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Since this first 'broke' I wondered where is the story. Really, no-one is interested.

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Actually I for one am interested. This evil ISIS terror is spreading. Personally I have nothing to worry about but I don't want cancer to spread any further. They are very evil people, an embarrassment to say they are human.

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Don't be so sure you have nothing to worry about. There is a volatile Muslim population in every region. There will always be at least a tiny minority that will encourage and join such movements.

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You can see the CCTV here http://news.yahoo.com/cctv-shows-syria-bound-uk-girls-istanbul-bus-135754858.html

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Poor dumb girls. It's a remote chance of ever recovering them now that they're in the arms of ISIS. It's scary to think about what their lives must be like now but it's over and done with now and can't be changed. Water under the bridge, spilt milk, whatever.

We now need to be more focused on how to educate and prevent more of these poor dumb girls from thinking about going over there in the first place.

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'We now need to be more focused on how to educate and prevent more of these poor dumb girls from thinking about going over there in the first place.'

The first step could be for schools and/or parents telling young people what religion they are.

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stormcrow:

" Poor dumb girls. It's a remote chance of ever recovering them now that they're in the arms of ISIS. It's scary to think about what their lives must be like now "

Their lives are probably not bad at all; nothing compared to that of the Yazidi and Christian women that ISIS takes as sex slaves. They will be given to young, good looking ISIS Jihadists as wifes and treated well. There are reports from Yazidi women who escaped that the foreign jihad brides are often used to guard the Yazidi and Christian women in the ISIS de facto brothels.

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That may very well be true, and, more than likely, they have been brainwashed by now. Sad to say, but it's probably for the best to forget about getting them back and to do whatever it takes to prevent the next ones from going.

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"There will always be at least a tiny minority..."

Not for long. They are among the fast-growing minority in the Western world, and that includes the US.

Unless immigration is radically revamped or pressure is placed on them to reform their dogma from the dark ages, then the violence and risk are going to get a lot worse. That's because mainstream Islam is nearly always the springboard ideology to Jihadism.

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" Enjoy " your new life as "Comfort Women " / Slaves.

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mainstream Islam is nearly always the springboard ideology to Jihadism.

Actually, I think the disaffection from having the entire world say that one's religion is to blame, is what drives them to do what they are being accused of. It's like a guy whose wife is constantly accusing him of cheating - such guys usually end up going on to cheat. If you are going to get blamed for it anyways, you may as well do it.

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I hope they enjoy their stay.

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This is a tragedy.

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The determination to protect and respect religious freedom, fails to take into account important differences in Islam from others of the worlds religions. With many battles, carefully recorded and undisputed, Mohammed was a successful military leader, a General, a statesman, charismatic and bold, as well as prophet. Young Muslims worldwide are exhorted to look up to him as a perfect example ... and this is how many of them think of him. It must be remembered that the violence done by extreme groups, is a reflection of that offered by Muhammed himself, to enemies of his faith, with slavery and extreme brutality the result of actions taken by infidels, against the spread of Islam, and its essential Sharia law. If Muhammed is to be considered perfect, and to be emulated by all Muslims, without criticism, and with reverence, then I fail to see how his own brutality and that of his followers, will be easily excluded from carefully studied behaviour patterns, and detailed events. Perhaps there are Muslims here who can clarify? Meanwhile, while no criticism of the leader himself may be offered, then I suspect young people worldwide, may well be attracted to what appears to be a group of daring, devil may care, followers, following Muhammeds own example and passions in their spiritual fire.. for the faith?

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At first I couldn’t believe my ears. “Jihadi John” had finally been exposed as Mohammed Emwazi, and there on our screens was this knife-wielding assassin – a frame taken from one of those nauseating videos in which he swaggers and gloats and boasts about the ways in which he has subverted all decency and cut off the heads of a string of innocent aid workers and journalists. And there in the television studio was a man who seemed intent on exculpating the terrorist.

He was called Asim Qureshi, the “research director” of a body called “Cage”, and he was determined to blame absolutely everyone except the killer himself. When Jon Snow gently asked him to condemn the murders, he started babbling indignantly about the deeds of Tony Blair and Dick Cheney.

When pressed again, he accused the newsreader of Islamophobia. When Snow – who did an excellent job – asked him again to assign blame where it lay, fully and squarely with the ghoul in Syria, he started, incredibly, to blame the UK security services.

Yes, the brutal security services had stopped Emwazi from going to Tanzania “to make a life for himself abroad”. Make a life for himself! He was going to join a terrorist group called Al-Shabaab, and at one stage tried to force himself on board a plane. This sick young terrorist – said Qureshi – was “a beautiful man, very caring, very compassionate towards others”. Tell that to the relatives who have seen him publicly behead their loved ones.

It was one of the most vomit-making TV interviews I have ever seen, and at first I simply dismissed it. Surely no one would believe such rubbish; and then I reflected – and of course I saw that Cage and other apologists are by no means idiotic. You and I can see through their lies, but there are thousands, if not millions, who are more suggestible and who are willing to see things that way. The Cage people are pandering to a section of the audience that is frighteningly large, and growing. We need collectively to demolish their myths; and to do it fast.

We need a proper security response. We need to be able to monitor these vipers nursed at the breast of the British state: their movements, their communications, and sometimes we need to be able to separate them from others who could aid and abet their plans. In so far as the Lib Dems are still being obstructive, they must be overwhelmed.

Then I am afraid that we must accept that Isil still has the charisma that goes with military victory. They have money, oil, huge tracts of land – flats and material comforts with which to bait the deluded girls from Bethnal Green, who think they are going out to meet a religious and gun-toting version of Brad Pitt. We need to come up with a way of beating them – and given the understandable public revulsion at the thought of British boots on the ground, we need to work harder at backing the Kurdish Peshmerga, and persuading the Sunni military that it is in their interests not to collaborate with the terrorists, but to drive them out.

Yet none of these solutions will be any use unless we also change the way these people are sometimes viewed, and especially by young Muslims growing up in this country, whether in London schools or anywhere else. We need to debunk these jihadists and their phoney ideology. There is nothing pure or honourable in their barbaric subculture – of rape camps, throwing gays off cliffs and burning people alive in cages.

They are not even religious: many are said to have a very sketchy knowledge of the Koran. They are hopeless hypocrites who claim to despise the West but who pathetically wear Nike trainers and daub their temples with expensive Chanel cologne (Egoiste, appropriately, the preferred aroma). Many of them are losers: twits, twerps and misfits who are hopelessly caught up in a mobile-assisted pornography of violence.

Above all, we must stop this fateful elision – encouraged by the likes of Cage – between this jihadism and Islam. The other day I pointed out that many of these young men are – according to the security services – heavy users of porn. I was astounded to be denounced, on the front page of The Guardian, by the Muslim Council of Britain. A spokeswoman said that I was somehow attacking Muslims as a whole. Why on earth would she say that? Why is the MCB effectively claiming these porn freak jihadists for mainstream Islam?

I believe – and I certainly want to believe – that this jihadi madness is rejected by the overwhelming majority of Muslims; and yes, I was dismayed by the recent BBC poll in which 27 per cent said they had “some sympathy with the motives behind” the Charlie Hebdo shootings. But, then, there was no control sample of the rest of the non-Muslim population, and I am afraid that there are plenty of non-Muslims who found the cartoons offensive, and plenty of readers of this paper who object (rather more than I would, perhaps) to needless insults to religion.

I seem to remember that Pope Francis himself was asked what he thought of the motives behind the shootings, and said: “If you swear at my mother, expect a punch.” That would put him pretty firmly, I think, in the 27 per cent. The point is that neither he, nor Telegraph readers who disliked the Charlie Hebdo cartoons, nor the overwhelming majority of Muslims would want to see that emotion – taking offence – translated into violence of any kind.

That is why it is vital to insist, time and again, on the difference between this sick jihadism and Islam; and that is why, conversely, we must do everything we can to stop the likes of Cage – and indeed the MCB – from eliding anti-jihadism with Islamophobia. You can loathe jihadists, in other words, and be perfectly sympathetic to Muslims.

It is obscene, looking at their defence of Emwazi, to think that Cage have been taking money from charities such as the Anita Roddick Foundation and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation. They should stop apologising for terror, and start apologising to the victims.

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It is not enough for the overwhelming majority of Muslims to reject the jihadi madness.! It is not enough for the religious leaders of Islam, to say Peace is their motivation. Are young Muslims around the world...encouraged to revere. and emulate the man Muhammed...as a perfect example...who kept slaves, who practiced butchery....who was prepared to fight with all the violence necessary to protect and spread his faith ...of Islam? Or are they not? Is everyone else around the world permitted to see and discuss fault of any kind, in the leader of Islam, Muhammed, ...or not? Muhammed kept slaves and butchered his enemies. Was he a perfect example, or not? Is he beyond criticism,... so that how ever many more young people ...will look up to violence and cruelty as a good way to defend a religion, or not?

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ensnaturea2:

" The determination to protect and respect religious freedom, fails to take into account important differences in Islam from others of the worlds religions. With many battles, carefully recorded and undisputed, Mohammed was a successful military leader, a General, a statesman, charismatic and bold, as well as prophet. "

Spot on! The Western concept of "religious freedom" does not account for islam, which is a poligion... a political ideology in addition to a religion. So Jihadists like Yussuf Al Qaradafi, Omar Krekar, Anjem Choudry and thousands of others walk right through that open barn door and preach their fundamentalist, supremacist ideology in Europe without limits.

And it is not that this has never been noticed before. To wit:

"It is a misfortune to human nature, when religion is given by a conqueror. The Mahometan religion, which speaks only by the sword, acts still upon men with that destructive spirit with which it was founded." (MONTESQUIEU, 1748)

But what the philosophers of the enlightenment knew, we chose to forget with political correctness.

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It's like a guy whose wife is constantly accusing him of cheating - such guys usually end up going on to cheat.

And how often is that accusation completely false? Sometimes, but I bet not very often. There are 20,000 ISIS members that prove the opposite: that something is rotten in Islam.

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@strangerland

"Actually, I think the disaffection from having the entire world say that one's religion is to blame, is what drives them to do what they are being accused of. ....."

That simply is NOT the case at all, Whenever there's Islamist violence, every world leader like Obama and Cameron and Merkel stress over and over again that Islam is NOT to blame. The majority of the mainstream media also parrot that distortion of reality.

The ones who disagree are those who think deeply about the situation, its history and background, and sadly they happen to be a minority. If this minority had been policymakers in years past, the problem wouldn't exist today.

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The majority of the mainstream media also parrot that distortion of reality.

A quick look at fox news, and the comments section of any news website, show widespread blame of Islam provoking the disaffection I described.

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Strangerland:

" A quick look at fox news, and the comments section of any news website, show widespread blame of Islam provoking the disaffection I described. "

So, Jihadis all over the world are readying Fox news and readers sections in Western news sites? Good grief!

By the way, have you ever applied your line of "its the other`s fault" to your own pet peeves? Shouldn´t you argue that the oh-so-horrible Fox News is only oh-so-horrible because it is constantly lambasted by the liberal media and their readers section? So it is "the disaffection from having the entire world say that Fox News is to blame, is what drives them to do what they are being accused of"..... ?

Ah, logic is a bitch.

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So, Jihadis all over the world are readying Fox news and readers sections in Western news sites?

We're all on the internet. The anti-islam phobia is sweeping across the internet as a whole, not just in the examples I gave. And I was speaking of those who become disaffected from reading this hysteria, the jihadis are already disaffected.

Shouldn´t you argue that the oh-so-horrible Fox News is only oh-so-horrible because it is constantly lambasted by the liberal media and their readers section?

It's not impossible. But the fact is, they are supposedly a news organization, yet they contribute to baseless fear with lies and misreporting and an unwillingness to correct their mistakes when they are exposed. Their ethics are lacking. They are directly responsible for much of the fear and paranoia sweeping across the US, so they need to be condemned.

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Strangerland:

" We're all on the internet. The anti-islam phobia is sweeping across the internet as a whole "

Get real. Firstly, Jihadist terrorism was there BEFORE the internet, and secondly, the internet is flooded with pro-islamist propaganda, so what do you think potential jihadis are going to read..... jihadist propaganda, or critical comments in newspaper sections?

" It's not impossible. But the fact is, they are supposedly a news organization, yet they contribute to baseless fear "

Getting caught in your own polemic? Again, according to your strange logic, the oh-so-evil journalists at Fox News just cant help themselves, they are upset by all the criticism lobbed against them. Can´t have your cake and eat it too, sorry.

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CCTV shows British schoolgirls in Istanbul on way to Syria

Whence they get there and are treated like cheap meat at a market, they will be crying to go back home. But, I hope never to hear of them again.

StrangerlandMar. 02, 2015 - 06:03PM JST Actually, I think the disaffection from having the entire world say that one's religion is to blame, is what drives them to do what they are being accused of.

Really? Tell me something, do you think that if you hug a terrorist that this problem will go away?

This is a problem that is based on Wahhabism and not because someone was mad at the West.

Their goal is simple, Sharia law for all.

StrangerlandMar. 02, 2015 - 06:03PM JST It's like a guy whose wife is constantly accusing him of cheating - such guys usually end up going on to cheat.

That is the silliest thing I have read in weeks!!! Really, so if someone constantly calls you a murderer are you going to go out and kill someone?

Your honor, she said I was a cheater everyday, so I cheated to prove her right!!!

StrangerlandMar. 02, 2015 - 06:03PM JST If you are going to get blamed for it anyways, you may as well do it.

That is the response of a dullard or of a 10 year old.

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Really? Tell me something, do you think that if you hug a terrorist that this problem will go away?

No, I don't. The terrorists are already beyond help for the most part. But I can tell you what doesn't help - bigots condemning their entire religion due to the actions of a tiny percentage of the group.

This is a problem that is based on Wahhabism and not because someone was mad at the West.

If you think that bigotry from the west isn't contributing to the problem, you are kidding yourself. Of course there are also other issues at play, but the bigotry isn't helping any.

Their goal is simple, Sharia law for all.

It's easy for the bigots to try to boil it down to a single issue, so they can justify their bigotry, but there is more to it one simple reason.

so if someone constantly calls you a murderer are you going to go out and kill someone?

Me? No. But disaffected youth are a different story. And it's not just the Muslim militants. Look at any neo-nazi group, and the factors which push them into those groups. And sometimes the people in those groups kill as well.

That is the response of a dullard or of a 10 year old.

Or of a disaffected youth.

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StrangerlandMar. 03, 2015 - 02:00PM JST No, I don't. The terrorists are already beyond help for the most part. But I can tell you what doesn't help - bigots condemning their entire religion due to the actions of a tiny percentage of the group.

A tiny percentage? Around 20% of Muslims in the worldagree with what these terrorists are doing. Now, let us remember Muslim isn't a race, it's a religion with many races. 20% of 1.3 billion isn't a tiny percentage, it's a huge one.

StrangerlandMar. 03, 2015 - 02:00PM JST If you think that bigotry from the west isn't contributing to the problem, you are kidding yourself. Of course there are also other issues at play, but the bigotry isn't helping any.

If you think that pointing out the obvious is bigotry then you must be a Liberal. Labeling someone you disagree with is bigotry.

StrangerlandMar. 03, 2015 - 02:00PM JST It's easy for the bigots to try to boil it down to a single issue, so they can justify their bigotry, but there is more to it one simple reason.

It's easier to label someone than try and make a logical point. Try harder....

StrangerlandMar. 03, 2015 - 02:00PM JST Me? No. But disaffected youth are a different story. And it's not just the Muslim militants. Look at any neo-nazi group, and the factors which push them into those groups. And sometimes the people in those groups kill as well.

No, not you, people in general.

StrangerlandMar. 03, 2015 - 02:00PM JST Or of a disaffected youth.

That is silly and naïve. You are minimizing the actions of these terrorist and trying to justify their action by blaming their crimes on their victims.

You are trying to justify and glorify murder, genocide and rape.

Those terrorists aren't victims, the people they murder are the victims.

Good parenting and morals creates good citizens. There is 80% of the Muslim population that aren't radicals. What about them?

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"British Prime Minister David Cameron has urged social media firms to do more to deal with online extremism, saying the girls appeared to have been radicalised “in their bedrooms.”

Good grief...

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bigots condemning their entire religion due to the actions of a tiny percentage of the group.

A tiny percentage? Around 20% of Muslims in the worldagree with what these terrorists are doing.

While I ultimately disagree with their sentiment, I don't agree with the idea of thought police. Therefore, the percentage that think this way is irrelevant. Thoughts are empty, actions are what count, which is why I used the words "due to the actions" in my comment. The number of Muslims who engage in terrorist activities are a tiny percentage of the group. So I stand by my comment.

Now, let us remember Muslim isn't a race, it's a religion with many races.

Which is why I'm using the words 'bigots' and 'bigotry' instead of 'racists' and 'racism'.

If you think that pointing out the obvious is bigotry then you must be a Liberal. Labeling someone you disagree with is bigotry.

I am a proud liberal. But I point out bigotry when it's bigotry. It has nothing to do with whether or not I agree with their stance. My agreement is irrelevant. If someone is a bigot, they are a bigot regardless of my political leanings.

That is silly and naïve. You are minimizing the actions of these terrorist and trying to justify their action by blaming their crimes on their victims.

What? I haven't blamed the victims at all. The bigots are generally people living safe in the west who have never seen a terrorist attack, nor been anywhere close to one. The only thing they are victim to is the fear perpetuated by news organizations that make money off advertising by keeping people watching due to the fears they perpetuate.

You are trying to justify and glorify murder, genocide and rape.

Ridiculous. I've never done anything other than condemn these actions.

Those terrorists aren't victims, the people they murder are the victims.

I agree. I've never claimed anything otherwise.

Good parenting and morals creates good citizens.

Good parenting and morals are major factors in creating good citizens. They are not the only factors, and they alone aren't enough to keep some people from doing really bad things.

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How many more times around the same block?

Arguing that islam is too big to be criticized is a ridiculous argument. By the same token, we should not critice communism either.

And it is ESPECIALLY ridiculous because in those countries that have written Shariah provision in their constitutions (and there are many), it is IMPOSSIBLE to leave islam. So the argument is based on forced members.

Is is really so hard to swallow some liberal pride and accept some facts?

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Arguing that islam is too big to be criticized is a ridiculous argument.

I didn't argue that.

I simply pointed out that bigotry towards Islam as a whole creates disaffection amongst the practitioners who feel they have done nothing wrong, which will drive a small percentage of them to become radicals, (and a larger percentage to become radicalist sympathizers).

Is it really so hard to swallow some conservative pride to accept these facts?

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Thank you WilliB....its astonishing how few people recognise the similarity between the brutality of the jihadis, and the brutality of Muhammed himself, and those who hope to emulate him. Please, all readers ... go check up for yourself... the military stature of Muhammed. He was not simply a prophet of peace.. not by any means...An immensely powerful ..military General who fought and won numeros battles...and carried out his own brutal slaughter and enslavement. And he is the model and perfect example for all young Muslims to emulate, and the rest of the world obliged ...by extremist threat, to respect. Hate and bigotry have nothing to do with the discussion about the religious and political system that YOU will choose for yourself, your children and grandchildren if you support the development of Islam and Islamic law. Have you examined carefully, the system .. religious/political... of Islam?...and do you want it to be your own? What do you know about Muhammed, as political?military and religious leader? Are you aware that he was a fierce military leader and that he kept his own slaves? Islam is not about any kind of religious faith alone... it is about creating a world system of law and order of a very particular kind, with religion inseparable.. from your government. There is no more detailed, precise book of rules than the quran. There is no reason to hate anyone. It is simply a question of safeguarding your preferred rights and freedoms in law and government. It is very unlikely that Muslims will ever make strong complaints against the killings and cruelties of extremist, as long as they reflect Muhammeds own. He is beyond criticism, for Muslims, they are not allowed to say he was cruel or wrong. Hate no one, be kind to everyone. but do not throw away those few precious freedoms won so far, by handing power to a religious organisation of any kind.

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StrangerlandMar. 04, 2015 - 09:00AM JST Arguing that islam is too big to be criticized is a ridiculous argument. I didn't argue that.

No, you did, you did it like all Leftists are doing it. You blame everyone else for what these murderers are doing, and you just don't want to admit that you did......You are playing a game of words.

Someone points out exactly what you were implying and you claim that they are wrong or they are bigots for saying even thought they are right.. Classic Political Correct Leftist double talk.

Here is a perfect example of what you are doing the games leftists like you are playing......

StrangerlandMar. 02, 2015 - 06:03PM JST I think the disaffection from having the entire world say that one's religion is to blame

You try and make it sound as if anyone who argues against Orthodox Islam that they are bigots because they hate Islam.

When in reality people aren't railing against the Muslim faith, they are arguing against radical Islam (Orthodox Islam).

We don't want Sharia law, we want the laws that we have now.

But, you use double talk to make it seem that we are bigots because we don't agree with you or the bigots who would rather have Sharia law rather than the law of the land.

StrangerlandMar. 02, 2015 - 06:03PM JST I simply pointed out that bigotry towards Islam as a whole creates disaffection amongst the practitioners who feel they have done nothing wrong

No, you tried and make anyone who dislikes what these far Left extremist are doing is really bigotry against the Islam race.

Islam is not a race, Islam is a religion. Same as any other religion......And it should not be handled with kid gloves when it comes to their radicals (Orthodox fanatics all 270,000,000).

StrangerlandMar. 02, 2015 - 06:03PM JST which will drive a small percentage of them to become radicals, (and a larger percentage to become radicalist sympathizers).

Small percentages isn't 20% of a religion, a small percentage would be 1% of 2,000,000,000 and not 20-25%!

20-25% of 1,300,000,000 people isn't a small percentage, it's a real big problem! But, for some reason you leftist just don't get it!

Only way to stop this insanity is to jail the insane and help the rational. But most Liberals would rather help and promote the insane and jail the rational.

StrangerlandMar. 02, 2015 - 06:03PM JST Is it really so hard to swallow some conservative pride to accept these facts?

Conservatives aren't the ones trying to sing and dance around this very big problem, you leftists are.

Try and accept the fact that the only way to combat radicals is by rooting them out in all communities, even communities like Bristol, Minneapolis, Rotherham or Paris.

There is a problem but, your political beliefs are barring you from seeing it.

Instead of for the feeling for the victims of crimes you would rather look away and blame the crime on something or someone else. You would rather point a finger at the victims rather and placing the blame where it belongs, the criminals who take advantage of those poor victims.

Try harder!

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Not accurate to say... Islam is a religion same as any other religion!. It is a whole political/legal/religious system in one org.

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