Clinton, Sanders reach out to minority voters after debate

Nothing in Sander's proposals negates the approach of using the ACA to incrementally push in Universal Healthcare.

In fact, the primary method both Sanders and other economists who support the idea of UHC suggest to get it in is to require a Public Option (you know, the one that got deleted from the original ACA) from all states on their Exchanges.

That is, require that states provide health insurance as an option for people to select.

Once that's in, the steps to replacing the entire health insurance industry are smaller and doable. But the health insurance industry has to be done away with. That's what Sanders is saying: ultimately, we can't survive even on a 100%-enrollment ACA-style system. It's too expensive. We must go to a UHC system, free to all, tax-supported.

So many pundits presume that Sanders is advocating for immediate replacement of things as we do it now (not just for Healthcare, but for most of his other proposals). That's blatantly false, and Sanders himself has never claimed to want or propose that. His statements are that we must replace our existing systems, not just patch them endlessly. But neither he nor most of his supporters presume that it will happen magically overnight. That's the pundits putting words in Sander's mouth.

Clinton, who has cast herself as the rightful heir to Obama’s legacy, accused Sanders of diminishing the president’s record.

No wonder young americans don't want to vote for her. They actually want to vote for, "Change" this time around-

Has anyone else noticed that when they post these pictures, Clinton is always in the majority of them? Hummm, looks like the corporate media is trying to sell me a brand. Right next to the "everyday American porkless hot dogs" and the Heinz ketchup with the flip-flop top cap.

It's only a matter of time before Hillary starts self-destructing.

Crazy Joe - good write up.

One thing I find interesting is that while every republican candidate has complained about the ACA, none of them have offered an alternative. Sanders complains about the ACA - and offers and alternative.

Which seems like a better leader?

none of them have offered an alternative.

Most republicans I know have high-quality health care plans provided by their employers. They're called "benefits."

Too bad the lower earning uninsured know nothing about that. . . . . so they (even illegal immigrants) expect "others" to cover their medical care just because they live in america. They gripe about this and that, but earn minimum wage. Its absurd.

The gov should be fixing the VA first.

Most republicans I know have high-quality health care plans provided by their employers. They're called "benefits."

What does that have to do with providing an alternative to the ACA?

Which seems like a better leader?

His plan will further drive premiums up and cause more people to just cancel and at the rate he wants to tax everyone, if you don't have enough people paying into this godforsaken system, then the whole thing will implode.

If WERE a wise leader, he'd come up with an alternative that won't further bankrupt the already crippling and faltering system.

Most republicans I know have high-quality health care plans provided by their employers. They're called "benefits."

And it worked just fine, although, I think the system needed to be tweaked to help the people that were uninsured and people at a bottom. I'm all for that. But there was absolutely NO need to completely overhaul a system that worked for millions of Americans that had zero problems with their health insurance. This system is the worst and more and more doctors are refusing to accept it and it's getting worse.

Too bad the lower earning uninsured know nothing about that. . . . . so they (even illegal immigrants) expect "others" to cover their medical care just because they live in america. They gripe about this and that, but earn minimum wage. Its absurd.

The gov should be fixing the VA first.

Oh, most definitely.

has President Barack Obama gone far enough in his policies?

No, he has not. At least, that is what most of us Dems under the age of 50 think. Whether Clinton gets the nomination this time round or not, I've got a little secret to share with you all:

This is the last election where the democratic establishment can ignore what Sanders is talking about. Either things change, or we will change it for them.

His plan will further drive premiums up and cause more people to just cancel and at the rate he wants to tax everyone, if you don't have enough people paying into this godforsaken system, then the whole thing will implode.

As compared the Republican alternative which is..... ???

Absolutely nothing. Because the Republican party only knows how to criticize, not how to lead.

If WERE a wise leader, he'd come up with an alternative that won't further bankrupt the already crippling and faltering system.

Well thank you for showing that none of the Republican candidates are wise leaders, since none of them have come up with an any alternative at all, much less one that solves the issues you talk about.

This is the last election where the democratic establishment can ignore what Sanders is talking about. Either things change, or we will change it for them.

By destroying the Republican party.

This is the last election where the democratic establishment can ignore what Sanders is talking about. Either things change, or we will change it for them.

And if that change is Trump, what then?

As compared the Republican alternative which is..... ???

For one thing, once Obsma is gone and IF Trump or a Republican gets the WH, you don't have to get rid of Obsmacare entirely, but you can make some massive changes to it and strip away many of the useless provisions that are weighing the people down. That most definitely can be done.

Absolutely nothing. Because the Republican party only knows how to criticize, not how to lead.

Uh-huh...and if that were even remotely true, Trump wouldn't be the Juggernaut in the room.

Well thank you for showing that none of the Republican candidates are wise leaders, since none of them have come up with an any alternative at all, much less one that solves the issues you talk about.

I never said they didn't. Besides, we have more important issues that need attending to, like jobs and NOT paper hat jobs that go like, "do you want fries with that order?"

By destroying the Republican party.

I think before that happens, Trump will steamroll his way through the Democratic Party first.

The candidates both vowed to pursue comprehensive immigration reform, using the emotional issue to draw a contrast with Republicans who oppose allowing many of the millions of people in the United States illegally to stay.

They shouldn't be allowed to stay.

Its bad enough very few are being deported bck to Central America's slums and Mexico as it is. Its bad enough the cartels and their henchmen murder people in the US and distribute drugs.

Its bad enough some are getting state issued drivers licenses, when they have no right at all to be in the US. Its bad enough they are getting access to medical care in the US, while seasoned veterans get thrown on a "waiting list."

Our southern border is a joke. DC has been ignoring this for years. The corrupt Mexican gov don't give two bits about the situation neither . . . . . & some people say we don't need a wall. Really?

For one thing, once Obsma is gone and IF Trump or a Republican gets the WH, you don't have to get rid of Obsmacare entirely, but you can make some massive changes to it and strip away many of the useless provisions that are weighing the people down. That most definitely can be done.

Please point me at a Republican alternative. Not just some vague 'we're going to make it better' comment, and actual proposal about their plan.

Don't waste too much time searching though, it doesn't exist.

Uh-huh...and if that were even remotely true, Trump wouldn't be the Juggernaut in the room.

You mean the guy who has done nothing but put out complaints and unrealistic proposals? Thanks for proving my point.

Please point me at a Republican alternative.

I already told you and to add to that, the provisions that are muddled and excessive unnecessary costs can be altered by a new Republican majority.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/04/doctors-hospitals-wont-accept-obamacare-marketplace-plans

Not just some vague 'we're going to make it better' comment, and actual proposal about their plan.

But the Democrats didn't make it better for the majority. If they did, every hospital would take it, but that's not what's happening.

Don't waste too much time searching though, it doesn't exist.

I don't need to search, it doesn't take a brain scientist to figure out that the system is falling apart.

Strangerland - Because the Republican party only knows how to criticize, not how to lead.

.....By destroying the Republican party.

You keep repeating this. Your hatred and criticisms seems to be very strong. Do you think that's actually going to change voter's minds?

Sorry, zero expectations.

Bush said recruiting the former president wasn’t a sign of desperation,

Maybe he's trying to appeal to the various military personnel in South Carolina who want to keep the US in the perpetual state of war Jeb?'s daddy and brother got going.

Its bad enough the cartels and their henchmen murder people in the US and distribute drugs.

Tell your fellow US Americans of all races and income classes to stop doing drugs, or else move to decriminalise them. The cartels are meeting market demand - sadly. The US drug problem is a US problem. Stop blaming others.

For one thing, once Obsma is gone and IF Trump or a Republican gets the WH, you don't have to get rid of Obsmacare entirely, but you can make some massive changes to it and strip away many of the useless provisions that are weighing the people down. That most definitely can be done

In other words, Obama is bad, but I have no suggestions, nor do the people I support. The only responses the right wing true believers have are memes created by Murdoch, Rove, Stone, the Koch brothers etal. Trump's answer to hard questions is 'I'll hire good people'. Mighty big trust me from someone, like the politicians he demonizes (and whom he's little different from), who's shown throughout his life not to be trustworthy.

"Uh-huh...and if that were even remotely true, Trump wouldn't be the Juggernaut in the room."

But you said Trump's supporters are lunatics. Should the views of lunatics be taken seriously?

In other words, Obama is bad, but I have no suggestions, nor do the people I support.

So you mean, Bernie has a solution, taking other people's money, that's a viable alternative to fix the country?

Thank you for reinforcing my point: you have no suggestions, only oblique responses and deflections.

"Please point me at a Republican alternative." Trump with higher taxes and more government healthcare.

"And if that change is Trump, what then?" Trump said he would fix the "42" percent unemployment rate.

"you don't have to get rid of Obsmacare entirely" Socialism

"you can make some massive changes to it and strip away many of the useless provisions that are weighing the people down. " Specifics? Jut think what Trump will do to OC when he becomes president AND higher taxes. More government healthcare of course.

" they are getting access to medical care in the US, while seasoned veterans get thrown on a "waiting list."" Illegals get their healthcare at the VA?

Sanders is doing good job,though Nevada and South Carolina will be big challenge as Hillary seems to be well backed,but main time i can see facts on the ground are changing.I can see real strong desire of changing among young generation,liberals,and angry people.Hillary accusing his plans to be unrealistic,but that wont help her same as "first woman president"not anymore that charming or effective,nor enough.I still believe in Sanders as the best choice.

I don't need to search, it doesn't take a brain scientist to figure out that the system is falling apart.

You mean neurological scientician. That is the proper scientist terminology in the journalism field.

But you're right. The system is falling apart. The greater number of people who pay into health insurance, the worse off it is for the Republican Party. Wealth redistribution needs to move upwards, not downwards. It's a fact.

I just saw a CNN interview with Lt. General Michael Flynn, former director of the National Defense Intelligence Director under Obama, in which he gives 2 good reasons for Hillary to step down and put her presidential candidacy on hold until the FBI clears her.

"NO need to completely overhaul a system that worked for millions of Americans that had zero problems with their health insurance." You are right. Medicare is fine. So the point is to get hundreds of millions on Medicare for all, not just millions...then they will have "zero problems"

You mean neurological scientician.

No, I meant specifically "Brain Scientist."

What's a scientician?

That is the proper scientist terminology in the journalism field.

I wasn't a Science major, but I do appreciate the love, bro!

But you're right.

Most of the time.

The system is falling apart. The greater number of people who pay into health insurance, the worse off it is for the Republican Party.

Actually, it won't be a problem for the GOP, if Trump is elected and so far, there is that high possibility, we shall see what he will do once he tries to overhaul the system.

Wealth redistribution needs to move upwards, not downwards. It's a fact.

I disagree. You cannot and will never create a proper functioning and stable economy snagging someone else's money. Question, what will you do when hundreds of the 1% move their money to offshore accounts? Can't blame them! That is what will happen if Sanders WERE to become president. There are already a lot of people making inquires into this and once more people do it, then what? You'll have to increase and demand more taxes from the middle class, if that happens with a Sanders presidency, I guarantee, he'll be a one term president.

"Trump is elected and so far, there is that high possibility, we shall see what he will do once he tries to overhaul the system." With higher taxes, including more government healthcare.

"snagging someone else's money." Trump with higher taxes.

"what will you do when hundreds of the 1% move their money to offshore accounts? " That won't really do anything.

"The system is falling apart. The greater number of people who pay into health insurance, the worse off it is for the Republican Party."

"Actually, it won't be a problem for the GOP, if Trump is elected and so far, there is that high possibility, we shall see what he will do once he tries to overhaul the system."

Yes, but you said Trump's supporters are a lunatic fringe of the GOP. Just how big is that lunatic fringe? Is it big enough to win the presidency for Trump?

Yes, but you said Trump's supporters are a lunatic fringe of the GOP.

Yes, I think so and even more for the Sanders supporters.

Just how big is that lunatic fringe?

The same as on the Democratic side.

Don't know, but both parties are the biggest bunch of nutty lunatics I have ever seen.

Is it big enough to win the presidency for Trump?

Given the insults and over the top rudeness and that people don't care what he does, in other words, I think he could pull it off.