Clinton apologizes for Robert Kennedy assassination remarks
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DanManjt
Dear Hillary,
Its time for you to withdraw.
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some14some
A sign of desperation...withdraw now and come back after four years.
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buddha4brains
And last week Huckabee made a dumb gun joke in reference to Obama. What is it with white Americans? I am beginning to think that racism is hardwired into the national consciousness. In the national zeitgeist a black president is just not something some Americans are willing to accept and someone will do something stupid. Hence these "unfortunate" reference are beginning to pop out.
Prove me wrong America. Please.
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maxjapank
Buddha...some Americans is correct. But starting with "white Americans" includes all. I am white but fully support Obama. Race, gender, etc..is not a concern for some Americans.
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SezWho2
California's primary was large and had a significant effect with 441 delegates at stake. It was also held in February this year. The remaining primaries in Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota have a total of 110 delegates.
The electoral processes in 1968 and 1992 were quite different than they are today. I realize that Hillary is tired, but if she is speaking about "process" here, she is off base. I, for one, did not remember that Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June so her remarks evoke for me the specter of assassination much more than they do the criticality of the primary process in June.
She has apologized and her apology is credible. I'd say give her the benefit of the doubt. As long as she can still win she is right to remain in the race. To withdraw while a chance of winning remains would be most unkind to her supporters.
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Everton2
Behind that manufactured frontage of most whites in America sit that uncertainty about race. They posit that it is not relevant but those of us who are keen observers of American politics and society know better, and as such are cognisant of the inherent deception in that position. They are never mindful of race until a daughter or son brings a minority person home to dinner. The recent comments by both Hillery and "hill billie" Huckabee underscores my point, that they are in words now actively urging an assassin's bullet to find a target in the Senator from Illinois. These are essentially the kind of people who have been making decisions in America for the last half a century, and they continue to ask why are we so misunderstood by the rest of the world.
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skipthesong
What is it with white Americans?" Why don't you tell us. You portray yourself as though you know - so let it out.
I am not white for the most part. I am not black in the perspective of black in America so I get to sit on the fence. You tell the board what is wrong with white America and what that has to do with the article. I can tell what is wrong with them, but at least I would be fair and also tell you what is wrong with Black Americans.
Anyway, what is with lib people these days who feel they must used the Kennedy's as a reference. Bill Clinton did the same and Obama is teetering on it. Why not Carter or Johnson? Equally, why do conservatives reference Regan? He was not an overly religious man in his youth.
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romulus3
does she mean, or have the hope that someone may gun down Obama in June?
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Everton2
skipthesong - I don't have to give a running lecture on white America's political and social phobias. They already know what they are, and I hope with the weight of conscience and natural tendency more of those deep seeded hypocritical positions will surface as we have witness recently. Moreover, since you have declared exhaustive knowledge about what is wrong with white America I urge you to share it with us.
Moderator: Stay on topic please.
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maxjapank
Everton...you are correct in many cases. Before i married my wife (who is Japanese) my uncle expressed concern for how we would fit in Amercia or Japan. He said that my children would be treated differently. He wasn't supportive at all. My mom and dad, however, were completely behind us. But the exact same situation happened at my wife's house. In fact, her mother worried greatly about what others would think. Uncertainty about race is not contained to whites. And although i don't like the word 'minority' it exists there, too.
Moderator: Back on topic please.
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Sarge
"It's time for you to withdraw"
Never give up! Never surrender!
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maxjapank
Okay...back on topic...:) I agree with SezWho. I accept Clinton's apology. I would never be a good politician cause i would never speak for fear of offending someone. Everyone says things that don't come out the right way...or...their true intentions are misinterpreted. We need to trust people as being good and descent. And accept apologies more often.
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buddha4brains
maxjapank, point taken. I should have said "some American whites" though Clinton's comment has left me a bit bewildered. Of course many Americans (white, black, brown, yellow) actively support Obama, but the comments by Huckabee and Clinton - both white and both members of the political elite - raise red flags galore.
skipthesong, so has any member of the black political elite in America made similar associations about white political leaders and guns? I would be equally dismayed if any have done so.
Like I said there seems to be a zeitgeist that is starting to associate Obama and guns - not a pleasant thing to be happening. And like I said, I hope I am wrong.
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Alphaape
Reace still is an issue in America, about the same as it is here in Nippon or any other part of the world. In Japan, their is a perception against gaijin because we are not seen as "uniquely Japanese." Well in America, it is not see as being "uniquely American" but along the color lines more or less.
If you look at housing statistics, you will see that keeping into consideration like income, blacks tend to live among their own and whites tend to live among their own. I am sure many can cite different situations but statistically, that is the case. Not that they are inherently racist, but people tend to live among people that they can easily relate too. Not to sit here and preach some "pax africana" or thta all blacks (and whites) get along together, no people are different. But it seems that no matter what the difference, when you at least walk out the door, you feel a bit more comfortable when you see the person coming out the door next to you at least looks like you in skin tone. I think that would even apply to Japan.
What is probably the cause of so much consternation in this election, is that with Obama and Hillary, people are afraid to see that this situation has come to light. The candidacies of Jackson and Sharpton do not count, since they were flukes, but Obama is a viable candidate at least on paper. His nomination will cause the whole opinion of race to come up, and Americans will have to honestly look at themselves. I don't think it is just a Democratic party issue. I like Gen. Colin Powell. Even though many wanted him to run on the Republican ticket back in 1996, I think these same issues of race would have come up. Just look at this election, Mitt Romney probably would have been a better candidate as far as strict conservative views, and wall street connections, but a lot of far right Republicans could not accept that he was a Mormon, and not an evangelical or even catholic. Even if McCain picked someone like Joe Liberman, a Jew, that would still cause some concerns to people.
I for one don't think Hillary should withdraw. Obama doesn't have the right amount of delegates, and there still is an issue with Florida and Michigan votes counting. But to just quit before the game is over I think sends a bad message. So the voters in South Dakota, and the other last stated don't count is what it says. At least Huckabee, even though he was loosing badly, still stayed in until McCain had secured the amount of pledge delegates needed. Play the game until the game is over, don't just walk off the field when you are loosing.
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skipthesong
Everton and Buddha: I would love to get into this, but it is going to be off topic and the mod will take it down because it will drag on. But, it needs to be discussed. Listening to both blacks and whites is sometimes comical but sad, crazy and un-real, yet very very necessary. So, until both sides find a common ground, there is going to be hell. And I mean both sides. As far as I am concerned, in recent times, both groups have a lot of work to do with themselves internally as well as outside their groups. Listen to Obama's full speech, then read it then listen to it again. Make a judgment only after you have done both and not from some reporter's point of view. And then read what a white reporter says if you are black and what a black reporter says if you are white.
However, what is relevant is this: but the comments by Huckabee and Clinton - both white and both members of the political elite - raise red flags galore." Here is where things get out of hand. It was not a comment to get hyped about and if Obama was not running, he himself wouldn't be offended; this is where I hate politics.
Hillary's comments were really even that bad. All she did was make a reference. Probably spoke from a very impromptu moment and she has apologized. But, after reading this article and listening to her statements, I am no longer going to ask her to drop out until she feels its time - it is her life and as Alphaape puts it "Play the game until the game is over, don't just walk off the field when you are loosing."
My only issue is why so much of a desire to consider yourself someone from the past? Both repubs with Regan and Dems with Kennedy.
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buddha4brains
skipthesong, sage advice. perhaps you did not read (yahoo news, google news, nytimes, etc.) that Clinton has said this before and is not an impromptu reference.
Also, hate to break it to you but this is politics. In fact it is the main political news these days for many people. Also Obama is running and people do get hyped when white people start making references that involve black people and guns.
I have no comment about the Kennedys since I have not mentioned them.
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smithinjapan
Well, this will decide whom to vote for for any undecideds. A very stupid remark at a very crucial time in the campaign.
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super delegate
"Well, this will decide whom to vote for for any undecideds."
No it won't.
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buddha4brains
This may not "decide whom to vote for many undecideds" but it is hard to make the case that it wont have an effect on some key undecideds such as Gore for example. I would argue that she has made it easier for him to support Obama - I really do not think he wants to back Clinton.
Clinton was foolish to use the word assassination when it was not really germane to the point she wanted to make.
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skipthesong
buddha: "Clinton has said this before and is not an impromptu reference." Ok, no, I didn't know that. Did she the same thing? or was she being a typical Dem in referring to JFK and Bobby?
"Obama is running and people do get hyped when white people start making references that involve black people and guns" I don't know what you mean by that. I saw the vid, stupid sure but I don't see why you need to get hyped over it unless I missed something.
Well, this will decide whom to vote for for any undecideds. A very stupid remark at a very crucial time in the campaign." I personally think Obama will and has always had the undecided in the bag. Unless someone as young as he and as charismatic as he comes along, he has had them. Hillary has always had her die hards and has always had those dislike her. I don't see many in between. They either love her or hate her.
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super delegate
Robert Kennedy was killed by a "Palestinian" named Sirhan Sirhan angry about Kennedy's position on Israel.
What is Hillary trying to get at?
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buddha4brains
skipthesong. It was basically the same reference almost verbatim.
In my original post I wrote about a possible zeitgeist where everyone is thinking the same thing at the same time. In the past week, two prominent white politicians link Obama and gun violence. This is the thought that behind my thinking. As I said, I hope I am completely wrong, but it is disconcerting that in a space of a week Huckabee and Clinton make this reference.
I am not suggesting for a second that they actually are thinking along those lines. Only the fact that people are thinking about it and that it has entered into the public discourse through two unlikely sources. What that suggests to me at least (and perhaps only to me) is that this kind of thinking is quite wide spread.
There will always be people on the fringe who think dark thought and dream up dark schemes. The assumption is that when a threat enters the public discourse then it should be regarded as more real than theoretical.
Remember all that public chatter in the news about a terrorist threat in the summer of 2001? Of course events happen without public chatter or discourse, but my spider senses get tingling when certain things are said, like this case.
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Nessie
Unless you've been under sniper fire like Hillary has, you really have no grounds for comment.
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SuperLib
Doubtful.
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presto345
Unlikely. It was an unfortunate remark, but it won't make the pendulum swing the other way.
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soothsayer
It seems to have been just a thoughtless remark, which is a big step up from "mispeaking" about dodging bullets at a Bosnian airport. Anybody seen Bulworth, by the way?
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Madverts
"Robert Kennedy was killed by a "Palestinian" named Sirhan Sirhan angry about Kennedy's position on Israel."
Heh, with several CIA operatives in the room watching their islamo-bot.
Good "god" American politics is a childish and shrieky affair.
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unscrejects
This moronic woman is the pits. One innuendo after another and peoople still give her the benefit of the doubt... please spare us. What she clearly wanted to say was that if I stay in and Obama gets cut down I and not any other Dem gets the nod.
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Madverts
As per the first post here....
It's over Hilary.
Better luck next time.
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Sarge
"It's over (, Hillary )"
Never give up! Never surrender!
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romulus3
buddha4brains
a really parsley, rosemary and thyme addition to a discussion already tasty. Nice of you to spice it up a bit.
this is amazing, my utility belt tightens for the very same reasons.
This may not "decide whom to vote for many undecideds" but it is hard to make the case that it wont have an effect on some key undecideds such as Gore for example. I would argue that she has made it easier for him to support Obama - I really do not think he wants to back Clinton.
> Clinton was foolish to use the word assassination when it was not really germane to the point she wanted to make.
yep, you are right on the money there. cannot fault you.
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super delegate
Why should Hillary Rodham Clinton apologize when Barack Hussein Obama's own wife is guilty of far worse "fear-mongering" ?
“I don’t lose sleep over it because the realities are that . . . as a black man . . . Barack can get shot going to the gas station,” Michelle Obama said in the interview, set to air Sunday night. “You can’t make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen.”
video -
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/11/video-obamas-wife-plays-race-card-on-60-minutes/
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super delegate
Robert Kennedy's son is defending Hillary on this one.
The gloss is fading.
Obama is just another Chicago politician...
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Madverts
"The gloss is fading.
Obama is just another Chicago politician..."
Heh, perhaps if you write it enough times it will change the hated Reality!
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super delegate
"Heh, perhaps if you write it enough times it will change the hated Reality!"
You have no idea how badly I want Obama to win nomination for his party.
It will greatly diminish the Clinton "legacy."
It'll create a rift among Dems that, if the country - and the world - are lucky, might force them to basically dissolve and reform their party.
And since HRC will have most likely won the popular vote in the Dem primaries (something the media doesn't like to highlight much) it'll take all the shriek out of their Bush-stole-da-2000-election-man "argument."
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Madverts
Obama will most likely win the nomination. And then, his only competition is an old fart that wants to by and large continue the failed policies of Bush Co. Heh, talk about competition.
Like I said earlier - choose the leaping ground wisely this time 'round to avoid the disappointment and discomfort you experienced back in '06 ol friend.
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WhiteHawk
Madverts, is there anything significant that distinguishes Obama from other Chicago polticians?
Other than he hasn't been under indictment yet?
As for Clinton's comment, it just exposes how hyper-sensitive leftists/liberals are to facts.
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