Militants in Pakistan destroy nearly 150 NATO supply vehicles
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nandakandamanda
I feel really sorry for the guard who was shot, and for his poor family. If there is a Hell, I am sure the people who attacked the terminal will go there.
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some14some
Loss of Millions or Billions of US$...whose money?
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WilliB
Ah, Pakistan, our coveted ally.
We kuffar should get out of Afghanistan and all the other islamic hellholes and save our collective butt here at home, from encroaching Shariah.
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30061015
"... distract Pakistan from its role in helping the U.S. fight terrorism."
Pakistan is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't "help the US", but the country needs to wake up and understand that it is in a fight for its life. The consequences of doing nothing are in fact, too great. War with India maybe an unfortunate natural extension of the bloody fanaticism paralyzing the nation. This is the unintended consequence of war in Afghanistan displacing the malignancy across Pakistan's border. If they can launch such brazen can attacks with impunity, one has to wonder; How safe is the Pakistani nuclear arsenal? As you listening now NATO?
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bushlover
["Up to 75% of the supplies for Western forces in the landlocked country pass through Pakistan after being unloaded from ships at the Arabian sea port of Karachi."] I seriously doubt this. Maybe 75% of military aid to Pakistani troops.
["He said his terminal handled only trucks carrying military supplies for Afghanistan."] Great piece of misinformation. Chances are he doesn't know the real destination of cargo going through his port. Willing to bet this is NATO aid going to Pakistani Troops to fight against Militants on their side of the border.
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rajakumar
WilliB- I agree, EU/US should leave pakistan/NWFP-Fata/afghanistan. They can't because Karzai administration is still to dependant on foreign support as it is now.
Karzai administration should up their army and police numbers,their numbers is still few and they lack in ability. Compare this with north korea which is not rich but very much in order with millions in policing and army.
They the afghans must police/administer their state well and promote order/discipline/prosperity.
As it is now,it is free for all nations, to promote indiscipline/war misery.
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SezWho2
rajakumar,
I think the problem is that there aren't any Afghanis. There are Pashtun, and Tajik, and Hazara, and Uzbek and....
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rajakumar
SezWho2- I think the problem is very complex. Of cause ethnic divisions run deep. EU/US should help end the war/misery.
Taliban pashtuns will always want control over their territories. Afghans have never been united,that is why there constant conflicts and divisions along ethnic/tribal separations.
Hope presence of many nations help promote discpline/order/prosperity and end miseries. It is very long road to get peace there,wonder if all parties are patient/very careful to get there .
Afghanistan is one of the only few most troubled nations of world,which can do better but is held back by many separatists militancy based on ethnic divisions and old rivalries of past history.
Hazaras are in conflict with others,pashtun are in conflict with others/westerners/marxists, almosts all ethnics/tribes are in conflict and drug lords are in conflict too. If there is any nation that has problems,afghanistan/NWFP-FATA, seem to have it all .
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SezWho2
rajakumar,
Yes, the problem is complex. But to speak of Afghanis as though that is a well-defined term and to expect the "Afghanis" to bring order to what we consider to be "their state" is a problem in and of itself.
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WilliB
SezWho2:
Yes. And the idea of using Western forces to police a Shariah state with the hope that it will turn into a democracy is not only a "problem", it is so idiotic that words can hardly describe it.
Unless the West wakes up and recognizes that the problem is not one particular country here or there, but political islam, we are doomed.
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SezWho2
WilliB,
I don't think political Islam is any more a problem than political Judaism or political Christianity. But it certainly can be a problem when the politics are truculent.
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SuperLib
I think the US and the West tried the "hands off" approach to Afghanistan and that's when Al Queda used it as their person playground to plan attacks. We need to be engaged with Afghanistan/Pakistan, the question is what's the best way to do it.
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pointofview
Clean this place up. It
s nothing but a sesspool and the governments in these country are doing nothing to help. Get tough on these militants and dont worry about the global outcry for peace. People have been fighting there since day one and can`t get there s**t together no matter how much help is thrown there way..0
WilliB
Sezwho:
Oh really? Give us a rundown about the latest string of bombings, beheadings, death threats, etc. carried out in the name of political Judaism or political Christianity. For that matter, what is the Hebrow or Latin word "jihad"? Or "kuffar"? Or "Sharia"? Islamic concepts, all of them.
Like Smith, you would be well advised to do your homework first.
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SezWho2
WilliB,
Very dismissive in tone. You don't demonstrate that you are willing to understand or even to give another idea a decent hearing.
Political Judaism is primarily responsible for the mess in the Middle East. The Jewish cause has been reinforced by Western nations, which are predominantly Christian. If you don't think political Christianity is at work in this, that's fine. But when the President of the US envisions himself as doing God's work in undertaking to sort out problems through bombs and belligerence, I think you have a tough case to make.
Good grief. The Holy Roman Empire begat the Western civilization which has colonized the globe and created such a power imbalance in the first place. There is no need for the words you mention. The Jesuits were enough. Political Christianity created the powerful nation states which have been fighting over the world's spoils. Now the world is fighting back.
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SuperLib
Rolling my eyes...
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SezWho2
SuperLib,
You know that rolling your eyes does not constitute a refutation, don't you? I'm sure you have a counter-thesis. But do you have the courage to expose your thinking?
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SezWho2
TooFarGone,
You're guessing wrong. But since you haven't given any reasons for your guess, I'm at somewhat of a loss to point out where you went wrong.
Identifying a problem does not solve it. It can, however, help. Very seldom does ignoring the source of a problem produce good results.
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WilliB
Sezwho:
That is islamist point of view, yes. Israel, aka "the Zionist entity" must be destroyed. Ironically, the "Zionist entity" is the only place in the Middle East, where modern values such as free speech and human rights (including the rights of the residend muslim Arabs) are observed.
Only if by "The World" you mean the muslim world, and even there only the islamist fringe. Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Taoists, Shintoists, or for that matter moderate muslims (those who we should support) are not on a jihad against modern civilization.
To see Bin Ladins argument made here at JT is a sight to behold...
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HaroldSteptoe
WilliB- Oh yes Israel is the only country with nukes in Mid East and steals its neighbours land daily. Militant thugs have a lot in common with them.Gawd, I would consider the militants in Pakistan less of a threat to world peace though.
The Muslims have suffered for decades.
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sailwind
I'll pass that on to Mumbai India.
Yes, OPEC has been in the poor house for years.
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SezWho2
WilliB,
That political Judaism was the seed of international trouble in the Middle East is not an Islamist point of view. It is my point of view. However, I do not think that Israel must be destroyed. Neither do many Muslims.
It is not just the "Islamist fringe", as you call it, that is fighting back. (Nor would it even be accurate to describe Muslims as the only people on the planet who fight with terrorist tactics.) Other countries are fighting back in other ways--a leftist movement in South America, an economic assault from India and China, a religious conflict of our choosing in the Middle East.
You seem to see this as Bin Laden's argument. I think you are mistaken. I think I am just pointing out the folly of expecting 5/6 of the world's population to forever be content with a system devised by men in knee britches and powdered wigs.
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nandakandamanda
Militants, terrorists or fighters?
Poor old Pakistan. They just wanted to have an Islamic state, but no-one could be satisfied, and look how it is now. A rabbit warren of factions, tribes, home-grown and foreign, all with different agendas. Everyone telling them what to do, or even worse, threatening them and their families. Pakistan needs four armies, one to guard the NW frontier, one to guard the borber with Afghanistan, one to be ready for an Indian attack, and one to guard against the internal terrorist/fighter/militant lot. I bet people are wishing they hadn't pushed Musharraf out so hastily.
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adaydream
I couldn't believe the pictures of the equipment that was destroyed. When we could have been fighting the war we went into in Afghanistan, we were off starting a needless war in Iraq.
When we went into Afghanistan and could have been stopping the Taliban and Al-Quaeda, we were off starting a vigilanty war in Iraq.
When we had started to push the Taliban out of Afghanistan we went into Iraq to murder with our Shock and Aw.
Looks like when we could have been fighting the Taliban, we were off destroying the nation og Iraq.
We could have been in and out of Afghanistan by now. Now we have 2 wars to get out of. < :-)
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WilliB
Sezwho
So you see fundamentalist islam as a sort of freedom movement be the oppressed masses against the rich Westerners and Jews. That is a typical extreme leftist view, and it is very convenient for Bin Ladin et al. But make no mistake: When islamists are in power, they make short work of leftists, just as any other non-jihadists ideology. For them, the only things that counts as Sharia, and there is no place for stinking atheists such as communists.
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