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smithinjapan
Whoawhoawhoa..... hang on a second.... McSame linked OBAMA to big oil and profits??? HAHAHAHAHA!! Wow... even the Republican desperation is getting desperate.
I have to admit one thing... I feel a bit 'odd' saying Republican in this sort of sentence... you don't all deserve to be grouped with McCain/Palin and their sinking ship. Hell, many in the GOP and a whole lot more in the party itself have voted for or are going to vote for Obama (from the horse's mouth, people), making it clear that McCain has gone WAY to far Right, etc. I almost feel bad for Republicans... almost.
Anyway, it seems to me that McCain/Palin are spending ZERO time talking about the issues that are affecting people and spending 100% of their time trying to bring up tired old issues about Obama's past. Obama, on the other hand, is choosing his new cabinet and talking about how he's going to affect change. The former are done for and cannot stop trying to smear, the latter is trying to fix the economy and talk about security, etc., only to stop for a second here and there with a genius retort to the McCain/Palin duo, like, "We are not going to be lectured by a man invloved in one of the biggest politcal scandals in recent history (Keating)". Of course, McCain/Palin never have any proof of anything they claim, nor can they defend themselves against Obama's retorts, they simply say, "Well... guffaw it's not up to us to prove our assertions and accusations chortle it's up to 'that guy' to prove what we make up -- errr... what we say -- is incorrect".
Losers.
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Betzee
Imagine my surprise when I read this on the Huffington Post: "The most cringe-worthy political moment of the day, so far, came when Sen. John McCain called out for his new buddy Joe the Plumber to stand up at a rally in Ohio, only to be greeted with confused silence. Joe the Plumber wasn't there."
What???? Where the hell was he? I guess he's got better things to do like line up a country western CD deal, or the book he's peddling, or perhaps a run for Congress as he's said publicly. That's right, JTP's horizons have expanded far beyond owning a puny plumbing business and, with all these possibilities, he has no time to field policy questions for McCain. Not good. Not good at all based on the aging Senator's past efforts in handling such questions alone. But then again, the campaign had to bus in school kids to fill the forum.
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SushiSake3
Economy reeling...heh, that's a fitting endnote to an administration that has become world-renowned for total and utter failure.
Hope someone in the Obama campaign reminds bush to shut the door on his way out when the Illinois senator takes office at the White House next Janauary.
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Altria
What about Ralph Nader? Is he seeking final votes too? Or does he have enough already?
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smithinjapan
"What???? Where the hell was he? I guess he's got better things to do like line up a country western CD deal, or the book he's peddling, or perhaps a run for Congress as he's said publicly. That's right, JTP's horizons have expanded far beyond owning a puny plumbing business and, with all these possibilities, he has no time to field policy questions for McCain."
Maybe he was just busy trying to actually become a real plumber by getting his license. Hehehe... in either case, thanks for filling us in on that. Wasn't aware of what how silly McCain made himself look yet AGAIN. My favourite amongst his stops this week was in Pennsylvania when he called the crowd 'gun-toting fools who fall back on the bible when nothing else works', or something to that extent, before he realized his script had told him to say the opposite!
Again, it's amazing just to see the difference in the crowds. How do people think this is even going to be close? You literally have hundreds of thousands a week going to see and cheer for Obama -- even in 'red' states -- and McCain would be lucky if he's gotten 10,000 this week... with some of those even being protestors!
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thundercat
I really feel bad for McCain. I have a lot of respect for the man and think that he has the countries best interests at heart. His time was 8 years ago when Bush lied, cheated and stole his way into the presidency. Now, McCain is guilty by association. He should have stood up to Bush in 2000 after all the disrespect... instead he towed the line and he ends up employing the same people who smeared him years ago. It's a shame because he would have made a much better president than Bush and the country would be in a lot better shape had he been in power for the last 8 years. Any repubs feeling sore about losing the presidency should look to Bush and his infamy for leaving them in such a sorry state.
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SezWho2
I think if McCain truly had the country's best interests at heart, he would not have run the kind of campaign that he has.
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Sarge
"the race was ( is ) Obama's to lose."
Just like Al Gore and John Kerry. And we know what happened to them.
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tclh
Poor old McCain he is speaking the language which the current generation has no hope to understand. OK, next president will be Obama.He is such a good talker and somehow I think he will talk to OBL as well instead of trying to kill him as he promised.Wait and see.
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smithinjapan
tclh: "He is such a good talker and somehow I think he will talk to OBL as well instead of trying to kill him as he promised."
Simply ignorant. Why do you think he'll talk to OBL? Because he can address a crowd and actually talk to people about what he plans to do, instead of simply slinging mud at his opponent (like McCain)? Is it because he wishes to try and talk to Iran and bring about peace instead of launching yet another failed venture into war (like with Iraq)? I'm sorry, but it seems you are merely venting your anger at the Obama win and cannot, as such, post about the topic objectively. Please do tell us how Obama being eloquent means he will reneg on a promise to find and/or kill OBL. I'm waiting, but I won't hold my breath.
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SushiSake3
Betzee - I'm shocked - Joe The Plimber didn't show up to McCain's rally when mccain called him out?
I mean, I thought mccain was going to annoint Joe as Secretary of State! :-)
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tclh
Smithinjapan,you should not wait because it is merely a thinking that if he is such a good talker(seriously ,no sarcasm here) ,can he "talk"(not directly ,behind the scene ofcourse) OBL to give up and surrender.It is just some kind of a bet ,that is all.
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timorborder
Looks like even Joe the Plumber cannot not save the leaking bucket that is McCain's campaign.
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USAFdude
Same thing that's gonna happen to McCain Tuesday night.
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realist
I used to be an Obama supporter, but what is happening these days n America is nothing short of scary. I dont just mean the economy - I mean the glorification of Barak Obama by the biased mass media. That rings alarm bells with me. I like Obama, and I would love to see him, or another Black American, as president, someday. However, the attacks on McCain and especially Sarah Palin, and the obscene amounts of money being spent on Obama`s election campaign, plus some of his speeches-like the one in Berlin, are scary stuff. At times he sounds like the Anti-Christ, coming to save the world and solve all the problems . . . I will watch the election with great interest, but also a degree of apprehension, next week.
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smithinjapan
tclh: It's a silly thought, even to fathom, and an even worse argument by extension. Obama doesn't want to TALK to OBL, he wants him caught or killed. That does not change the fact that Obama is a very excellent and eloquent speaker who has won people over world wide. I mean, hell, if he can't even win over his own country-people like sarge, how is he going to win over OBL? It's not a one-way street -- the listening party has to be at least receptive to what's being said. If it were as simple as you're making it out to be there would not be a SINGLE vote for John McCain at all; Obama would have magically won over even those with their eyes clamped shut and ears plugged tightly.
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Nippon5
Most con artist get what they want because they talk smooth.... I dont vote for someone because they talk smooth. I find most of the smooth talkers are just that all talk...
Barr was a better choice then these two guys...
Hell snoopy would be better then these two...
Im my many years Ive never been so turned off by politics as I am this year, Im afraid that people are looking so hard for change they are not looking at what that change is going to detail... I feel like its a three card monty or the shell game people are falling for...
4.5 days until this crap is over and we can start the down fall of a one party goverment.....
Unless of course Obama isnt elected then we will have a lame President because congress will make it so....
Sad day for American politics.....
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Sarge
Dude - We'll see.
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GJDailleult
Very good Nippon5. Con artists talk smooth therefore all smooth talkers are con artists. Let me add, men who are womanizers like woman therefore all men who like women are womanizers. Or wide receivers run fast therefore all fast runners must play wide receiver. Etc.etc.etc....... Now, is anybody going to get around to posting a legit, rational reason to vote for McCain and not for Obama, something more than just loyalty to the Republican brand. Only 4 days to go and I havn't seen one yet.
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dennis0bauer
Since when in the last 20 years has the election been about the issues? It has been a popularity contest, it is like running for prom queen
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Nippon5
I didnt generalize at all, but GJDaileult would like to make my statement that... I said Im not voting for anyone who is only a smooth talker... Obama hasnt offered anything that holds water, so why would I vote for him? (I already voted anyways and it wasnt for either of these two)..
I dont buy a car because its painted nice, I want to make sure it is mechanicaly perfect... Just like a president I want someone who has the skill set to do what is needed and for me Obama and McCain both dont have the needed skills and ideas to do the job.. Sorry GJD I dont need another god in my life with promises of salvation, I need a political leader who is going to go to the middle of the line and get what needs to get done, and these two dont have the stuff to do it....
I have a hard time believing a man with an almost one sided voting record is going to do the job properly, believe it or not the left and the right have some good ideas but neither side have them all by themselves...
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sailwind
Senator McCain has a proven track record with being to work across the aisle with Democrats. Senator McCain has a proven record of being agaisnt pork and congressional pork barrel spending.
How is that for starters?
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Madverts
"How is that for starters?"
Their campaign reeked of the last 8 years of bush co lies and scare-mongering. That's why they're trailing in the polls and why y'all need to prepare for President Obama.
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Nippon5
Madverts..
The question was what good reason... Sail listed two good reasons, why dont you do the same for Obama instead of just going negative....
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SezWho2
Two good reasons for voting for Obama:
(1) He is an excellent organizer. Community organizations aside, he has organized a campaign that defeated the presumptive Democratic candidate and did it convincingly. He has continued with a campaign that has put McCain playing catch-up. Comparing the two campaigns, there is nothing to prefer in McCain's.
(2) He made a wise vice-presidential choice. This is not to say that there might not be better candidates, but it is to say that his choice was solid and experienced. He has made excellent choices in his advisers. The presidency is more about the quality of one's advisers than about personal decision making.
(3) He has a good grasp of the economy, at least that's what more economists say, and he has a good sense of priorities for America. It is not the very high income earners that need protection. It is the people at the bottom of the economy. His plan for health coverage is a fundamental ingredient of his campaign and not an afterthought.
(4) People who do not get hung up on fear of doing something different, even when the same old thing is not working, actually want to follow his lead. The test of leadership is that people are actually following you....
Oops. Sorry. You only wanted two.
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Sarge
"Their ( McCain's ) campaign reeked of the last 8 years of bush co lies" blah blah blah
Adverts, is that the best you can come up with? That is pathetic.
"Two good reasons for voting for Obama"
Here's two good reasons ( of many ) for NOT voting for Obama:
He talks about caring for others, yet he can't see fit to take care of his half brother living in abject poverty in Kenya, and his aunt living in abject poverty im Boston.
He talks about giving tax cuts to 95% of Americans when most Americans will actually see their taxes go up when the Bush tax cuts expire.
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Nippon5
Sezwho..
Campaigns are not run nor orginized by the candidate---thats run by those he hires to do such things..
His choice for VP was good, but it was a direct oppisite to his campaign of change... Biden has more time in the goverment then McCain
He doesnt seem to have that good of a grasp on the economy, nor does anyone in Washington or else they would curve the spending, and they havent nor has he shown good economical sense in spending 5 million t air a 30 minute commercial, but thats just my opinion. Health care shouldnt be paid by the goverment it should be regulated, last thing we need is goverment controlling what and when I can get health care, but thats my Opinion..
In the end you buy which commercial looks better be it coke or pepsi McCain or Obama.... I picked water myself, cause the others will just rot your teeth and ruin your life...
:)
Mason was a good leader and had people who followed him blindly, that doesnt make him a good president...
Like I said before he has no experience, he doesnt practice what he preaches, and he is just a smooth talker and wont walk the walk, but those who are desperate for change will over look until its too late...
McCain isnt any better...
Thank you for at least trying to put reasons for voting for him..
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Betzee
The problem is, many Republicans see that as a form of "appeasement." Hence McCain backed away from his own immigration legislation, co-sponsored with Ted Kennedy. Yep, he voted against his own bill making it difficult to have faith in his leadership.
That's not going to balance the budget. As a self-professed conservative asked, what does the Republican Party stand for these days:
Under Bush's leadership, the national debt went from $5 trillion in 2001 to $10.5 trillion today. The doubling of our debt has had a devastating effect on our economy and our currency is quickly becoming worthless. Always happy to spend more money, rather than raising taxes Bush simply goes to China or Japan and borrows more. That kind of irresponsible behavior has brought this nation to the brink of a depression and destroys any notion of fiscal conservatism, once a trademark of the Republican Party....
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sailwind
Betzee!
I'm impresseed, you managed to say he doesn't work with Democrats after all, and threw Bush as an added tie in! You go girl.
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SezWho2
Nippon5,
Countries are not run nor organized by the president--they are run by him in concert with the people he retains to advise him. Campaigns are the same.
Biden having more time in government than McCain does not imply the opposite of change--and certainly not the direct opposite. Change can be accomplished but it will not be accomplished discontinuously. Biden is the point of continuity.
Yes, it is your opinion that he does not show good sense in spending $5M to air a 30 minute commercial. His contributors gave him this money to do precisely this kind of thing. His contributors expect him to campaign vigorously and hard and they have funded him for that purpose. What do you think he should have done with the money?
As for the economy, I note that it is your opinion that spending should be curbed and that anyone who does not agree with that does not know very much about the economy. That means there are a lot of economists who do not know much about the economy--quite possibly true, but a tough sell. My opinion is that spending needs to be curbed but not necessarily now.
Mason who? Having people follow you blindly does not make you a good leader. But having no one follow you makes you a poor one.
Practicing what he preaches? Examples please. This is a charge that can be levied against almost every human being who has ever walked the face of the earth. This is a fairly bogus claim against a politician. We vote for people to work for us and then complain when they don't respond to changing conditions. We probably have a right to complain if our politicians abandon core principles. How has Obama done that.
Obama is hardly a smooth talker. He speaks clearly and he speaks well but he devolves into the professorial at times. Bill Clinton was a smooth talker. Bill Clinton was also effective and would have been more so absent 6 years of Republican hounding. To say that Obama is a smooth talker is simply to pejorate him without reason.
I don't think I tried to give reasons. I think I gave them.
You need refutations?
McCain's proven record of reaching across the aisle and working with Democrats? Yes, the Keating Scandal. He reached right across the aisle and into the pockets of those bankrupted by Keating.
McCain's proven record of opposing "pork"? Sounds good but means nothing. The "pork" in the federal budget is relatively inconsequential as a percentage. And some of it may serve a useful purpose. Bridges can be important if the don't lead to nowhere. Some of it may be spent better elsewhere. It's a conservative hot button. But it's a silly one.
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Betzee
He's never explained how he's gonna accomplish it anyway. Not sign any spending bill with embedded earmarks? That's going to be really effective. As his efforts to "solve" the bail-out package impasse demonstrated, the maverick Senator has little sway with members of his party never mind Democrats.
It's unlikely Asian central banks will care to underwrite a US foreign policy of "belligerent confrontationalism." The Chinese may pull the plug within the year on buying Uncle Sam's debt and then our economy is really going to be in bad shape. McCain has few ideas on how to address our current woes, I can't imagine him coping with worse ones.
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adaydream
I understand by one popular cable news channel that McCain's camp is already starting to be blame Sarah Palin fopr losing the presidency for John McCain. < :-)
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zurcronium
2012 its going to be palin and the plumer for president.
But they will be running on the Alaska Independent Party as the repub party will most likely be destroyed by then. Way to go Bush-destroyed the military, the economy and then your own party. We liberals salute you!!
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ImperiumMundi
economy reeling.
this video interview with an obama supporter features a woman who thinks obama is going to pay her mortgage. and put gas in her car. and btw, she is "poor."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ikOxi9yYk
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