Monday May 28, 2012

Despite arrest, Assange extradition faces hurdles

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    sf2k

    So the Americans will never get him because Assange's lawyers can claim that he might come to harm or that he can't get a fair trial. haha.

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    Badsey

    Still no charges? Being held in Sweden makes sense since they are a "classified" NATO country. -just because something is listed as "top secret" doesn't make it true however.

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    TimRussert

    His 15 minutes of fame are up.

    Time for Assange to face the music. He was so busy obsessing about America he forgot or never took notice that the governments of "progressive" nations like Sweden, in their own way, can be every bit as illiberal and totalitarian as he imagines the US to be.

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    GJDailleult

    he could be charged in U.S. court - for publishing troves of secret U.S. diplomatic cables and military documents.

    The only problem with that is that he hasn't published "troves" of documents. It is pretty clear that PR hacks like Lieberman and Palin have no idea what they are talking about and are not paying attention.

    Less than one percent of the documents have been published so far. The documents do not go up on the WikiLeaks website until after they have been gone over and written up by the newspapers the information has been shared with. Exactly how can the US can charge him with publishing the documents without charging the news organizations who published the information before WikiLeaks? Also, any action against Assange runs the risk that the password for the encrypted file containing all the documents will be released. Meaning that all the information will be out there without any editorial decisions to withhold information (.ie. that will get people killed) being made by the newspapers. Gee, that is a great idea!

    Otherwise, two more problems with this article. One is the offensive parroting of the word "rape" being used to discredit Assange, without putting in context that it is "rape" only in the unique Swedish definition of the word. Two, it ignores the real scandal here, that being that the US security complex was not secure. Robert Gates said every government in the world knows the US government leaks like a sieve. The Shell rep in Nigeria didn't want to talk because she thought the US government was leaky. It was common knowledge. All Assange did was direct the leaks he received to the media. Where all the other leaks went to you can make some good guesses, but seems most Americans would prefer to keep their heads in the sand about that.

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    skipthesong

    Exactly how can the US can charge him with publishing the documents without charging the news organizations who published the information before WikiLeaks?" There's no rule on US media outlets from publish secrets? So, its ok, for example, to announce a covert op? Just asking.

    We all should be checking our credit card purchases over the next few days. I'd hate to be billed for a helicopter or something

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    elbudamexicano

    I maybe paranoid, but I saw a tall white dude with grayish hair in Yotsuya today and looked just like this Assange guy!

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    SolidariTea

    I maybe paranoid, but I saw a tall white dude with grayish hair in Yotsuya today and looked just like this Assange guy!

    It was Bill Maher.

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    nandakandamanda

    OK let's try this again, without mentioning any remotely no-no words. People are saying bad things about Sweden's laws. But how many people here have considered that Sweden may be ahead of the world in this respect?

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    GJDailleult

    But how many people here have considered that Sweden may be ahead of the world in this respect?

    I have no problem with Sweden having such laws. I have a problem with the same word being used for different crimes. Not wearing a condom when you are with someone who you have a romantic relationship with is not the same crime as following a woman home from her work and holding her captive in her apartment.

    They are different crimes, so stop using the same word to describe them.

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    SuperLib

    GJDailleult: I have no problem with Sweden having such laws. I have a problem with the same word being used for different crimes. Not wearing a condom when you are with someone who you have a romantic relationship with is not the same crime as following a woman home from her work and holding her captive in her apartment.

    But you have the issue of sexual actions to a person who is sleeping, which is part of the charge. I know in California that is considered rape. Same if you have consensual sex with a girl while she is drunk. She can literally say the word "Yes" to sex but if she's drunk she can charge you with rape the next day. That might not be common, but touching sleeping women is. It all comes down to if the woman is actually aware of what is happening to her.

    You should read the LA Times. They have extensive converge of the leaks and the investigation. If you want to read about the charges he faces do a search for "Tales of flings at center of Assange case spotlight Sweden's unusual rape laws". Not a very flattering picture of Assange....looks like this all started with a one-night stand where the girl tracked him down at another girl's apartment later on. "On the train ride to her place, she said, Assange logged on to his computer and started reading about himself on Twitter. "He paid more attention to the computer than to her," the report said." heh

    Or just do a search for "Wikileaks" and you'll find a ton of articles about cables that have been released that haven't been mentioned on other sites. I'm talking about dozens and dozens of leaks that I haven't seen anywhere else.

    If you want a good laugh do a search for "INSIDE WASHINGTON: The US and Canada are close allies? Sh-h-h, don't tell anyone." it's a story talking about all of the cables that include absolutely useless information, like Canada sending a message to Obama saying they will always be allies, or cables showing that two different political parties in the UK don't like each other...heh.

    One other angle the LA Times has been writing about is how the leak could have happened. Mostly people are saying it's a result of information sharing after 9/11, and mostly people are saying that the end result will be a rollback of those policies. Information will be more compartmentalized again. One article said something to the effect that intelligences officers in Washington are collectively saying, "I told you so" to everyone else. CNN had a follow up article from a retired intelligence officer who shared the same point of view. That will start to come more into focus in the near future, I suspect.

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