3 dead, including gunman, in Oregon mall shooting

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    Ms. Alexander

    This is why I don't live in the states!

    I'm sure it's harder than I think but the states really need to do something about gun control!!!!!!

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    Hide Suzuki

    Another one ? No surprise there, random shooting seems like a weekly even in this trigger happy country

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    nandakandamanda

    Better chance of winning the lottery than meeting a gunman in a shopping mall.

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    smithinjapan

    "Witnesses described a scene of chaos and disbelief..."

    Chaos? I can understand. Disbelief?? in the US?? where this is a weekly occurence if not more frequent? The only thing hard to believe is that people find it hard to believe it could happen to them. What WOULD be a pleasant surprise, on the other hand, would be to not read about a gun massacre in the US for... let's say... a couple of months straight. But with the gun-nutter culture there that would be impossible.

    RIP to the victims.

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    Noliving

    I'm sure it's harder than I think but the states really need to do something about gun control!!!!!!

    Why? You are more likely to be killed by a drunk driver in the US than you are to be killed by a gun. You are more likely to fall to your death in the US than you are to be killed by a gun. Plus gun violence as a grand total is down more than 50% in the past 20 years.

    What WOULD be a pleasant surprise, on the other hand, would be to not read about a gun massacre in the US for.

    Well considering you haven't read any article in the past two months (October and November) on JapanToday about a gun massacre in the US you got your wish.

    where this is a weekly occurrence if not more frequent?

    That is a weekly occurrence in pretty much all developed nations including Canada......

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    SuperLib

    smithinjapan: Chaos? I can understand. Disbelief?? in the US?? where this is a weekly occurence if not more frequent? The only thing hard to believe is that people find it hard to believe it could happen to them. What WOULD be a pleasant surprise, on the other hand, would be to not read about a gun massacre in the US for... let's say... a couple of months straight. But with the gun-nutter culture there that would be impossible.

    The anti-gun contingency from the US thanks you for the collateral damage.

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    smithinjapan

    Noliving: "Why? You are more likely to be killed by a drunk driver in the US than you are to be killed by a gun."

    Ah, so you should have BOTH!

    "You are more likely to fall to your death in the US than you are to be killed by a gun."

    Guess what, this holds true for any other nation on the planet as well, save perhaps war-zones, but said nations (again war-zones exempt) don't have the thousands of gun deaths per year to add to the toll.

    "That is a weekly occurrence in pretty much all developed nations including Canada......"

    Now THERE's a laugh!

    SuperLib: "The anti-gun contingency from the US thanks you for the collateral damage."

    Thank the people doing the shooting, if you're going to thank someone for targeted and collateral damage. You can just thank me for pointing out how crazy American culture is when it comes to guns.

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    SuperLib

    smithinjapan: You can just thank me for pointing out how crazy American culture is when it comes to guns.

    I've nothing to thank you for. I happen to be very anti-gun, which you know. People like you muddy the debate with your outrageous statements. You are just here to criticize and insult Americans, even the ones who agree with your stance on guns.

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    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    " The attacker appeared to be a teenager wearing camouflage and a mask…and took his own life." according to other sources.

    The anti-gun lobbyists should note the laws already prohibit minors from owning guns.

  • 2

    Elbuda Mexicano

    I know it's sounds crazy but how about metal detectors at all mall entrances?? You know some idiot fool comes armed to the teeth you find their weapons, shoot them dead right there on the spot and avoid all of these bloody messes inside of our fine stores?? RIP victims of the NRA and all the other idiot fools who say that guns don't kill, that only people can kill other people???

  • 1

    missray

    Why? You are more likely to be killed by a drunk driver in the US than you are to be killed by a gun. You are more likely to fall to your death in the US than you are to be killed by a gun.

    True, but I'm more likely to be shot by a gun in the States than in many other developed countries. When I was living in the States, there were a few gun-related crimes which hit quite close to home (one where a teacher was shot by a student in my high school and another where a former co-worker was mugged at gunpoint, and another where a friend was carjacked). Yes, (knock on wood) nothing gun-related happened to me, but pretty much everyone I know knows someone who has been a victim of some gun-related crime in the States. And let's not forget stories where innocent kids get killed in accidental gun deaths as in the story below:

    http://news.yahoo.com/police-boy-7-shot-death-pa-gun-store-200049283.html

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    Noliving

    Ah, so you should have BOTH!

    Well considering both are on a downward trend and they are so low that you will most likely never ever be affected by it in your life.....

    Guess what, this holds true for any other nation on the planet as well, save perhaps war-zones, but said nations (again war-zones exempt) don't have the thousands of gun deaths per year to add to the toll.

    Yes it does hold true for any other nation on the planet. The point being is that you are way over hyping gun violence in the US. Wow smith 9,000-10,000 and dropping each year out of a population of 300,000,000 million+ people and growing and out of that population there are at least 100,000,000+ million gun owners that own nearly 250,000,000+ firearms. That comes out to .00003% of the total US population is killed each year by guns. You are going to tell me that .00003% and dropping is massive problem that the nation must start being a lot more strict on? Over half a million people die each year due to heart attacks and rising. You don't think gun violence is a little hyped up by you?

    Now THERE's a laugh!

    Not really considering there is almost a weekly stabbing in Japan in which two or more people at attacked. Take for example Kimitaka Nakano he stabbed 6 people. Same with Canada. There was that mass shooting in Quebec by Richard Bain. There was the stabbing at Place des Arts in Montreal. You can find weekly stabbings in Canada that result in serious injuries or death. I guess I just don't see what is funny. Heck look at the UK and look at how bad the problem they are having knives and teenage boys.....

    I'm more likely to be shot by a gun in the States than in many other developed countries.

    That is true but then again how likely are you to be shot in the US? .00003% of the total US population is killed by guns each year. If you take all gun incidents: Homicide, Suicide, gun shot wounds with intent to kill or commit suicide, gun accidents that result in death or a wound you still have a .001% of being shot in the US. In other words you have a one tenth of one percent chance of being shot in the US in a year. In other words a negligible threat. I'm also willing to bet you are more likely to be hit by a drunk driver and or killed by a drunk driver in the US than in many other developed countries, especially considering the lack of public transportation.

    but pretty much everyone I know knows someone who has been a victim of some gun-related crime in the States

    So you only know three people? Sorry I just had to get that lame dig at you in here. :P

    And let's not forget stories where innocent kids get killed in accidental gun deaths as in the story below:

    The good news is that they make up less than 1000 killed, in fact I think it is even less than 900 accidental shooting deaths in the US. Oh you don't have to remind me of deadly accidental shootings, we just had an accidental deadly shooting here in the Minneapolis in Minnesota. 4 year old found his fathers gun and shot dead his 2 year old brother. The question now is going to be whether or not the father is going to be charged, it is illegal in Minnesota to store a loaded firearm within reach of children.

    RIP victims of the NRA and all the other idiot fools who say that guns don't kill, that only people can kill other people

    Oh please, how is the NRA responsible? What piece of legislation that was not passed would have prevented this Mexicano?

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    maglev101

    Better chance of winning the lottery than meeting a gunman in a shopping mall.

    if that's the case, then in japan, you have a better chance of winning the lottery 3 times in a row than meeting a gunman in a shopping mall.

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    globalwatcher

    SuperLibDec. 12, 2012 - 04:58PM JST

    smithinjapan: You can just thank me for pointing out how crazy American culture is when it comes to guns.

    I've nothing to thank you for. I happen to be very anti-gun, which you know. People like you muddy the debate with your outrageous statements. You are just here to criticize and insult Americans, even the ones who agree with your stance on guns.

    SuperLib, I believe smith has a great point. Sometime we just do not admit that we have a huge problem. Let's fix it. We need to tighten the law, so that the gun is not so easily accessible. We need a better screening process with a longer waiting period.

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    Noliving

    We need a better screening process with a longer waiting period.

    But waiting periods don't work. They never have worked and it is not a surprise why, people that snap don't go to a store and buy a weapon and then attack someone, they pretty much grab any weapon that is right next to them and then attack or they just use their body. Those that do buy a weapon before they attack almost always plan their attack for several months and are patient enough to wait out any waiting period. Take for example columbine or the aurora shootings, those were in the planning stages for months while they gathered weapons and ammo and other materials. A waiting period would not have worked because they were patient their attacks were not time critical to them. Take the shooter in this mall shooting how long do you think he had owned this gun? A day? Two days?

    Sometime we just do not admit that we have a huge problem. Let's fix it.

    But that is just it, is a .00003% chance of being a homicide victim of gun violence a huge problem? Is homicide by any means and or type of weapon which is not even in the top 15 causes of death in the US a huge problem? Is the fact that gun violence as a grand total has been cut in half and then combine that with the fact that you have a .001% chance of being a victim of any type of gun violence a huge problem?

    The truth of the matter is that gun violence and or the threat of gun violence is way over hyped in the US.

    More than 80% of gun violence according to the ATF and FBI is gang shootings and it is almost always motivated by drug sales/turf. In other words ending the drug war would have more impact in reducing violent crime in the US, especially gun crime, than any gun law ever would. Hopefully with states Washington and Colorado passing the legalization of recreational use of pot will we finally see action being done to end the drug war.

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    SuperLib

    globalwatcher: Let's fix it. We need to tighten the law, so that the gun is not so easily accessible. We need a better screening process with a longer waiting period.

    I'd go for the total ban. It will take a generation or two before it takes hold but our grandchildren will thank us for it. The stats about gun deaths are undeniable. Right now we are caught in the cycle that tells people we need more guns to protect ourselves from more guns.

    SuperLib, I believe smith has a great point. Sometime we just do not admit that we have a huge problem.

    Your point and smith's point are completely different in presentation. When you remove the anti-Americanism it's a much cleaner and productive conversation, and it's not a gift to the pro-gun lobby.

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    T-Mack

    Here comes the Rooster...Gun control......Screen the felon's, will you catch teenager's who know where they can obtain a gun from a licensed owner?...this Issue is never going to die...I belive in Peace, through supeior firepower, and I will never give up my gun's or my right's as a Native American, I hunt, I protect, i am, so keep rocking this issue in the Free World...!!!

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    Hide Suzuki

    "I belive in Peace, through supeior firepower, "

    LOL, it seems to be working very well in your country. I hardly hear any gun violence in America

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    T-Mack

    My country was taken from me, so I travel the world and live a full life now...I will not live on a reservation even though I own land there...Open your ears friend there is violence all over, as well as America...You seem to be wearing blinder's or just poking fun.?..if someone puts a gun in my face I want a bigger one to put back...that's all I'm saying...

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    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    T-mack, right on, brother!

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    nandakandamanda

    Better chance of winning the lottery than meeting a gunman in a shopping mall. Maglev101: "if that's the case, then in japan, you have a better chance of winning the lottery 3 times in a row than meeting a gunman in a shopping mall."

    Yes, I agree with you. I was just trying to balance the anti-Americanism I sensed in post #2. As to the Japanese lottery, I have bought year-end tickets, so this three-times idea of yours sounds doubly good. On the other hand I think you have a better chance of meeting a random slasher in the street in Tokyo than you do of winning the lottery here.

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    Hide Suzuki

    @nandakandamanda

    "the anti-Americanism I sensed in post #2. "

    you took it wrong. I am anti NRA, anti gun violence, and i'm anti trigger happy people. But again, I don't care that much as long as it stays in your country

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    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    For those following the story, the young man turned out to have been 22 and seemingly well-liked. However, the gun he used he had stolen the day before so he had already crossed the line into criminal territory at least the day before. Now the more important question is what led him to do those things? He must have had some deep personal issues, don't you think?

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    yabits

    Well considering you haven't read any article in the past two months (October and November) on JapanToday about a gun massacre in the US you got your wish.

    Got a feeling that's about to change real soon.

    That is a weekly occurrence in pretty much all developed nations including Canada....

    Oh yeah? When was that last time someone killed 20 kids in an elementary school in Canada?

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