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adaydream
It's a common practice of Israel. It seems that every time there are chances of getting some peace or at least a limited peace treaty. But again Israel comes out to be jerks and slap the US in the process.
Be real, Netanyahu isn't apologetic about anything. < :-)
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mike46
When will Israel be properly held responsible for its actions - they break one UN resolution after another but hypocritically scream when others (Particularly Iran) do the same.
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HeyLars
I am sick of these Israelis and their damned tactics. Good on Clinton for meeting their typical disingenuity with a tongue lashing. Now cut them off and let them fend for themselves.
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Molenir
Yes yes, we can all read between the lines. You hate Israel and would like it to be destroyed. We hear you. Strongly disagree, but you're welcome to your opinion.
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herefornow
Molenir -- actually I am very pro-Israel, and happen to agree with HeyLars completely. As he says "Good on Clinton".
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zurcronium
Above is a typical christian rightwing response to calling out Israel for what it is, a jewish rightwing religious state that indeed practices apartheid and state level terrorism.
No one should be surprised by the latest activity in Israel. Bush and his band of rapture nutties let Israel run wild for the last decade and now no reasonable approach is possible at all for peace there. Israel is the problem now, not the oppressed Arabs. Israel is hounding its own Jewish citizens now, like Iran, who do not agree with the state terrorism that is their fundamental policy toward all of its neighbors other than Egypt. There they were bought off by the genius Carter in the late 70s, before Israel turned into a what it is today. A huge failure.
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skipthesong
whose is going to live in those places? You've got to be out of your mind.
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HeyLars
Molenir you are not reading between the lines. You are guessing wildly. Israel can stay in Israel for a million years and see if I care. I don't hate Israel, I just have more reason to be angry at them. I just want two things concerning Israel: for the Israelis to let go of their grip on the occupied territories and for America to stop bankrolling their war machine. What angers me about Israel over the Palestinians is that its the Israelis holding the Palistinians prisoner, stealing their land, and killing them too, and so much of it on my country's dime. Wait, did I say dime? I meant to say billions! Sorry.
Yeah, the Palestinians are rather unruly prisoners and I don't want them over for dinner either, but what do you expect from a prisoner? Israel's reactions to them are totally out of proportion, and for what? For tyranny, that is what, because the majority of the people living in the occupied territories don't want Israel, clearly. Either you support democracy or you support tyranny on this. Its not really a matter of hating anyone. Your assertion is like the small son telling his father that daddy loves his brother more because he does not punish the brother as much. Never mind that the little son is the one causing most of the havoc! I see with the eyes of the father.
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Molenir
Allright Heylars, let me ask you a simple question in response to your post. What do you think would happen if the US stopped supporting Israel. Give me the reality. What would happen to Israel? Do you think their neighbors would be talking peace and harmony? Singing Koombahyah over smores and a campfire with their Israeli neighbors? Please, enlighten us as to what you think would occur should Israel lose the financial and political support of the US. After all if you're going to push for this, you should be aware of the consequences as well right.
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moonbeams
I'm sick of how Israel is in the middle of the right vs left issue. I'm sick of how people take a side in the issue just to fall inline with their party's platform.
Israel needs to stop building these settlements that seem to provoke Palestinians. Being against these settlements in no way equates to being anti-Israel or antisemitic. Just being against the hawkish government.
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adaydream
Molenir at 02:11 PM JST - 13th March
Israel would have to pay for their nuclear program out of their own pockets. Which means they wouldn't have any. They would be kept on the ground (no jets or helicopters) like the ones they attack. Our money buys their jets and precision rockets.
Then Israel would have to sit down and talk. They would have to deal on even turf with their neighbors. Not have the ability to take their jets, helicopters and precision bombs to wipe out their neighbors. Give them the same kinds of non-precision rockets that travel short distances.
They would have to kiss the UN ass like Gaza does. They would be grateful for what they get, instead of being arrogant killing machines. < :-)
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sharky1
Billary is tagging along with Biden...no leadership for the dems at all...
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HeyLars
Molenir, I can't predict the future, but I think Israel's established neighbors have had their butts kicked enough that they are not going to mess with Israel anyway. The UAR is dead besides. Israel's only true problem is Palestinian militants. Sure, rocket attacks and other terrorist attacks might increase in the short run, but hey, that is what happens when the unjustly imprisoned and oppressed finally get out of jail! You reap what you sow! Israel can find a way to defend her borders from within her borders, because that is the way justice works and in the long run its the only way this is going to end.
There is no way in heck I am going to defend injustice because its the state of things now and the road to justice will be hard. I am not going to support tyranny.
And even if American money is the only thing propping up Israel, then let it fall. I don't want to fork over money for all eternity to someone dumb enough to plant themselves smack dab in the middle of their enemies. I would seriously rather flush that money down the drain, literally! If Israel cannot survive on its own by now, it was not meant to be. America has her own problems without supporting a 60 year old belligerent teenage fool!
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Helter_Skelter
Apparently the Obama administration didn't receive the memo. East Jerusalem is part of Israel now. Such are the spoils of war for repeatedly and unsuccessfully trying to eliminate the state of Israel. No going back to pre-1967 when Jews were forbidden from entering East Jerusalem by Muslim Arab racists. No need for Netanyahu to apologize for anything.
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Molenir
You say you can't predict the future, but you are willing to blindly assume everything will be peace and love? Let me tell you, the only reason Israel won in 67, and again in 73, is because of American support. Without that there would be no Israel, and a lot of Jews would have been slaughtered by their peaceful Arab neighbors.
So getting back to what I said before. Based on what you just said, I think my earlier post was correct. Reading between the lines, You hate Israel and would prefer it to be destroyed.
Unlike yourself, and several others on this board. I see this conflict as having 2 sides. Israel does screw things up. The timing of this announcement is a case in point. But most of the time, its the Pals firing rockets, attacking Israel, doing suicide attacks, murdering Israeli citizens... The point being, that both sides are at fault. Abandoning Israel is not the solution. Washing your hands of them and inviting them to be murdered is not what civilized people do. Whining about injustice when its the very restraint shown by Israel that allows these complaints to occur. No, both sides are at fault here. There is injustice on both sides, but despite it all, you won't see it.
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shitamachipride
What people in US fail to see due to them not having access to media but rater controlled corporate propaganda is that this Israeli government is as far right winged as it gets making Taleban look like moderates in comparison.
This government has already broke off negotiations with George Mitchell after the release by UN after the findings of war crimes committed by Israel during their Cast Lead war 22 Days Of Death And Destruction in Gaza striking fears within the Jewish state’s leadership of their being brought before the International Criminal Court to faces charges.
Tzipi Livni who is a staunch ally of both the US and Russia and called Israel’s “last hope” has been informing Obama that Netanyahu is intent upon attack Iran risking Total Global war rather than having to face these pending war crime charges against them or give back Palestinian land. Russia has had it´s nukes on high alert ever since the Lebanese minister last year said to Russia that Israel was planning an anothe attck on Lebanese soil. Nethanyahu in return has threatened Kreml with a few mush room clouds if Russia had any intentions of intervension as Israel is prepared to drag everyone down if they go down.
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shitamachipride
I just want to add. I take no sides in this conflict. I think both are rotten, what suprises me is the lack of neutraility by Americans in general and right winged Europeans.
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HeyLars
You should read my post again. What I said was I don't think Israel will be attacked because her neighbors are not united and Israel kicked their butts around the block even when they were. Surely you realize Egypt is not going to get involved? And Egypt was the main threat in 67.
Yeah, I know Israel survived because of American support. But that support is no long needed in this capacity. That is what I see.
But...since you seem to think Israel is in immediate danger (by who?) I told why I don't care. That does not mean I prefer Israel be destroyed, not one bit, and that is very childish view for you to take. Fact is that all the people that emmigrated to Israel went there and caused one hell of a lot of trouble and death, and if they can't pull it together after 60 years I don't see why that should be America's problem to the tune of billions.
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HeyLars
Helter, the Six Day War was not about anyone trying to eliminate Israel. Israel threw the first punch, as far as I know, without declaring war. If that was Pearl Harbor, Israel played the part of Imperial Japan! But hey, any accommodation for your buddy right? It was a pre-emptive strike, cause that is how we white wash throwing the first punch.
And who cares if Jews could not enter East Jerusalem? Is that worth killing over? May as well visit a Cheyenne reservation dressed up like Custer anyway! Duh!
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