Clinton to end candidacy and announce she is supporting Obama for president

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Alphaape at 10:30 AM JST - 6th June

whitehawk

Second part is not to fabricate evidence to attack a virtually defenseless country. Iraq was allowed to keep a sizeable army after the first Iraq war. Part of the reason to keep Iran out of there. So for you to say that they are defenseless is a misstatement.

Third part is not to drag the country into a war based on lies. In regards to this, the UN had in place resolutions since the first Gulf War that a violation of any of them, would allow nations to use force against Iraq. In that time period, Iraq broke the various resolutions over 14 times. Based in intelligence that everyone had at the time, it was believed that they had WMD's.

There are a lot of things that get mis-reported on the war. I am not totally on the "Bush Bandwagon" and I admit he has made numerous mistakes. But I don't think Obama will be any better. I remeber 8 years ago, the talk was that Bush was too inexperienced to be President. Well, comparing the records of Obama and McCain, Obama is woefully inexperienced.

Also, if you know anything about American politics, Obama is coming from the Chicago democratic machine, one of the most corrupt political machines in the nation. Remember this, of two former governors of Illinois who were from this background, one is in prison for corruption charges, and the other is on his way.
Everton2 at 11:06 AM JST - 6th June

RomeoRamenII wrote:You may come from a country that has already bowed to your Islamic masters' feet,

That is the kind of Jurassic retort that gave rise to the arrogant and insensitive position that "if you are not with us you are against us". Now you are accusing Australians of being accommodative to terrorist and radical Islam. Why stop there? Why don't you extend your deranged pathology to include the idea of America attacking Australia, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Italy because their citizens may have a different view of how the world should be organized.
Everton2 at 12:25 PM JST - 6th June

WhiteHawk: I have looked well beyond the marketing and keenly examined the record of the last 8 yrs, and it revealed an administration that has failed on just about every front. It has made America a point of comical retort across the globe.

This notion about America being hated because it's there is patently paranoid. It is informed by a singular view that America's ideas somehow has preeminence over all others, and any opposition or dissent must be interpreted as anti-American. The rest of the world matters and so are its views. It matters because we have all been affected by America's leadership ineptitude for the last 8yrs, and for the sake of a better approach I suspect that the world is in every sense supporting an Obama's Presidency.

Whatever you may think of Obama he could do no worst than the current President. At least we know his platform is to end the war in Iraq, be more consultative with others in the world, reform a health care system (if you can call it that) that is morally bankrupt in its application.
Alphaape at 02:58 PM JST - 6th June

whitehawk, my comments were not directed towards you, but other posters. Gomen nasi.
Everton2 at 06:31 PM JST - 6th June

Alphaape- I wish all we had to contend with in relation to George Bush was his lack of experience.
Alphaape at 06:50 PM JST - 6th June

Everton, Bush may have had a lack of experience, but he was smart enough to surround himself with smart people. Like it or not, not all of the US's problems stem from Bush. The path to 9/11 was started well before Bush came into office. Just think about it, those guys had been in America a few years before the event happened. Bush was inagurated in Jan 2001. By that time, things were in motion that set those events to happen.

Could Bush have done a better job? I say yes. But, he is not alone. The UN, had over an 13 year period with Iraq constantly watch them violate the resolutions set against them and did nothing. Kofi Anan and his son profited from those sanctions as well as many others, namely from the Oil for Food program. Sure Bush pushed some of the contracts to his buddies, just the same as the Democrats. When Nancy Pelosi claimed that when the House and Senate became Dem majority, that they would start making swift changes in energy and the economy. What did they do? Nothing, about as effective as the "Contract with America" back in the 90's.

Obama has named a search comittee for his VP nominee. All ready, people are up in arms about that because one of the persons, Howard I believe is his name, was on President Clinton's pardon comittee that pardon Mark Rich, you know, the one whole scamed at least $100 million dollars from investors by selling "old oil" as "new oil" (basically a shell game) flew the country , renounced his US citizenship, but was offered a full presidental pardon by Clinton. Not paying for his crimes and the people who got screwed in his shady dealings get nothing. So, if Obama can name a person like that to a key position to search for a VP, then I surmise that if he wins, politics will go on as normal, with the only change being that the far left will have more access to the White House and will start to push their agenda, for the good of us "unenlightend masses."
cleo at 07:02 PM JST - 6th June

he was smart enough to surround himself with smart people

Pity he listened to the clots and vested interests instead. (Wot smart people? Anyone really smart would be smart enough to stay well away from the War Prezzidunce)
Alphaape at 11:18 PM JST - 6th June

cleo, well what does that make Obama. He is friends with a guy who tried to blow up the Pentagon and New York police officers. I am black, have gone to a black church all of my life, and never have any ministers in the pulpit denounced America. Sure they have talked about society in generals sinful ways, but never to the point where it was all America's fault. And these were guys who grew up in the midst of deep south jim crow times. And the rest of the people that claim to be Obama supporters.

So cleo, before you go calling "W" a Prezzidunce, please research and get your facts straight. As I have said many times, I am not a 100% Bush guy, and admit he is wrong on many occasions. But it takes more than a dummy to graduate from Yale. And if he is truly dumb, he did a good job of making a way for himself outside of his daddy's help.
Sarge at 11:28 PM JST - 6th June

Alpha - Who's the guy Obama's friends with who tried to blow up the Pentagon and NY cops?
cleo at 12:50 AM JST - 7th June

Alphaape -

I don't understand your question. What GWB did or did not do doesn't make Obama anything. Neither does anything that Obama does nor does not do make GWB any less of a Prezzidunce - George did that all by himself.

You're wasting your time asking me to defend Obama (if that's what you're doing). I don't support him. But whoever moves into the White House next January would have to work very, very hard to be as bad as Bush.
Sarge at 09:00 AM JST - 7th June

Cleo - You say you don't support Obama. But certainly you don't support McCain either, right? This is ( and it usually is, isn't it? ) a case of choosing the lesser of the two evils - pick one! ( your pick has to be Obama - he's the only major candidate who opposed the liberation of Iraq from the beginning )
cleo at 11:05 AM JST - 7th June

Sarge -

What would be the point of me picking either? It's not like I get to vote.

I'll be happy enough if whichever muppet that does become the next resident of the White House doesn't go around starting illegal wars and messing in the politics of other countries.
Alphaape at 01:10 PM JST - 7th June

cleo, I am curious, what world leader do you think is doing "a heck of a job" like Brownie after Katrina? I can probably gues but I leave that up to you to fill me in.

Sarge, the friend of Obama that was part of the Weather Underground is a man named Ayers, who is now a professor at a small college in Chicago, and he and Obama served together on many community activities in Chicago.

Like you, I believe this year is really a choice between the "lesser of two evils" for either Obama or McCain.

What many here don't get, yes Bush can push a lot of things, but it takes Congress to back him up. With the War Powers Act, the President only has a limited amount of time (90 days I think) to deploy troops in hostile combat without a declaration of war. But, Congress passed the Iraq resolution (both Dems and Rep.) and so there is a lot of blame to go around.
cleo at 01:21 PM JST - 7th June

Alphaape -

what world leader do you think is doing "a heck of a job" like Brownie after Katrina?

You mean 'a heck of a job like Brownie' as in making a total pig's ear of things? .....Where to start, the list is so long.....

As for which world leader is doing a 'heck of a job' in the true sense, ...let me see, there's....er......er......er........

...er....

I give up. You got me.

:-(
WhiteHawk at 03:51 AM JST - 10th June

Everton2, look beyond the past 8 years. Specifically, look at January 21, 1977 to January 19, 1980. Voting for Obama is voting to bring back that administration.

Ineptitude? Beyond your wildest fears...