Deepening Israeli assault on Hamas divides Arab world

Wednesday 07th January, 06:14 PM JST

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Good_Jorb at 01:01 AM JST - 8th January

I only side with truth and justice. I don't see either here anywhere.

One of the most rationale things written on all Isreal/Palastine threads. Saying one murderer is less of a murderer then the other and therefore the good guy is a slippery slope.
SezWho2 at 01:08 AM JST - 8th January

ptolemy,

Your first sentence supposed that all Hamas supporters would concede that Hamas started this. I answered that point. I cannot speak for all Hamas supporters, but I don't concede that Hamas "started" this. I don't believe that Hamas itself would concede that and they certainly must be their own supporters.

You now say that your point was that weak pretenders get wiped out by the strong. That may be true, but that depends on what you define as a pretender. Hezbollah is certainly weak in some sense compared to Israel, but in another sense it is quite strong and definitely no pretender. I'm not sure that Hamas has the same strength but I doubt that Israel is capable of wiping out Hamas.

Yes, Israel is showing it means business, but so what? That's a strategy that it has periodically employed for years and it's a strategy that has not worked.
ptolemy at 01:12 AM JST - 8th January

Points taken SezWho2, but Israel is defending their nation. I just hope people see this is part of fight against people who wish to force by death their death on other people. Listen to their own words.
adaydream at 02:02 AM JST - 8th January

It's a bitch that it took a war to be able to get supplies into Gaza. There have been so many gate/border closings and blockades that Gaza citizens are starving and dieing from lack of medicines.

(That's why they have to dig tunnells. To get in food, medicines and fuels.)

So Isreal kills through cross border attacks.

Hamas retaliates.

Isreal attacks and uses their U. S. paid armaments and kills many many Gazans/Hamas.

Finally after enough international pressure Isreal opens the borders to allow medicenes and fuels in. (Where was all the international pressure when the broders were closed before this attack by Isreal.)

I'd like to think that enough international pressure could be levied to force an agreement and peace keepers. On their own Isreal and Gaza will never be able to forge an agreement. It's going to take efforts by all; that includes the parties involved. < :-)
smithinjapan at 02:28 AM JST - 8th January

ptolemy: "Suuport terrorists all you like, if you want to chant the Koran and have your women forced into burkas thats your choice."

No offense, bud, but your argument sounds less like you are calling Hamas terrorists and more like you are accusing all Muslims of being so.

"Of course antisemitic, first world leftists would prefer Israel march quietly into the ovens and gas chambers like Sarko and the German dame want them to do. They have shown their true colors."

As with the Russia/Georgia comparison, you're weakening your own point again. In this case, I'm sorry to say for you, it's Israel who wishes Palestine to 'march off to the gas chambers', my friend. Being against the EXCESSIVE use of force by Israel does not in any way mean we believe the holocaust is fiction, or that we are anti-Semites or any of the garbage people with no logical defense desperately spew out (with their need to appeal to emotion).

My point is you really need to town down your rhetoric if you want to get people to listen to your arguments and take you seriously. Saying things like, "Go read the Koran; it's fine with me if you like terr'ists! Go ahead and gas some Jews!" doesn't win you any credibility, and only undermines the tone of any valid points you may have. As it is you are making some pretty gross and very untrue statements about people who simply want a cease-fire and don't support Israel's method of beating down Hamas. At the same time, though, that doesn't make them SUPPORTERS of Hamas by any means (some may be, but I don't think many).

As for the cease-fire, here's hoping it holds. Hamas better not be dumb enough to launch rockets while the gates are open for aid. They have a chance now for peace, and if they wanted to use Israel's aggression for political means -- I'm not suggesting it, I'm just saying if they did -- they would be wise not to have what public support they've gotten turn against them. Let's hope peace prevails!
rajakumar at 02:28 AM JST - 8th January

680 casualties on palestinian and 6 soldier casualties were israel citizen. Fighting getting less with less casualties, there is talks about ceasefires and 3 hours fighting breaks.

There also humanitarian aid zone also. There is partial troop withdrawal from Khan Yunis. It is time for all parties to get a new more peaceful deals for gaza civilian people
SezWho2 at 02:38 AM JST - 8th January

ptolemy,

Thank you for the reply. I agree that Israel is defending itself. And I agree that it has to do so. What I question is the way in which it does so.
YuriOtani at 02:42 AM JST - 8th January

The foes of Israel show their true colors. The Hamas wants all of the Jews dead. The following is a example of such http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477450,00.html
Helter_Skelter at 04:45 AM JST - 8th January

The Saudis...have implicitly blamed Hamas for the offensive, saying that the “massacre would not have happened if the Palestinian people were united behind one leadership.

Even the Saudis, who are Muslim Arabs, recognize Hamas is to blame for all of this. How come first-world leftists can't recognize it? Have they been so brainwashed by socialism and "Palestinian" propaganda?
adaydream at 04:54 AM JST - 8th January

4 of the 6 Isrealis killed were from friendly fire. < :-)
yasukuni at 06:25 AM JST - 8th January

Dear Superlib, re that comment of yours...

Israel has flown thousands of sorties and dropped thousands of rockets/bombs/mortars and they've successfully killed nearly....200 civilians? If that's their goal then they're probably the worst civilian killing machine in the history of the world. Just give them one terrorist with a bomb strapped to his belt and he'd be more "successful" than the entire Israeli army after nearly 2 weeks of "trying."

Could you please send that to every newspaper in the world. And email it to every person accusing Israel of genocide and even a "new holocaust".

And now for my message to the "men?" of Hamas. Stop attacking Israel and then hiding behind women and children.
LIBERTAS at 07:05 AM JST - 8th January

Israeli numbers on civilians killed in Gaza do not count males aged 15-55 who they consider to be military targets. So, double the numbers to 1,400 slaughtered in Gaza. 10 killed, most by friendly fire, in Israel. THIS is what divides the (whole?) Arab world, S L A U G T H E R of innocents.
grafton at 07:54 AM JST - 8th January

688575 at 07:53 PM JST - 7th January

“Israel has continued to stop the media from entering the zone.”

Egypt has a frontier with Gasa too & they have NOT stopped the media, have they?

“Israel have stopped doctors from entering Gaza to assist in the terrible shortage of medical staff.”

Hamas has stopped doctors & medical supplies entering Gasa from Egypt.

smithinjapan at 08:02 PM JST - 7th January “only this time Israel cannot go in again.”

Yes they can & this time who is going to be able to say they are wrong given that they can say they gave in to world pressure & got nothing in return. It’s just as likely.

YangYong at 08:43 PM JST - 7th January “it had been overwhelmingly inhabited by Arabs”

Putting the word “overwhelmingly” in the sentence doesn’t let you off mentioning that there were also Jews living there.

bimyou at 12:53 AM JST - 8th January “It would be funny though if Hamas fire rockets and hit the peace keepers.”

Hamas are so think they would probably kidnap the peace keepers.

Hamas are terrorists, that is the main point behind these rockets that seldom hit anything, they are terror weapons more so that killing weapons. They were also being used as an invitation to the Israelis to invade. A killing trap or a propaganda trap I’m not yet sure, but a trap. I suspect a propaganda trap given that Hamas has been hiding behind women & children. Dead children always get front page news coverage around the world. Channel 2 French TV even fell for showing dead children that were killed in an accidental explosion of a Hamas truck in 2005, which Hamas had told them the Israelis had just killed. So many seem to believe what they want to believe & nothing is going to change their thinking, if thinking is the right word, which I doubt.

Israel is a civilised country that is defending it self against savages & if those savages succeed against Israel you need ask yourselves who is next?
Helter_Skelter at 08:48 AM JST - 8th January

killed nearly....200 civilians?

That's about how many Muslim Arab civilians are killed by trampling during the Haj nearly every year. And no one even cares about this senseless killing. Why no outrage by the first-world leftists? At least the current Israeli military compaign has a purpose of eliminating Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists from continually launching rockets at civilian targets in Israel.
likeitis at 02:36 PM JST - 9th January

And no one even cares about this senseless killing.

Its not senseless killing. Those are accidental deaths, clearly, as they are mostly caused by untrained civilians stampeding and they chose to be there, clearly, because they traveled there.

No comparison to well trained soldiers shooting whatever moves in an area where the people not only live, but are not allowed to leave.

Believe me Helter, if you ever want to travel to a potentially fatal event, few here are going to complain.