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Egypt Brotherhood says it won't impose Islamic values

World Dec. 04, 2011 - 06:00AM JST ( 19 )

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TriumvereDec. 04, 2011 - 07:18AM JST

Interestingly, we may see an aliance between the Muslim Brotherhood (~30%) and the liberals (~20%) against the Salafists (~20%). (Numbers based on current projections.)
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Bebert61Dec. 04, 2011 - 09:06AM JST

This is the first round of voting and it covers many of the liberal and Christian regions. Later rounds of voting in the rural backwaters will see an even greater shift of votes toward the islamic parties. By the end of the voting, you can expect the liberals to have about as much electoral representation as the whites do in today's New South Africa. The difference is the Egyptian military is still intact and secular. This conflict is not over and mob democracy is not guaranteed.
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WilliBDec. 04, 2011 - 12:28PM JST

Muslim Brotherhood are Salafis too. The only difference is one of strategy. The Muslim Brotherhood wears suits and talks smooth, and smartly uses the political system to work behind the scenes. In the end, they both want to re-create the "perfect state" of Mohammeds single rule in Medina.

Does Obama feel proud yet about his "democratic" success in Egypt?
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FoxieDec. 04, 2011 - 12:35PM JST

Glad to see that the Muslim Brotherhood won. They will lead Egypt into a new prosperous future.
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DSDec. 04, 2011 - 04:03PM JST

"Moderate and fair" apply to the Muslim Brotherhood about as well as "Fair and Balanced" apply to Fox News. They need to be exterminated.
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unreconstructedDec. 04, 2011 - 04:40PM JST

Obama lost Egypt.
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MadvertsDec. 04, 2011 - 06:50PM JST

willi,

"Does Obama feel proud yet about his "democratic" success in Egypt?"

Obama? He encouraged the Egyptian's to revolt against thirty years of autocratic rule?

I remember back in the day when you at least tried to make your conspiracy theories credible.

You and old friend might not like the results of the elections, but the facts are the first elections have just been held in Egypt, and the people have spoken.

Blaming Obama (WTF?), or breathless and paranoid snipets, usually quoted out of context from the Koran aren't going to change this.
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ExportExpertDec. 04, 2011 - 07:13PM JST

Get rid of religion from politics, the two should never be mixed to rule the masses.
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unreconstructedDec. 04, 2011 - 07:26PM JST

Get rid of religion from politics, the two should never be mixed to rule the masses.

Someone doesn't know much about Mohammedism.
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MadvertsDec. 04, 2011 - 07:30PM JST

"Someone doesn't know much about Mohammedism."

Or bible thumping US conservatives for that matter.

I agree ExportExpert. Thankfully I live in a country enlightened to the menace of religion in State.
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DSDec. 04, 2011 - 08:30PM JST

The difference, Madverts, is that very very few bible-thumpers want to return the USA to a state ruled by the laws of Leviticus. None, actually. The comparison is ludicrous.
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MadvertsDec. 04, 2011 - 08:45PM JST

"The comparison is ludicrous"

Nor does every Muslim want to live in the stoneage as willi or Unregistered would have you believe.

If you're attempting to say the US is by any means laïc, or that it has no bearings in a US election for example, then that truly is ludicrous.

Egypt has something like a 80% muslim population. Anyone thinking that Islamic parties, especially after being banned for thirty years, would not come out well in a muslim country should stop smashing those two remaining brain cells together.....they will never get a spark.
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SerranoDec. 04, 2011 - 10:41PM JST

"promoting Islamic law"

How about if the Muslims confine themselves to their beliefs and leave everyone else alone?
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DSDec. 04, 2011 - 11:45PM JST

Didnt say that Madvert, stop making strawman arguments.

When you see the Christian Brotherhood getting a third of votes in the US, then you have something to argue about. Until then, the supremacy of secular politics and social values is still supreme.

Serrano, that would be nice. Unfortunately, Islam as a political/social force would not allow it.
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HonestDictatorDec. 05, 2011 - 03:45AM JST

Completely with Export and Madverts on this. Any party that has to lead with a banner of religious "ideology" at the helm to run the country is definitely not going to uphold anything but their own religious ideals. Without secularism there is no religous freedom in Egypt. DS does have a point. While many politicians may claim their Christian in the US you'd be surprised how many are "practicing" Christians. At least I can go and say w/e I want without being locked up or being mobbed by a bunch of religious fanatics and having a government that would stand by (if not support and encourage them) and do nothing which is what happens in Egypt and many Islamic government ran countries. Hell, even muslim women can't get justice when something wrong happens to them.
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MadvertsDec. 05, 2011 - 10:41PM JST

"Didnt say that Madvert, stop making strawman arguments."

Where's the strawman exactly?

I imagine the comment that has you riled is the one directed to our old friend up there muttering about "Mohammedism." And besides, the comment had the desired effect as it scampered off once again.

"When you see the Christian Brotherhood getting a third of votes in the US, then you have something to argue about. Until then, the supremacy of secular politics and social values is still supreme."

What Christian Brotherhood? Again, if you think the US is laïc or that you think that Christianity has no premordial bearing on a US presidential election then you are living in la-la land. My point is valid, even though the two countries are clearly incomparable.

Come visit France and you'll see the glorious seperation of church and state. Religion is treated how it should be, like a sex fetish. Indoors or in designated areas, and don't push it on others.
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MadvertsDec. 05, 2011 - 10:43PM JST

serano,

"How about if the Muslims confine themselves to their beliefs and leave everyone else alone?"

When you start lobbying the Jesus freaks or those annoying Jehova's in your own country then I'll retract calling your claim hypocritical. Here, I'll rephrase it for you:

"How about if the Religious of all walks of life confine themselves to their beliefs and leave everyone else alone?"

Bingo....
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HonestDictatorDec. 06, 2011 - 04:48AM JST

@Madverts I understand where you're coming from, but the "freedom of speech/expression" would be violated. It does not state however that you have to sit there and listen to what they're saying though right? You are free to turn them away, protest or debate against them, or my favorite method, the right "shut the hell up, and leave me out of your glory hole" or "Get the hell off my lawn" expressions hehe. Coercian is when they threaten you, and that you can take them to court for violating your rights for freedom of religion etc.
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SerranoDec. 06, 2011 - 06:20AM JST

Madverts... how about retracting calling my claim hypocritical right now?
I have nothing to do with the "Jesus freaks" or the "annoying Jehova's."
And they are not in a position to force everyone in my country to impose their beliefs on everyone else.

I do, however, agree with your "How about if the Religious of all walks of life confine themselves to their beliefs and leave everyone else alone?"