Clinton salutes Obama as Democrats rip McCain at convention

Wednesday 27th August, 12:00 PM JST

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SezWho2 at 02:14 AM JST - 28th August

VOR,

Your wish is granted.

What you say about control has some truth to it, but you should remember if the executive and legislative get lined up, they will reflect the will of the American people. And the American people remain centrist.
KnightsTemplars at 02:17 AM JST - 28th August

adaydream; Obama went to Europe and was greeted with open arms by Communist leaders. He never once backed away from them, he never critised heir human rights record.

The only leader he was not so close and friendly with, was Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Brown would not endorse Obama, out of Loyalty to Bush and McCain.

Bush has no reponsibility for his grnadfather.He has served his country with distinction through a war.
DanManjt at 04:36 AM JST - 28th August

The Democrats are having a fine Convention thus far.

Day 1, Michelle Obama lets us know her husband is a regular guy. Check. Added plus: those two kids got their daddy about 4 million votes.

Day 2, Clinton backs Obama --> party unified under Obama's leadership Check Start McCain equals Mc Bush. Check

Tonight, Day 3

National Security. Here I bet the dems, as usual, punt.
WhiteHawk at 04:37 AM JST - 28th August

SezWho2, he increased federal regulation and taxation, promoted labor unions, nationalized the railroad industry (shades of Chavez), suppressed free speech during WWI, disparaged the rights of the individual, created the Committee on Public Information intimidation and propaganda machine, resurrected the Sedition Act, pushed the Espionage Act (which made it a crime to be critical of the draft), preceded Mussoulini and Hitler with the War Industries Board, promised blacks support for their issues then failed to deliver...

Is this enough?
adaydream at 05:23 AM JST - 28th August

Just because Obama met Communist leaders means nothing. Did he go and start some negotiation bewtween the US and their country? Did he start some crappy banter between nations? What did he do that was wrong? He met them and shook hands.

Did he beat his chest and wave his little fists chastising other countries? He wasn't there for that and it would have been inappropriate.

John McCain wants to keep the war mantra and the US is the greatest superpower macho crap. That's just what we need, anothner george bush. < :-)
WhiteHawk at 06:42 AM JST - 28th August

Hey, it happens. Some habits are tough to break, eh? ;)

But KT does have a point. Oabama will meet with anybody unconditionally... except John McCain, Fox News, and average American citizens.

That's just what we need, anothner george bush. < :-)

...and every other president except Nixon, Carter and Clinton.
SezWho2 at 12:20 PM JST - 28th August

WhiteHawk,

I don't think that is nearly enough. Wilson's Federal Reserve Board, for example, was basically a conservative plan put forward by Republicans. Wilson had to change aspects of the plan to satisfy the Cross of Gold folks in the Democratic party. I.e., he moved to the center.

Railroads were nationalized primarily because of the needs generated by World War 1 and because of widespread mismanagement by private carriers. This made it perilous to rely on them for the movement of troops, supplies and materiel. They were nationalized under an act of Congress and the nationalization was never intended to be permanent. This is as right-wing as it is left-wing.

We could discuss the other things you mentioned, but I doubt if I can overcome your determination to paint Wilson--who is usually described as a progressive, I believe--as a neo-Trotskyite. All Presidents have governed from the center. Perhaps you think Wilson leaned too much to the left, but that does not mean he did not govern from the center.

It's interesting to note that Wilson won a greater percentage of the popular vote in 1916 than he did in 1912, although Roosevelt (who is usually described as dividing the Republican vote) probably drained some percentage away from him. In addition it's interesting to note the states he did not win in 1916--among them Oregon, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and New York.
Taka313 at 06:57 PM JST - 28th August

Bill Clinton gave a speech in Denver that gave me goosebumps, just from reading it. Here are some pretty moving words:

Look at the example the republicans have set: American workers have given us consistently rising productivity. They've worked harder and produced more. What did they get in return? Declining wages, less than ¼ as many new jobs as in the previous eight years, smaller health care and pension benefits, rising poverty and the biggest increase in income inequality since the 1920s. American families by the millions are struggling with soaring health care costs and declining coverage. I will never forget the parents of children with autism and other severe conditions who told me on the campaign trail that they couldn't afford health care and couldn't qualify their kids for Medicaid unless they quit work or got a divorce. Are these the family values the republicans are so proud of? What about the military families pushed to the breaking point by unprecedented multiple deployments? What about the assault on science and the defense of torture? What about the war on unions and the unlimited favors for the well connected? What about Katrina and cronyism?

America can do better than that. And Barack Obama will.

But first we have to elect him.

BAM!

Now there was some truth for you.

Taka
Alinsky4prez at 07:07 PM JST - 28th August

It was a grand speech from Clinton. It makes you forget he was ever impeached! I always felt Clinton governed too much from the center. And Gore would have done the same thing really. But I believe america is ready for something different.
WhiteHawk at 01:25 AM JST - 29th August

SezWho2, I expected a better response from you than that.

This is as right-wing as it is left-wing.

No, right-wing hires contractors. Left-wing nationalizes. Doesn't matter if it was for war, or that it wasn't permanent (the next administration would've ended it anyway).

We could discuss the other things you mentioned

Well, one of us can.

Wilson governed from the left and made concessions to the center. It's documented history.
SezWho2 at 08:15 AM JST - 29th August

WhiteHawk,

Sorry to dash your expectations, old chap, but Wilson is a little bit off topic for this article.

Your statement that the the right-wing hires contractors and the left-wing nationalizes is a gross generalization that betrays your political prejudices. In point of fact, practical politicians will do whatever works at the time--as Lincoln observed when he suspended habeas corpus.

If it pleases you to conceive of Wilson as a "leftist", be my guest. He was a relatively popular President who was endorsed by the public. If you are willing to stipulate that the American public was, at that time, "leftist", then we will have no future problems.
Bilderberg666 at 08:19 AM JST - 29th August

I agree with WhiteHawk;

Obama will nationalise health care and any other private service he fencies. This will lead to unionising many services. The country will become like Europe, strikes all the time, zero economic growth and millions dragged into poverty.

Don`t believe me? Then vote for Obama, and see!!
SezWho2 at 08:30 AM JST - 29th August

Bilderberg666,

In other words, we'll continue in the direction we're heading?
Bilderberg666 at 08:36 AM JST - 29th August

SezWho2-

You cannot spin your way out of this argument.

The US economy is doing fine, it has been managed well, and is the only western nation with positive growth forcasted.

We have balmost removed terrorists from Iraq and Afghanistan, id say weve done mighty fine.

Obama has lost, Dems can rip into McCain as much as they like, but mny Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama. Which party is racist to minorities?
SezWho2 at 06:55 PM JST - 29th August

Bilderberg666,

I don't have to spin my way out of this argument. You don't have an argument. You have a fictional mantra.