLib
Actually Sushi you and I have no problems. We both see eye to eye on this issue. We both support Carter meeting with Hamas in hopes that it can produce tangible results to the peace process. Am I right or wrong?
My comment wasn't about you, it was about Europe. They seem to be silent on the Israeli-Palestinian issue and I've never really understood why. You said your country wasn't involved so my comment was about Europe, not your country. I don't care where you're from. I do know that posting here for years and always having to hide your roots must be mentally taxing and I'm happy just knowing you put yourself through that.
You got lost a second time by telling me I was drifting off topic, then demanding an answer about George Bush. But George Bush isn't even mentioned at all in the article, so how could he be the topic at hand? Did you just imagine he was the focus of the story or something? That kind of creeps me out to be honest with you.
So, to recap, you and I agree with the issue at hand, which is Carter meeting Hamas. Your obsession with hiding your home country caused you to imagine that I was talking about that, and your obsession with Bush made you imagine the story was about him.
Now are we on the same page?
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SushiSake3
SuperLib - thanks for your post - it's refreshing to read some sense for once.
"We both see eye to eye on this issue. We both support Carter meeting with Hamas in hopes that it can produce tangible results to the peace process. Am I right or wrong?"
That wouldn't be wrong.
"My comment wasn't about you, it was about Europe. They seem to be silent on the Israeli-Palestinian issue and I've never really understood why."
What do you believe is the issue/reasons here? I'm interested.
"You got lost a second time by telling me I was drifting off topic, then demanding an answer about George Bush. But George Bush isn't even mentioned at all in the article,"
Sorr, you must have missed it - this is parly about Bush because his administration is criticizing Carter's acions while Bush's administration sits on its hands doing - yes, you guessed it - nothing.
I'm sure you'll agree that if Bush's administration criticizes Carter's actions, then the administration should have an alternative plan of action?
Does it? Not that I see, but maybe you know something I don't, and if so, please feel free to enlighten me.
"Your obsession with hiding your home country caused you to imagine that I was talking about that,"
"and your obsession with Bush made you imagine the story was about him."
See my comment above.
Looking forward to your feedback.
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GeorgeRouault
Sixty-five years ago, the courageous Jews of the Warsaw ghetto rose in defense of their people. We Gazans, living in the world's largest open-air prison, can do no less.
3 months ago I buried my son Hussam, who studied finance at college and wanted to be an accountant; he was killed by an Israeli airstrike. In 2003, I buried Khaled -- my first-born -- after an Israeli F-16 targeting me wounded my daughter and my wife and flattened the apartment building where we lived, injuring and killing many of our neighbors. Last year, my son-in-law was killed.
Hussam was only 21, but like most young men in Gaza he had grown up fast out of necessity. When I was his age, I wanted to be a surgeon; in the 1960s, we were already refugees, but there was no humiliating blockade then. But now, after decades of imprisonment, killing, statelessness and impoverishment, we ask: What peace can there be if there is no dignity first? And where does dignity come from if not from justice?
Our movement fights on because we cannot allow the foundational crime at the core of the Jewish state -- the violent expulsion from our lands and villages that made us refugees -- to slip out of world consciousness, forgotten or negotiated away. Judaism -- which gave so much to human culture in the contributions of its ancient lawgivers and modern proponents of tikkun olam -- has corrupted itself in the detour into Zionism, nationalism and apartheid.
By Dr. Mahmoud al-Zahhar co-founder of Hamas
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SuperLib
Acutually Sushi I just browsed your comments:
If we remove the Bush-obsessed sentences then we're left with:
I actually agree with the 4 sentences above, however crude they may be. (I can't say that I'd use them as a platform to attack others for failing to provide a plan, but that's just me.) I just don't know why you make all of us sit through your Bush tirades just to get to those 4 sentences.
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SuperLib
I'll answer only if you agree to NOT bring up George Bush in your response.
I'll talk about strategy, but from the perspective of the strategy that the West shares. I'm not going to single out one country or person when there are dozens of like-minded countries and leaders who follow the policy of isolating Hamas. And that is the policy. Your characterization of "doing nothing" isn't accurate. And unless you're willing to take a broader view on the issue (i.e. not limit your comments to one person only) then we aren't going to make any progress. Sorry, but you have to check radical tendencies at the door if you really want to talk. If you want to talk about the West's strategy then I'm more than happy to do it. If you just want to talk about Bush then I'm not at all interested. Your choice, just let me know.
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SushiSake3
Um, Romeo, these words from the article -
"The U.S. State Department twice advised Carter against meeting Hamas leaders before he left on his Mideast trip earlier this week. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice criticized Carter’s plans to meet Mashaal, saying last week that Hamas is an impediment to Middle East peace."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is very much about the Bush Administration.
Denying that is denying reality.
Again, as I have already mentioned at least twice - Bush's administration is criticizing Carter for taking action - and yet taking no proactive action itself.
Please think before you post any more irrelevant comments.
Thanks.
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SuperLib
What a touching note. I know that if I had a son and he were killed I'd start killing innocent people as well.
Who else is with me?
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SushiSake3
SuperLib, probably every Iraqi who has had family members killed unjustly by your nation's military.
Thankfully there's people like Carter who have the guts to try to negotiate solutions rather than start dropping bombs, but I'm sure you would approve of the latter option.
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jambon
Why aren't the "Palestinians" doing something proactive such as destroying Hamas and Fatah, setting aside their pride and emulating Israel's successes and creating a bonafide (secular) government that is recognized by free countries around the world?
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SushiSake3
SuperLib - "Sorry, but you have to check radical tendencies at the door if you really want to talk."
Sorry, since when has a willingness to negotiate been "radical"?
Oh, I get it - when you compare negotiating to Bush's 'bomb first ask questions later' policy, I guess negotiating is radical.
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sailwind
Hamas is still launching rockets into Israel and that is the same as dropping bombs, and Jimmy,seems his guts has not done much to stop this. But what the heck he is not Bush and that is all that matters on this thread.
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Sarge
Jimmy Carter: "When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person, and that's the dictator, because he speaks for all the people."
What an idiot.
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SuperLib
Wow, you are all over the board on this one. Start with Iraq, which obviously has nothing to do with Palestine/Israel except in your imagination ("Do try to stay on topic"). Then mention Carter's name to stop the post from getting pulled (seeing that a lot recently, eh?). Finally, after listening to me agree with you and Carter you accuse me of not supporting diplomacy?
Uh, Sushi...heh...are you even talking to me? We get really close to agreement then you back away and make up these positions and start attacking them while I just kind of sit here and watch it all happen. It's like you're on some kind of creepy auto-pilot or something. I feel like I could be saying the exact opposite and I'd get the exact same response from you. It really is kind of creepy.
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SuperLib
Are you debating with your imaginary George Bush again?
Yep.
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GeorgeRouault
There is a huge difference. Hamas and Palestinians fight for freedom where as Israel fights to maintain oppression and apartheid. USA seems to be supporting the racist oppressors. Supporting oppression and racism is often as bad as practicing oppression and racism. It is amply clearly that Israel is a racist state, not a religious one. . People who sees this as a cycle of violence is not seeing the bigger picture. It is about a people who were ethnically cleansed made into refugees and oppressed ever since.
Americans and Jews, out of ignorance or tribal loyalty or both, insist that opposition to Israel is anti-Semitism. Well, if oppression and racism are consistent with being Jewish, then, yes, the world will be obliged to be anti-Jewish. Indeed, oppression such as occupation can’t persist for a long time without the material and moral support and backing by people and countries who may often look nice and speak softly. Many of the supporters of Apartheid in South Africa and Nazism in Germany also looked very nice and spoke softly, not knowing (or knowing) that they were tacitly backing evil, racist criminals committing ghastly crimes against humanity.
We know and you know and the whole world knows that words like ‘terror,’ ‘terrorists,’ ‘axis of evil’ and ‘enemies of freedom’ are all ideological terms used tendentiously by the powerful and the arrogant, such as Israel and the United States, to justify their own true terror against the weak and the oppressed. Even Satan himself would call his enemies terrorists.
It is wrong to blame each and every Jew on earth for the crimes of Israel . However, Jews can make a difference if they wish to, by speaking up against Israeli criminality and racism.
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Adamwest
I certainly support Carter's action by communicating with Hamas and I believe it was long overdue! Israel doesn't want peace because it would have to return the occupied land that it has taken from the Palestinians rightful owners. This is in accordance with both UN Resolution and International law. The west doesn't reflect anything in its media that is negative about Israel or positive about Palestinine. Israel always has the tendency to speak out about their attacks on Gaza and Westbank their only reason was because they were attacked first! The Palestinians are saying we were attacked first but who is going to believe the Palestinians when in fact they don't have funds to donate to US politicians like the AIPAC which is the arm of the Israeli Government. Israel illegally occupies 45% of Palestinian Land.
Sad situation being it was the Bush Administration that forced President Abbas to hold an election that backfired. Abbas said they weren't ready for an election but encouraged to do so by the Bush administration and Hamas was democratically elected. This was a shock to the Administration. Then, the US purchased weapons from Egypt by falsely telling Egypt it was for to arm the Fatah for defensive purposes, which in fact was not the case but for Fatah to attack Hamas. Unfortunately, Hamas found out that it was going to be attacked by Fatah and was well prepared to destroy Fatah's military assault. This is how Hamas took control of Gaza. Former Middle East advisor Wurmser to VP Chaney resigned his position and stated that this was a "dirty war" and doesn't believe Hamas would have initially taken the action to attack Fatah when it controlled the Gaza Strip.
One has to acknowledge there is a lot of misinformation to the American public by the current administration.
I strongly believe we should discontinue our aid to Israel because they continue to build housing on confiscated land. Additionally, since 1948 the US in grant form has provided to Israel $1400.00 for every man woman and child including the "Arab Israelis". Unfortunately "Arab Israelis" do not get any benefit from these dollars. The grant is still in effect to this day.
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redacted
Sushisake123 wonders: "What strategy do you both support?"
What strategy do you support, sushi?
What is your country doing?
If the problem is so serious why is its resolution left solely to American efforts?
Like "Global Warming" this is huge, no?
What is your PM doing ?
Why are you so ashamed of your own country?
Frankly, in the 20 years I have lived and traveled abroad the only guys I can not trust are those like you.
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SuperLib
redacted, perhaps you missed Sushi's position:
He's taken the time to list out his "ideas, suggestions or plans or strategies" for you and obviously he's explained the position of his own nation as well. He's simply demanding that you do the same.
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SuperLib
Hamas and Palestinians are terrorists who restrict personal freedom while Israel fights to survive the oppression and apartheid of the militant Arabs.
Supporting terrorism and self-genocide is often as bad as practicing terrorism and self-genocide.
It's about terrorism and those who encourage it as a form of conflict resolution to be exclusively used by Muslims.
Many Americans and Europeans look very nice and speak softly, not knowing (or knowing) that they are tacitly backing evil, racist terrorists committing ghastly crimes against humanity.
We know and you know and the whole world knows that words like "genocide" and "ethnic clensing" and "apartheid" are ideological terms used tendentiously by the weak and the arrogant, such as the Palestinians and self-loathing Westerners, to justify their own true terror against anything that has more power than anything else in the world.
Even Satan himself would call Hamas terrorists. Or maybe I should say that Hamas would call Satan a freedom fighter?
It would be wrong to blame each and every Arab for the crimes of Hamas. However, Arabs can make a difference if they wish to, by speaking up against Hamas' terrorism.
We could go on like this for days...and days...and days....
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SuperLib
Hamas doesn't want peace because they think they can kill all of the Jews.
So fire up the rockets and blow up an Israeli school. Oh, and don't forget the memo about UN Resolutions and International Law.
This is a bit of older propaganda. I'm surprised it still makes rounds these days. Maybe it still works on someone who hasn't picket up a newspaper or read the internet in the last 10 years or so. Here are the pictures the BBC has on their Middle East section right now:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44582000/jpg/44582996israelis_afp203i.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44583000/jpg/44583646woman_ap66pr.jpg
One shows an Israeli solder in full combat gear, the other shows a Palestinian woman crying out. Yep, the first thing I think is "Israel good, Palestine bad."
So Palestinians slaughtered other Palestinians in order to protect Palestinians. Interesting. Don't forget that militants also blew up the American School in Gaza. No doubt there were probably reports that the students were sharpening their #2 pencils and readying for an attack. Either that or they were gasp getting an education instead of throwing rocks at tanks!
Well sometimes I have hope...then I read a post like yours...
OK, well if building housing on confiscated land gets you mad enough to pull all aid, then intentionally targeting and killing civilians as a matter of policy surely would encourage you to speak out for America to stop giving aid to Palestinians.
Well if we could only get the Jews to treat their Arab population with the same respect that the Palestinians show their Jewish population...
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Helter_Skelter
The Mullahs are laughing.
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Zaphod
Helter Skelter:
The Mullahs are laughing.
Remember, this is the same Carter who helped getting Khomeini back into Iran from exile in France and replace the secular Shah regime with the current mullah theocracy. After all, he just had to trust a "holy man". And he is still at it.
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Den Den
Thank you Mr Carter. You have guts. I don't see Obama/Clinton/other guy doing the hard work. Too scared to offend their Zionist masters I guess? Come on all you other American's, give the guy a hand. When the Palestinians have back what is rightfully theirs, you will be amazed how easily your foreign policy struggles will disappear...
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Zaphod
But yes, of course. The jihadist terrorism in South Thailand, in Mindanao, in Northern Nigeria, in Western China, and for that matter in the suburbs of Paris will all mysteriously go away once Israel is destroyed. Isn`t that simple!
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Betzee
GWB and Condi were reportedly shocked by Hamas' victory at the ballot box. Guess they really believe that stuff about the "transformative of liberty." The Israelis, however, do not. Nor do that have many kind words for the neocon foreign policy. I mean, had it been successful would there really have been any need for Jimmy Carter's services?.....
The Israeli establishment has always been suspicious of all this talk about the "democratization" of the Middle East and chose to pursue a more "realistic" approach: Let them have their stable dictator so we can have our reliable partner.
http://www.slate.com/id/2134920/
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alohabunny
BLESSED ARE THE PEACE MAKERS FOR THEY SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH.....Happy Earth Day......God Bless Jimmy Carter a man of peace and a TRUE Christian.
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WhiteHawk
Maybe that explains why, in every election Carter has monitored, a despot has either come to power or retained power.
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