China calls on US to retract Dalai Lama invite
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Laguna
I think Obama should talk with the Dalai Lama. I think they should talk about golf. They could talk about that sequence in Caddyshack that went like this (and moderators, please don't delete this: if there is one thing Sino-US relations need, it is a dose of humor)*
Carl: So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. Angie: A looper? Carl: A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald...striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver, he hauls off and whacks one- big hitter, the Lama- long, into a ten-thousand foot crevice, right at the base of this glacier. And do you know what the Lama says? "Gunga galunga...gunga- gunga lagunga." So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know?" And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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Graham DeShazo
The President of the United States will meet with anyone he wants to anyplace it is convienent at anytime that it is convienent. China can go suck a lemon, or sonething else.
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SuperLib
If China just ignored the Dalai Lama my guess is there would only be about 10% of the press coverage. The story is now mostly about their over-the-top reactions. China's policy seems a bit counterproductive since they are the ones putting him on the front page around the world more than anything else.
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Pukey2
I think the Obama administration should just ignore this. The Chinese government has to say this every time an invitation is sent out to the Dalai Lama. It's like the Japanese government has to speak out when something they don't like happens in the Southern Kuriles or the Korean government has to complain when Takeshima Day is announced, etc, etc.
By the way, I find it strange how few people gave a damn about Tibet before China's economy took off. Very strange.
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chewitup
Dear China,
Pound sand.
Sincerely,
U.S.A.
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Brannon Neville
The gall of China is breathtaking. I suppose they have to say this or lose face, but the US should just tell China to go play in the traffic.
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Photoman333
chewitup Dear China, Pound sand. Sincerely, U.S.A.
Amen, bro!
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Kwaabish
Dear China:
Your concern has been noted. However, request denied. What was your favourite line, "Please stay out of internal affairs"?
Sincerely,
USA
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Kwaabish
Dear Hu:
If you think that meeting with Hamas and Al-Quada would improve your international PR, by all means, please do so. You've already done wonders in PR by being big brother to N. Korea.
We know that meeting with the Dalai Lama is held in good light with the inetrnational community.
Best regards,
B. Obama
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DentShop
Dear Barry
You may have missed that we are not overly concerned about world opinion unless it is in regards to winning IOC votes. Unlike birth certificates, there are a few things we cannot overlook. From where we are sitting, it seems that the United States isnt overly concerned about international PR either. What, with the world economy, 3 wars and a morally bankrupt government. Perhaps you should spend less time worrying about "PR" and get on with rebuilding a nation shattered by greed and incompetence. Oh, and dont forget the cheque at the end of the month.
H.
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Kwaabish
H,
Funny, I thought overlooking birth certificates was the specialty of China. Especially in olympic atheletes. But thanks for your concern, we're going with the international norm concerning the Dalai Lama.
B.
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tkoind2
A message to China from an American.
Tibet, while under your control, is not your's and therefore does not qualify as your "internal affairs".
The Dalai Lama is a globally respected spiritual and intellectual leader, the fact that you have a problem with his being recognized as such and invited to meet other leaders of the world, simply illustrates your lack of respect for human rights. You have tagged yourselves, once again, as the repressive state you are.
From me personally China "Get Bent" you can't bully us. And the rest of Asia are equally getting tired of your incessant bullying. So give it a rest!
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Serrano
"The 1949 Communist revolution"
How many lives has that claimed/ruined?
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Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land
Wishful thinking, as China ships Han Chinese out by the trainload and will sooner or later become the majority ethnic group.
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tkoind2
@stranger.
I strongly disagree. Why?
The spread of capitalism will eventually lead to the same kind of middle class present in the west. Educated, politically and socially aware and increasingly likely to care about global PR and the role China plays on the global stage. These people are the most likely to call for greater autonomy and freedom for ethnic minorities. Especially if it means greater foreign investment and positive perception of China.
Tibet as a key global focus will always be a pressure point for China. Should China ever expand her political role world wide, something she clearly wishes to do, she will have to change how she deals with ethnic minorities and Tibet.
I strongly believe that all nations should tie continued economic support for China to greater demands for human rights. Should China`s own people fail to make changes over time, this would be the best way to exact change.
None will happen tomorrow, of course.
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globalwatcher
May I add a few more if you do not mind?
Taiwan, their currency Yuan being outside of International floating system, failing its population growth control and no freedom of press.
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Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land
@Tkoind2
When China becomes the majority, the possibility of Tibet or Xinjiang becoming independent will disappear.
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globalwatcher
Dear China
A shipment of stapler and staple set is on the way.
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Sincerely
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Darrin Flores
USA.. your days are numbered!.. you outsource all your jobs.. China owns most of your debt.. and you continue to overspend and borrow even more.... just like Rome... USA will fall due to internal corruption and filth... add another state that allows homosexuals to marry... and keep telling yourselves you are the GREATEST NATION!!!
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Elbuda Mexicano
China is a communist country, no freedom for religions, no freedom for Google, no freedom to express their real thoughts and worries. If we complain about the moderators here at JT, they are nothing compared to what would happen to this internet if it were run from CHINA, the JT staff would be doing hard time in some horrible Chinese gulags trying to get RE EDUCATED to churn out Chinese communist propaganda, that Tibet is really China, that the Tibetans are happy under Beijing rule etc..bunch of CRAP from our amigos behind the so called BAMBOO WALL. LONG LIVE FREE TIBET! Power to the people! This is what really, really scares the communists! Loosing power and letting the common Chinese people or Tibetan etc..stand up for their rights! Mr.Obama, do the right thing and meet with whom ever you so desire, it is your right as a FREE AMERICAN CITIZEN!
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miyazawa3
What Obama ( US) can do against China's Will.... China is a world power. US has to rethink their acts of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and not to get messed up with Iran ...or with Chinese policy. No State Can Stop China and Its decisions,
The best is Dalai lama to get unit with the China to be a part of word power and to receive the benefit , to stand with them . Why Against...? Dalai lama ..You want , Come US troupes to Protect you..? Did you forgot Vietnam, your neighbor. Do not you see Iraq..Afghanistan How they Suffer the war ... You should be accept the reality( it is not far from Buddhism) . be peaceful , politics and spirituality are two different Poles (That may you do not know ). and Accept the Chinese leadership . Wondering how you get close to US Forgetting your Big brother China. ...
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Kwaabish
Well there, the meeting's done. Like as many times before with leaders of nations around the world, the Dalai Lama is met with respect and love. It's too bad that China just doesn't get have a clue, keeps itself isolated in global opinion and continuosly loses in the PR front...
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Utrack
@ miyazawa3
You are joking right ! Tibet was invaded by China REMEMBER. China wants His Holiness to Disappear REMEMBER. Walking around in a fantasy coma helps no one, look at the facts. Tibet is an Occupied COUNTRY.
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nandakandamanda
China is all-powerful.
The only thing the Chinese leadership cannot change is what day of the week it is today.
Anyway the meeting is over now. Move along folks. China enjoy your 90th!
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Utrack
@ nandakanadamanda
That's why China was crying when American Businesses slowed down on placing orders during the US housing crisis. China is just a big Factory that's it.
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Photoman333
chewitup Dear China, Pound sand. Sincerely, U.S.A.
Obama listened to you!
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BreitbartVictorious
"USA will fall due to internal corruption and filth... add another state that allows homosexuals to marry..."
Sounds like another angry Chinese guy who can't find a bride.
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Serrano
"USA.. Your days are numbered"!
Ha ha ha ha lol, if that be the case, the free world's days are numbered.
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Foxie
I am not saying that all is perfect under Chinese rule but it seems a lot better than under the Dalai Lamas theocrazy.
Earlier visitors to Tibet commented on the theocratic despotism. In 1895, an Englishman, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the populace was under the “intolerable tyranny of monks” and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the Dalai Lama’s rule as “an engine of oppression.” At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W.F.T. O’Connor, observed that “the great landowners and the priests… exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal,” while the people are “oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and priest-craft.” Tibetan rulers “invented degrading legends and stimulated a spirit of superstition” among the common people. In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, “The Lamaist monk does not spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them. . . . The beggar beside the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and wealth.”24 As much as we might wish otherwise, feudal theocratic Tibet was a far cry from the romanticized Shangri La so enthusiastically nurtured by Buddhism’s western proselytes.
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Nessie
You're comparing the Tibet of 115 years ago to the Tibet of 2011 under Chinese rule? Do you think the Dalai Lama would still be into slavery? Or is your comparison just an exercise in intellectual dishonesty? Or did I answer my own question?
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Foxie
Who knows what would have happened? The Tibetans might have fought the theocrazy and there wouldn't be any more Dalai Lamas today otherwise I don't see how it would have ended. What do you think then, Nessie?
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YuriOtani
Darrin Flores, it must really upset China that America does not follow its orders. What are they going to do about it? As for holding debt the Americans can just print the money or sequester the money. About homosexuals, China is killing off the female fetus to have more boy children. America is not worried about China, what can they do but pout?
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Kwaabish
And npw, the Dalai Lama is on to attend more events in Chicago. Like everywhere else in the globe, it seems the US is welcoming him fully.
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Kwaabish
"now"... damn typos...
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Utrack
@ Foxie
His Holiness is Tibet's Leader Period, Ideology is in every country and every people.
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Nessie
I think Tibet would have become more secularized and modernized, like pretty much every Buddhist country in the world has. The monks would still be corrupt and meddling in political affairs, like we see in Buddhism in Thailand, but they would be no more oppressive than Chinese colonialism has been.
And I think bringing up the situation of more than a century ago is a canard, unless you compare the situation back then to other countries back then. It's lazy thinking for the purpose of making a dubious point.
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Foxie
Maybe, mabe not. Look at what happened in Burma and North Korea, both Buddhist countries. And yes, we are in 2011. Why then are there still countries like that? Power is a dangerous thing. The Dalai Lamas have lived in exile for many years now but what if they hadn't? I'd rather have the Tibetan people live in a free country, without the monks and without the Chinese.
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Nessie
Good examples which support my point: the Buddhist clergy in both countries is weak to non-existent in terms of political power. Either the countries would be secular totalitarian regimes like N. Korea, or they would be borderline democracies with Bhuddist influence, like Thailand. Or secular democracies like Singapore. In any case, the Dalai Lama would not be an issue.
The only logical conclusion is tht Tibet would have North Korean totalitarianism in the form of a theocratic Buddhist junta. ಠ_ಠ
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