Civilians flee east Ukraine town as fighting intensifies

DEBALTSEVE, Ukraine — Outgoing heavy-caliber fire boomed incessantly, shaking the ground and rattling windows around the besieged town. Residents of Debaltseve, seemingly inured to the racket, listened impassively as they mustered at the town hall on Saturday to be evacuated with as many belongings as they could carry. The government-held town has been without power, water and gas for at least 10 days, prompting many to flee from an intense artillery duel between government and Russian-backed separatist forces.

Russian populated town

So government aka Ukrainian forces can go home, they are not welcomed

When Ukrainian troops were overrun by formidably armed rebel attackers

Yes Ukrainian troops - and Ukrainian army NEVER win a one single war

For Russian militia of Donbass - this is a easy game to overrun Ukrainian Army in open battle

Ukrainian can't fight - only shelling civil areas

and during all this conflict - Ukrainian Army lost every battle ..despite NATO assistance

Ukrainian army - it is forcibly mobilized into operation civilians, they have no intention to fight, no training , no

normal weaponry - cannon fodder

so behind them usually standing anti-retreat forces formed from ultras

Can't just get good heavy equipment from a dilapidated military, and keep getting them, and keep getting resupplies. There's no logistics for sustaining a war based purely on the possibilities of a leaving army constantly providing you with dropped heavy weapons and ammunition resupplies - and good ones at that, and in working condition. Common sense it has to come from somewhere else. (Then again, people did believe those were not Russian troops in Crimea, so sometimes common sense ain't too common.)

lostrune2 Can't just get good heavy equipment from a dilapidated military, and keep getting them, and keep getting resupplies. There's no logistics for sustaining a war based purely on the possibilities

1 The same was truth for Syria & Libya " freedom fighters" - but nobody took any care about this - everybody was happy

2 If somebody gonna attack Russian - he should think twice

3 The main question - what is your solution for this situation - what we should do now - when in full swing burning the interethnic conflict??? Where is solution ???

(ethnic cleansing is not a solution - please think better )

Yeah, I agree with lostrune2. seems more plausible than "Russians are super attackers".

Putin is not honest to the parents of conscripts or volunteers who are shipped home in a box. "Accidents happen" seems to be the most common explanation for the mysterious deaths of some 4,000 Russian soldiers. This could end up being Putin's Afghanistan.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-war-in-ukraine-is-killing-lots-of-russians-cdf321c369

Laguna Putin is not honest to the parents of conscripts or volunteers who are shipped home in a box. "Accidents happen" seems to be the most common explanation for the mysterious deaths of some 4,000 Russian soldiers

Sorry to trouble you, but where you find such number ?

Imagine 4 000 soldiers !

They have a lot of relatives - it's not possible even theoretically to hide their deaths

About volunteers - some of them sacrificed their lives in this battle - nobody in Russia hide it

Sometimes it's on a first pages of local newspapers on TV and so on

But as you understand - not so many losses